Lowly 103 pump

[MMiller]

C'mon guys... ... this is the first gen forum on the TDR, not the Ford Powerjoke 6. 0 forum





Michael

 

[rumblefish]

Is it me, or is there way too many of these in this thread???

 

[TWorline]

Is it me, or is there way too many of these in this thread???

No, mine was like this ... Stomp, both you and BGilbert have done something noteworthy, namely you have produced alot of horsepower and torque out of a small diesel motor. Such horsepower and torque was only dreamed about 25 years ago in the big truck circles and now you have it in a 3/4 ton pickup (the Freightliner I currently drive is only 465hp on cruise!). My hat is off to the both of you and to all the rest of the members of this great forum who enjoy squeezing every last horsepower they can afford out of these great little motors.

 

[bgilbert]

Hehehehe

Wow, I wasn't even trying to push his buttons.

How do you know it makes 7* of extra timing???

I read it in the good book, Snapperhead.

You will never know what pumps/parts it takes to make big HP.

Same as you LOL. Mr. Big Money, come on out to a real National diesel/dyno event here in Indiana and show us low HP Midwesterners how to make that big bad west coast HP.

And what is this drive 100 miles to gain 100hp on another dyno??

Just trying to take after you, my hero, since we all know how you've make big HP gains.



Moderator, please take down the 500hp 'broken' sticky, let it go, Stomp is a phony and he's definately not acting like a true blue 1st gen TDR member should and does.

 

[JLEONARD]

Man you guys are really funny!! This is great. Let's do some shots and beers and talk some more.

come on out to a real National diesel/dyno event here in Indiana and show us low HP Midwesterners how to make that big bad west coast HP

Hey... . I have the reigning low hp numbers... . don't try to take my crown away. :-laf :-laf



We now return to our story... ... .

 

[Greenleaf]

I'm still confused as to what a 103 pump is. I have been looking but don't see any in my pump book... ... . hummmmm... ...



Mr. Miller's ain't a 103 pump. I don't know what Bill wants with his. I dun took it apart and din't see anything special in there... ... .



If either of you guys drove a Ford Ranger 4-cyl for eleven years like I have, you'd be happy with 200 hp. LOL Seriously... ... ... ..... you would.

 

[bgilbert]

I'm still confused as to what a 103 pump is. I have been looking but don't see any in my pump book... ... . hummmmm... ...



Mr. Miller's ain't a 103 pump. I don't know what Bill wants with his. I dun took it apart and din't see anything special in there... ... .

Scott, I don't know what the deal with the 103 pump is either. But that is what pump I have. Reason I said I want Michael's is, it's clean and shiney inside. . much nicer than my VE's I have around the house.

 

[Stomp]

Wow, I wasn't even trying to push his buttons.

I read it in the good book, Snapperhead.

Look guys Hooked on Phonics worked for Bill. Keep reading Bill maybe you will learn how to make HP. If you actually did do some R&D you will learn that you wont actually make 7* of extra timing. I didn't know you were religious Bill.

Same as you LOL. Mr. Big Money, come on out to a real National diesel/dyno event here in Indiana and show us low HP Midwesterners how to make that big bad west coast HP.

Wait a second I thought you were going to drive to May Maddness and kick my butt on the dyno. What are you scared??? If I drive back there it would be a short trip so you can go home and cry to MOMMY when you loose. I don’t think I will be making that trip anytime soon, but if I do I will let you know.

Just trying to take after you, my hero, since we all know how you've make big HP gains.

How cute I have my very own CHEERLEADER!!!!! I didnt know you liked to swing that way. I not into that kind of stuff... Sorry to burst your bubble.

Moderator, please take down the 500hp 'broken' sticky, let it go, Stomp is a phony and he's definitely not acting like a true blue 1st gen TDR member should and does.

Pastor Bob put that there for a reason and I don’t think you will convince him to take it down. He knows what I have been through to get those numbers. He was actually standing there when I got some of them. I think if he knew what was going on here in the First Gen forum he would take his stick and give you a few whacks.



Don’t think I didn’t notice Stomp461 in the other thread. Oh and one more thing why don’t you try and use spell check every once in a while. Don’t worry Bill I corrected it already.

 

[BPonci]

You guys are toooooooooooo much!

 

[Stomp]

The last pump that I built was a 060. I just used the case and some of the parts on the inside. I didn’t want the 9mm head/rotor that came with the pump. I also didn’t want the cam and a couple of other parts. They wouldn't work so well for our application. You can use most any 6cyl ve pump case to build a pump. You can make it a non intercooled pump or an intercooled pump it doesn’t matter.



Stomp

 

[Greenleaf]

Stomp,



A member recently e-mailed me a notification of a gen-set 6cyl pump 060 for sale on E-bay. Wanted to know why the add mentioned not for a diesel pick-up when it LOOKS the same. In short, I told him the very same thing you just mentioned. It's "buy it now" for 299. 00 and basically told him it would be up to him if he wanted to spend the money.



I know that PDR will charge you 400. 00 alone for the pump's AFC assy.



E-Bay ref # 130042370560

 

[Niki]

I know you guys are trying to accomplish something w/ the ve's that hasn't been done before, but how much do you think you're leaving on the table by not running a P pump? Has anyone ever done a back to back test like that?

 

[dpuckett]

P-pumps are known for putting out more fuel than can be burned in our trucks, regardless of the size and number of turbos- nothing to prove there. I think the point of the VE high HP race is to see what can be done with the lowly VE pump, which 6 years ago, wasnt even thought capable of fuelling for 300RWHP- much less 600- without extreme detirment to longevity. We have come a long way.



As for the Stomp vs bgilbert- I think they both need to grow up. Bill is trying to do stuff on the cheap, which is right in line with the way many of us live. I applaud him for his accomplishments in that regard- it allows those of us who have maybe made some foolish choices to not be stuck with stock power, or paying $5K to get decent power. However, on the cheap can never compete with hard work and top notch parts and knowledge, of which Stomp seems to have an ample supply. He seems to have his priorities in line for his wants desires, and moves to keep his finances in check to allow him what he wants. Kudos to him.



I do think Bill seems to be pushing his butons- jealousy, perhaps? Who knows or cares. I do have to agree with Stomp, (though Bill is a good friend of mine) until you have the dyno sheet to prove otherwise, you arent the "TOP DOG 1ST GENNER. " Not with a 150hp shortfall. And, since IN and CA are both under 3500ft, there shouldnt be too much variation in dyno output. GRanted, different dynos will result in different numbers. I do believe from the video I saw that there is potential for more HP in Bill's pickup, but we all know what potential in itself is worth- zip, zero, zilch.



Daniel

 

[Stomp]

Daniel-You’re a gentleman and a scholar. I did say in my origianl post that if he would go back and edit me out of his posts I would delete mine. Then I look in another post and he wants to start it all over again. Oh well I have to give you props for trying to keep the peace.



Scott- I sent you a PM.



Stomp

 

[bgilbert]

R&D

The last pump that I built was a 060. I just used the case and some of the parts on the inside. I didn’t want the 9mm head/rotor that came with the pump. I also didn’t want the cam and a couple of other parts. They wouldn't work so well for our application. You can use most any 6cyl ve pump case to build a pump. You can make it a non intercooled pump or an intercooled pump it doesn’t matter.



Stomp

Now this is more like it. How hard was that? Thanks for giving your two cents.



BTW on the 500hp thread. It had already been done before you did, just it wasn't all out in the open as it was done on a couple 'new, unproven' dyno's. Then when 600hp was broken, (on Dunbar's dyno) not a mention, thread, let alone a sticky was given by PB or TDR.



Anyways, lets stop all the hatin :-laf. Sorry if I offended you.

 

[CSchafer]

There we go guy's it's not that hard to get along is it. Stomp I can definently see where your coming from. Bill never misses a chance to give me crap about the lift in my truck or the way I drive it. But I have met Bill a couple times and I can tell you he is a great guy that gives as much help and advice as possible. Other than a small fetish with huge fuel filters :-laf he is fun to hang out with. As far as acomplishments go you take the cake with over 600 hp with a ve pump. But bill has done alot with alot less money (i'm guessing) and that hits closer to home with most people on this forum. Now this is a great topic as I hope to be up with you guy's as soon as financially possible and posts like this will greatly help me on my way. As always I will continue to rute for Bill and look forward to dicussing first gen power with him and Stomp if I ever get a chance to meet you I will definently shake your hand for pushing the envolope. Keep it up both of you. So here is a question for you ve guru's. What is the big difference in the pumps (years and serial #'s). From the pictures and write up's i've found the ve is a relitively simple animal with only a few differnt things that can affect output, so what's the differnce, spring rates, cam profile,???