Mitchells pulling clutch?

[South Bend Clutch]

WWaddell



If you are realy interested in a six speed, there is a company called Blumenthals out of Oklahma City that sells them direct to the consumer. They are brand new and a direct fit and they can supply them with a 1 1/4" or a 1 3/8" input shaft. 1-888-236-4800 contact name is Don or Morty. Hope this helps.



Peter

 

[MCummings]

Originally posted by WWaddell

Interesting... is the 6 speed a direct bolt in? Driveshaft length the same etc... ?

Near direct bolt in. I got the small input shaft on my transmission. (More clutch center section from what I understand)



It is nearly a direct bolt in,, You have to buy a small "Conversion Package" and then it will bolt right in,, keep in mind the transmission weighs 380 pounds,, Ya ain't gonna arm wrestle and bolt the thing in all by yourself. (Well If you are hard headed enough,, I guess you COULD)



Driveshaft and "Stick" position are all the same,, Hardest parts to get used to though,, Reverse is over,,, over and Up, and there is always a right gear for the speed.



Merrick Cummings Jr

 

[HiPerf360]

Originally posted by exhausted

THIS IS FOR PETER I THINK IT IS ABSOLUTLEY PATHETIC THAT YOU ARE THAT HARD UP FOR BUSINESS THAT YOU HAVE TO GET ON HERE AND BASH SOMEONE ELSES PRODUCT. IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE YOU ARE THE ONE OUT HERE TO MAKE A BUCK. YOU DON'T SEE THE MITCHELLS OUT HERE BASHING YOUR PRODUCT , THAT IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LOT MORE CLASS THAN YOU. AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED YOU ARE THE BIGGEST MORON I HAVE EVER HEARD AND I WOULDN'T BUY ONE OF YOUR CLUTCHES FOR ANY AMOUNT OF MONEY! I THINK IF YOU HAVE ANY CONCIOUS AT ALL YOU NEED TO START A POST JUST TO APOLIGIZE TO ALL THE VENDERS OUT HERE YOU HAVE BASHED! I APOLIGIZE TO EVERYONE ELSE OUT THERE FOR MY REPLY BUT PETER YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!!!!

Yeah, your such an idiot Peter! You must be really stupid if you think you can make a clutch that will hold all of the power my truck makes on the drag strip and have a lighter than stock pedal pressure.



Oh wait, You already have... . Oops my bad.



Exhausted, you don't know what you are talking about so shut up!

 

[DarrellB]

WoW, I mean WoW

I read all that and I still have no idea of what clutch to put in my truck when it comes time. So I will ask, and maybe some one will tell me. Please don't yell at me like yo did that guy Peter (I have very sensitive ears)



I need a clutch that will hold about 400hp and will work good while pulling on the street. (I have sled pulled and it's way to expensive for my taste, besides it's no fun when you have to compeat with guys that have an unlimitted bank account and more horse power than a Nascar race) I want a clutch that will not chatter my teeth out when backing large loads. I regularly pull loads over 30,000lbs and backing those loads is hard enough without the truck bucking like a mule. I want the truck to be as streetable as possible, I know it's a 7,500lb truck and I drive it like one, no speed shifting or nothing like that I just keep her roling through the grears.



If some of you guys can quit yelling at each other long enough to help a would be very greatful.



Thanks

Big D

 

[D Factor]

I am sorry about yelling. I feel the need to clarify myself. i am not bashing peters clutches they may be the best around , i don't know and I really do not care. I am just sick and tired of seeing him on every post concerning his competition bashing them. All I did was do what the moderators of this forum should of done a long time ago. In my opinion a supplier has no business on this site trying to peddle his product or bashing his competition. I am sure I will probably be banned from this site for my comments but somebody needed to make them.

 

[BPINE]

Exhausted I hope you are right and you are banned from the site you have no idea what you are talking about I think you should go back and read this thread again. All though I think this thread is way out of control I do not think Peter was bashing anyone. Peter was only trying to point out that not everyone needs a puling clutch and he is correct. There is no one size fits all and we all need to remember that, just because I have a South Bend clutch and it holds my little bitty 450 hp truck that I use for pulling my RV and an occasional blast doesn't mean it is the best for all. And just because someone has a clutch that holds up to ? HP at the pulls doesn't mean everyone needs one of those either. IMO DarrellB one of Peters clutches is exactly what you need.

 

[Mark_Kendrick]

Re: WoW, I mean WoW

Originally posted by DarrellB

I read all that and I still have no idea of what clutch to put in my truck when it comes time. So I will ask, and maybe some one will tell me. Please don't yell at me like yo did that guy Peter (I have very sensitive ears)



I need a clutch that will hold about 400hp and will work good while pulling on the street. (I have sled pulled and it's way to expensive for my taste, besides it's no fun when you have to compeat with guys that have an unlimitted bank account and more horse power than a Nascar race) I want a clutch that will not chatter my teeth out when backing large loads. I regularly pull loads over 30,000lbs and backing those loads is hard enough without the truck bucking like a mule. I want the truck to be as streetable as possible, I know it's a 7,500lb truck and I drive it like one, no speed shifting or nothing like that I just keep her roling through the grears.



If some of you guys can quit yelling at each other long enough to help a would be very greatful.



Thanks

Big D

An SBC Con OFE would be perfect. One side is organic the other ferrous. best of both worlds. . smooth load engagement and excellent holding power with a better than stock pedal.



exhausted,

My Con FE holds 450hp with ease and IT DOES HAVE A BETTER THAN STOCK PEDAL. I'm in the hunt for 600hp. I asked peter about smoking his clutch. He said if I find the FE's limit he'll still replace it if I back off the HP from where I break it. A vendor that wants to know where the limit is and is willing to pay to find it... WOW!!!!!!!!!!!



His customer service is second to none. He backs his products like nobody else will.



Your comments about him were uncalled for and way out of line. You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[KatDiesel]

exhausted -



Your post was yanked due violation of the guidelines in several instances.



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Your welcome to post your opinions of Peter and his company, however keep it within the guidelines please.



Any questions email me with them.

 

[D Factor]

That is what I did was state my opinions of Peter.

 

[KatDiesel]

Originally posted by exhausted

That is what I did was state my opinions of Peter.

As I said before, your welcome to your opinion, in my above post I typed in bold the parts that applied to your post.

 

[Sled Puller]

Kat,

While I TOLD Exhausted he was out of line in e-mail, I noticed you let Peters fans get away with posting whatever they feel like, again.

As they do on every thread, that ever mentions SBC. Sort of like an auto transmission fan that a lot of these guys ripped on.



A little one sided moderating again?

Steve told me last night that he was NOT in violation.







BPINE said:



'Peter was only trying to point out that not everyone needs a puling clutch and he is correct. "





Peter is correct, to a point.



We are here to say that Mitchell's 'PULLING" clutch is also a heavy duty trailer hauler clutch for high horsepower.

Two trucks with goose necks with that clutch were at Enterprise today.

With no noticeable adverse effects to the drive train, thousands of miles. One has well over 200,000, been BOMBed forever, as well as a puller. It is a 1994.



How come we can't say that this clutch works without someone saying,"Oh that is a pulling clutch you don't want that. "

Who started that rumor?





By all means buy and use Peters clutchs, he is not doing anything wrong.

His clutches will work for say, 95% of the trucks on here.



That last 5%, well, you know where to go!





For transfer of absolute maximum power in ANY situation, EEP!!



Gene

 

[Sled Puller]

Oh, BPINE?

If you westerners would EVER get some REAL power, you would need better clutches.



That is how we guage you guys, by what parts are failing.



There is ONE west coaster that has a Mitchell clutch, best watch out for him.

 

[KatDiesel]

Originally posted by Sled Puller

Kat,

While I TOLD Exhausted he was out of line in e-mail, I noticed you let Peters fans get away with posting whatever they feel like, again.

As they do on every thread, that ever mentions SBC. Sort of like an auto transmission fan that a lot of these guys ripped on.



A little one sided moderating again?

Steve told me last night that he was NOT in violation.

Well this is what Steve said about it earlier today in the moderator forum :



" I hadn't seen it before you deleted it or I would have. "



So therefore I would say he was in violation.



On the rest of the thread... I haven't finished reading it yet... . I left earlier. I hadn't really read this thread until today, since I don't have a pesky stick.

 

[Sled Puller]

Selective reading=selective moderating.







Maybe Steve was taking Exhausteds meds.

 

[rubberneck]

Originally posted by Sled Puller

There is ONE west coaster that has a Mitchell clutch, best watch out for him.

Now now sled puller dont go spreading rumors

 

[csutton7]

I've got the SBC and Mitchell combo---A DTT massaged auto---he,he,he... chris

 

[TxDieselKid]

now don't go quoting me here.....

The SBC is a great clutch, no doubt.

The Mitchell clutch is obviously a strong clutch.



Can there not be more then one good clutch? My god the world is going to end because there is more then one clutch that can hold some power.



Guys, there is no doubt in anybodys mind that SBC is good, but let it pass, and let there be another good product on the market. Now if sombody said that the SBC is a piece of junk, then let the dogs out. However until that point keep your mouth shut and you might learn something.



Taking lessons from MeanGene,

Andrew

 

[South Bend Clutch]

TxDieselKid,



Yes there can, and that is what I have always stressed. Competition is good. Anyone that knows me knows that I do not recommend our clutches for sled pulling, they are not designed for that. If you need a sled pulling clutch you should go with a double disc unit from other clutch suppliers and I will recommend a few different places to anyone that asks. Now, if someone says my clutch can't handle over 400 hp and haul heavy loads then I will step in and say... Yes it will. The reason I’m concerned about transmission wear with the double disk or ridged style of disks, is not a tactic to sell our product. Come on... we are a clutch company. If I felt there was not any concern I would build them and sell them. I only state this because I have first hand experience. I tried the ridged style of disks in the diesel transmissions in the mid '90s and I had to replace a few transmissions due to internal damage. The harder I tried to disprove it being a clutch design problem, the worse I looked. I then went to a dampened, or spring loaded, style of clutch that was not designed for diesels, the difference here being a floating hub center, and I still had idle clattle with clatter in 4th and 5th gear driving on the highway. I have heard a lot of the people that have the double disk unit say that the rattle comes from the center plate and, yes, that is true when the clutch is depressed. The center plate is freed at this time allowing it to flop around a little causing the clatter. But think about it... when the clutch pedal is not depressed everything is squeezed together ready to drive. As Gene has stated, sitting still he may need to shut the vehicle off to hear someone talking, or if he is driving down the road and the clatter gets too loud he just needs to roll the windows up which tells us that something is making noise. It is NOT the clutch making the noise. A diesel engine spikes at the crank unlike a gas engine. If you fasten the input shaft with ridged disks to the spiking crank/flywheel then you are also spiking the input shaft. That is why they make the disk hubs free floating in a diesel, thus, allowing the input shaft to sit still while the flywheel is spiking. The noise, or clatter, that is heard in neutral or driving down the road, when your foot is off the clutch pedal, is NOT the clutch itself. That kind of knocking cannot be good on your truck, can it?



If you are planning on sled pulling then you are not really too concerned about damage to the truck and a double disk is perfect for you. Now this is my opinion, and my opinion could be completely wrong. This post was not to disprove or compare anything, this is only what I experienced. And trust me, when someone asks me where to get a clutch for sled pulling I will direct them to the people I know that carry double disk clutches. When I figure out how to put a floating hub in a unsprung disc I will sell a double disc unit as well because YES they can hold more power.



Peter

 

[Todd T]

Right!!

its gear lash taking up and freeing back, along with noise transfer from the crankshaft and THAT, will take out any size of shaft and gear set, in due time. along with a more harsh ride when engaged. I. E. gear noise and jurking.

 

[RustyJC]

Gear and Clutch Rattle

I really don't want to get in the middle of this discussion, but I've been waiting for someone to mention "torsional vibration". Has anyone torsiographed the transmission input shaft with an unsprung clutch hub? Has anyone strain gauged the input shaft? Has anyone performed a torsional vibration analysis to determine the effect of adding additional mass (heavier pressure plate, floater disk, etc. ) to the flywheel? Does anyone know where the torsional critical speeds are for the Cummins 5. 9L?



Just some food for thought and discussion...



Rusty