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[RustyJC]

Air cooled? Likely a Deutz diesel.



Rusty

 

[rscurtis]

This was no Deutz. I've owned and worked on many different Deutz diesels. The cooling fan and manifolds were also reversed from the Deutz layout. Too bad I didn't get a picture, but the engine was pretty well covered in the tractor. No mistaking the big "C" though.

 

[RustyJC]

If you say so... ...



Rusty

 

[mwilson]

This was no Deutz. I've owned and worked on many different Deutz diesels. The cooling fan and manifolds were also reversed from the Deutz layout. Too bad I didn't get a picture, but the engine was pretty well covered in the tractor. No mistaking the big "C" though.

Go here and scroll down, maybe you will recognize the model of the tractor that you saw. .



Looks like there will be some specs. .



http://www.puddingsworld.com/Machinery/Same_Trattori/index.html



Interested in what you discover.



Mike.

 

[Wayne M.]

Don't forget the A series. . that was an awesome little Cummins

Nick

I've heard of the A series. Never seen one. I didn't think Cummins made something that small.

 

[rscurtis]

Mike, it looked like the tractor on the top right photo. The owner said it was very economical, and the engine was some type of joint venture with Cummins. It appears that later SAME tractors use the Deutz engine, as they are part of the Deutz-Fahr organization.

 

[rscurtis]

I've heard of the A series. Never seen one. I didn't think Cummins made something that small.

It wasn't anything to write home about. I think it was a Cummins-Onan joint venture. It was used on some Onan generators. UPS used them for a while some time ago. I was a small, high-revving engine and it smoked like a trooper, you could never run anything like that today. IMO, it would have been a good repower engine for a mid-sized car. There is no parts support for it today.

 

[mwilson]

It wasn't anything to write home about. I think it was a Cummins-Onan joint venture. It was used on some Onan generators. UPS used them for a while some time ago. I was a small, high-revving engine and it smoked like a trooper, you could never run anything like that today. IMO, it would have been a good repower engine for a mid-sized car. There is no parts support for it today.

We have encountered a few in my 15 years here and parts were very expensive. I think one was in some sort of parcel wagon and another was in a small front end loader. I don't doubt that the parts are now made of unobtainium... .



Mike.

 

[Wayne M.]

So Im guessing this one is out for a repower project... .

 

[rscurtis]

I saw one in an older Chevy PU at a show last summer. The owner wasn't around, so I couldn't ask any questions. IMO, if you're going to go to the trouble, use something worthwhile, like a 4BT for mileage or a 4-53T for effect.

 

[Wayne M.]

Have you seen the YouTube with the chev pick up with the 4-53? We had a water witch with that one. Boy it was a screamer!!

 

[RustyJC]

Well, that's the old saying about the 2 stroke Detroits - they were the most efficient device ever devised by mankind for the conversion of diesel fuel into noise and smoke.



Rusty

 

[Wayne M.]

Well, that's the old saying about the 2 stroke Detroits - they were the most efficient device ever devised by mankind for the conversion of diesel fuel into noise and smoke.

Rusty

Agreeable.

 

[mwilson]

Well, that's the old saying about the 2 stroke Detroits - they were the most efficient device ever devised by mankind for the conversion of diesel fuel into noise and smoke.



Rusty

Yes, but bless their oil dripping little souls as they powered the machinery that built a lot of this country. If one didn't have power enough for the task at hand you simply bolted another one to it... .

If there was not enough room to stand one up in a chassis they made one that laid on it's side and ran.

No electronics, just a fuel rack and a flyweight governor.

It does not get any simpler than that.



I kinda' miss them.



Mike.

 

[rscurtis]

It was quite an ingenious design considering it goes back to the late 1930's. The same design is still used in locomotives today.

 

[Wayne M.]

It was quite an ingenious design considering it goes back to the late 1930's. The same design is still used in locomotives today.

Indeed. I remember back in my early marine days, the city had a leased workboat that had what we knew as a Graymarine 6-71. This engine lost a cylinder, and it was the first time I would work with someone going inside one of these. It had a cast iron oil pan that weighed about 200 lbs, and as I went about cleaning it I found a date of 1937. I was impressed. This engine had rollers on the lifters (followers?) and all. Quite ahead of it's time. We also had Payhauler 350 quarry trucks that had 16V's (two 8's). We had 'em pancake too in the CCC front loaders. You could hear the Payhauler a mile away between the engine, the whiny twin disc trans, and the huge planataries.

 

[Wayne M.]

Mike, hows that cab coming? Maybe we should come out from walking around the barn...

 

[PToombs]

Doosans have Cummins We have Doosan 200- that's what's replacing the case's #@$%! and they got their own engine with glow plugs in there... . Pete who do you work for? we get ours from Hoffman Eq in NJ.

I work for Monroe Tractor in Syracuse. In '08 we bought out H. C. Hanson in the southern tier and now are the Case dealer in most of the state. We have Case, Doosan, the Wirtgen group, Hamm rollers, Wirtgen Milling machines, Vogele pavers, and now Kleeman mobile crushers and screening plants. Doosan makes their own engines until you get to the DL 400 and larger loaders. You wanna see a big loader? DL500. We have a customer that has an older Mega 400-V, a DL450, and a DL500. It's a good sized beast. We haven't had too many problems with them, mostly just small stuff going wrong.

 

[mwilson]

Mike, hows that cab coming? Maybe we should come out from walking around the barn...

You guys go in any direction and take as many trips around the barn as you desire on one of my threads, I'm good with it.....

I have learned some neat stuff on here that way.



I have been on vacation all week so I don't know how they have progressed. When I left out a week ago Friday they had the headliner down, the air horns off and I think the visor/light combo was not far behind. I will get some pictures tomorrow and update you all.



Mike.

 

[HBarlow]

That is a record setting level of ugly alright. It does look perfect for a frozen guacamole shipper in LA but probably not a lot of guacamole sold in ME and New England.