My CB kills my motor????????

[tmh1955]

yep. Concur

 

[BK]

I'm running 60 watts on a dual bander as well and have run ~80watts hf, no problem either. But then again, everything is used AS DESIGNED. . (including input filtering!!!). . All are/was stock as designed from the factory. I've been around other Rams running boxes. . don't know who's, but I've never hurt a running TDR.





I have a direct wired to a sub fuse panel, just for radios, including fusing for grounds. I have silver 8awg teflon insulated wire feeding the sub fuse block. My dual bander is just for local stuff on 2m/70cm, so I just have a crappy glassmount. And the hf I had was a loaner from a bud, make shift antenna installation on a bumper mount. That's gone now. My bud was a nut, loved code, had a key on the center counsole and would drive while tapping out a qso.



And now you cant drive with a cellphone in your hand... .

 

[JHardwick]

I pulled my trailer home tonight after some warranty work without the Quad :{ I'll be leaving Fri-Sat for a week or so, this is gonna be bad ... ... ..... so bad! I just can't wait til I start loading horses and start climbing mountain sides Gages and a 5" tip and no zip!!!! Maybe if I remove the "**** on Banks" rear window sticker, keep my tinted window up to hide the gages, nobody will know ... ... ... ... . the tip is on the passenger side hidden by the trailer :-laf

 

[JHardwick]

I Dunno. I run 2m/75cm ham rig at 60 watts and also 100w from a HF ham rig in my 2001 Ram 2500 Quad, Cummins with no problems.

The radio aint bothering the truck, just the Quad box ... ... ..... do you have one of those?

 

[JHardwick]

Throw a 40 watter in the cab and a magentic stick on antennae and let us all know how that works out.



The bottom line is that with poor RF filtering a powerful CB can be a destructive little device.

I dunno, tech hasn't gotten back with me since Monday? It doesn't bother my GPS, my cell phone, my XM radio, my WiFi laptop or my Escort radar detector ... ... ... ... ... can I wrap this thing in foil or copper wire mesh or something?

 

[BK]

I dunno, tech hasn't gotten back with me since Monday? It doesn't bother my GPS, my cell phone, my XM radio, my WiFi laptop or my Escort radar detector ... ... ... ... ... can I wrap this thing in foil or copper wire mesh or something?

Sure, copper screen is the best available material, Mu metal is the best by far, but you'll never find that at a local store.

Ground it well, short wide grounding strap.

If it works, well then you know it was a radiated problem, not conducted.

If it doesn't , your back to it being a conducted problem via the 12vdc.

 

[qzilla]

I dunno, tech hasn't gotten back with me since Monday? It doesn't bother my GPS, my cell phone, my XM radio, my WiFi laptop or my Escort radar detector ... ... ... ... ... can I wrap this thing in foil or copper wire mesh or something?

I gave you a couple of options to try such as putting it under the hood to see if the problem still existed as well as a couple of other litte things.



Did you get an RMA# and send it in?

I doubt you are going to hear back from anyone until they recieve your module if you did send it in.



The only thing we are going to do is put a new board in it. If the CB still affects it then I really do not have any other options for you on our end.



Basically what you have is a a direct antennae to sensors on your truck from in the cab with the module. That is where we found that most of the problem was coming from so we added a bunch of filtering and other stuff to keep the RF from interfering with it. At this point all you can really do is wait and try the new board if you are not willing to change anything on the CB.



Quad

 

[MMeier]

I dunno, tech hasn't gotten back with me since Monday? It doesn't bother my GPS, my cell phone, my XM radio, my WiFi laptop or my Escort radar detector ... ... ... ... ... can I wrap this thing in foil or copper wire mesh or something?

Maybe a lead lined box of some sort would work.

 

[Alphacowboy]

Couldnt you remove the case (as you said its plastic) and line the inside with aluminum tape? just an idea.

 

[JHardwick]

I gave you a couple of options to try such as putting it under the hood to see if the problem still existed as well as a couple of other litte things.



Did you get an RMA# and send it in?

I doubt you are going to hear back from anyone until they recieve your module if you did send it in.



The only thing we are going to do is put a new board in it. If the CB still affects it then I really do not have any other options for you on our end.



Basically what you have is a a direct antennae to sensors on your truck from in the cab with the module. That is where we found that most of the problem was coming from so we added a bunch of filtering and other stuff to keep the RF from interfering with it. At this point all you can really do is wait and try the new board if you are not willing to change anything on the CB.



Quad

I sent Rourke an email on Friday. I got a request for a serial number on Monday and got a response this evening (Thursday).



Again, I'm not busting chops, I'm home for a short period and have major maintanance to get done to leave by Saturday.



I wanted an alignment and new tires, but didn't expect four ball joints and all new rod ends first.



I had a crack in my aluminum trailer I needed to get fixed under warranty, but ended up having him cut six holes in the roof so I could mount (6) 2-way roof vents and close up the sides with plexiglass.



Plus I mounted a CB and speaker that screwed with my box. I finally got time to wrap it in foil today, it helped some, but still made the motor stumble a bit.



Plus general maintanance that I go through everytime I'm home.



Anyway, I'm leaving no later than Saturday in stock form :{

 

[qzilla]

I am not busting chops either but, if you go back to the first page I mentioned that you were going to need the new board. Then on post #15 I mentioned that you needed to call and get a RMA# so we could swap the module out for the newer one as that is the best bet for you at this point. If you had done this the next day you might have already had the new one. You just need to call him or email him and tell him you need it swapped out and you need an RMA#.



Until you do that you are not going to fix it.

 

[JHardwick]

I am not busting chops either but, if you go back to the first page I mentioned that you were going to need the new board. Then on post #15 I mentioned that you needed to call and get a RMA# so we could swap the module out for the newer one as that is the best bet for you at this point. If you had done this the next day you might have already had the new one. You just need to call him or email him and tell him you need it swapped out and you need an RMA#.



Until you do that you are not going to fix it.

Roark suggested torroid from Radio Shack, he didn't give me an RMA#. He did say it could be sent back for a board swap that would be good for a 4-5w radio. I need to sit down sometime today and start calling clients, I'll call you too. It should be back by the time I get back.

 

[JHardwick]

I talked to the local CB shop and came up with this. Its a . 02" thick copper box, soldered together, mounted under the hood and grounded to the chassis with a braided ground strap ... ... ... . still a no go, oh well

 

[BK]

Not surprised.



Well that tends to prove that it's mostly like conducted emissions, not radiated, into your zilla box as I've been suspecting.



So it's seems more likely then, it's the emi filter in your CB is just becoming a piece of wire at the input currents it draws when you got the power up.

 

[JHardwick]

Not surprised.



Well that tends to prove that it's mostly like conducted emissions, not radiated, into your zilla box as I've been suspecting.



So it's seems more likely then, it's the emi filter in your CB is just becoming a piece of wire at the input currents it draws when you got the power up.

Well, that doesn't make sense either? If I pull the module and leave the harness, I have boost fooling, but no interference ... ... ... if you look at my reader rig, I have everythingthing grounded ... ... ... ..... it's got to be the module itself!



BTW, I added a 400w heater under the driver side seat

 

[BK]

Sure it does.



The emi coming back out onto the power leads will send all the crap back on to the 12vdc line for all to be subject to it. That's the 1st order effect.

The 2nd order effect is that all those 12vdc cables will re-radiate it.

You could shield every wire to dooms day. . and things may change, but not get fixed till you eliminate the original reason for the emi even being there.



Is this a cheapo no name brand heater?

All the cheapo stuff I've seen had practically no input fitler.

If it's a 10 meter modified for 11meters, but original power, like a yaseu or kenwood or something, then it's probably properly designed.





Two Q's. .

what do you mean by "boost fooling"... but no interference?

Meaning you have a problem without of the box. . but I'm not sure what you mean by "boost fooling".



And are you using the same rig we've been talking about, but you added more heat? and now have "boost fooling" problem with no zilla box, but with the heat?

 

[donnier]

One thing you could try is use a piece of coax connected to the power line for the cb.

Iv done it on past installs and didnt have any problem.

Just a thought.

 

[JHardwick]

I sent an email requesting and RMA# yesterday, should have one tomorrow, but I was really interested in fixing the problem instead of the effect.

The emi coming back out onto the power leads will send all the crap back on to the 12vdc line for all to be subject to it. That's the 1st order effect.

The EMI will travel backwards through the battery? I just can't understand why nothing else gets interfered with if thats the case. XM radio, cell phone, laptop, GPS, radar detector, ECM, etc etc

Is this a cheapo no name brand heater? All the cheapo stuff I've seen had practically no input fitler.

Its a Galaxy

If it's a 10 meter modified for 11meters, but original power, like a yaseu or kenwood or something, then it's probably properly designed.

Not sure, but here is what the guy I got it from has to say about 10-11 meter conversions... ..... http://www.mikeselectronics.net/ Look under "pricing"

Two Q's. .

what do you mean by "boost fooling"... but no interference?

Meaning you have a problem without of the box. . but I'm not sure what you mean by "boost fooling".

What I mean is, if I leave the harness on and just remove the box, the jumper that goes in place of the box still gives boost fooling. The only thing missing is the box. The Quad harness is still in place between the motor and the ECM, but I get no interference this way. I'm not really sure that says anything though.

And are you using the same rig we've been talking about, but you added more heat?

Yup, it;s the same cobbled up Cobra, with the exception of grounding the radio chassis and adding the heater which I grounded as well. The radio is grounded to a dash screw and the heater is grounded to a seat bolt. This is my first radio and I'm green to all of this.

 

[steved]

I sent an email requesting and RMA# yesterday, should have one tomorrow, but I was really interested in fixing the problem instead of the effect.

The EMI will travel backwards through the battery? I just can't understand why nothing else gets interfered with if thats the case. XM radio, cell phone, laptop, GPS, radar detector, ECM, etc etc



Its a Galaxy



Not sure, but here is what the guy I got it from has to say about 10-11 meter conversions... ..... http://www.mikeselectronics.net/ Look under "pricing"





What I mean is, if I leave the harness on and just remove the box, the jumper that goes in place of the box still gives boost fooling. The only thing missing is the box. The Quad harness is still in place between the motor and the ECM, but I get no interference this way. I'm not really sure that says anything though.



Yup, it;s the same cobbled up Cobra, with the exception of grounding the radio chassis and adding the heater which I grounded as well. The radio is grounded to a dash screw and the heater is grounded to a seat bolt. This is my first radio and I'm green to all of this.

Is the radio matched to the Amp??



steved

 

[JHardwick]

Is the radio matched to the Amp??



steved

Not sure what that means? I took the 29 to this guy and had him go through it. It already had the Connex board (echo, talkback) and Mofset finals added when I bought it off EBay. He adjusted the dead key to 1 & 2 watts (adjusted with the dimmer) for full modulation and 40 watt swing. And then I bought the heater from him a week later.