New member to the overloaded club, 53140 lbs!!!

[NVR FNSH]

Nathan,

I held my tongue about subsidies I don't know enough about the whole farming business to have an intelligent conversation about subsidies.



Seriously, I do appreciate what you do & I don't intend to rake farmers over the coals. I just don't agree with the way some of the things get done. I'm not singling out farmers/ranchers for overloading - RVers are just as guilty. I do find it interesting that a CDL is not required to drive a semi if it is a farm vehicle - at least that's my understanding.



Regarding the wagon trailer and the factory hitch - even though there is no tongue weight the hitch/frame is seeing the tensile load when the truck 'just has to get the wagon moving'.



How does that ag hitch mount the P/U? If it mounts the same way/location as the factory receiver hitch then nothing as been done to increase the tow rating/GCWR/Tow rating of the P/U.



Brian

 

[MidwestMotorman]

If you can't....

If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!



Mr. nvr fnsh needs to make his way out here and see how farmers work. Might be a great life lesson for you! Maybe if these guys put you to work in a tractor/combine/or hauling grain here and there, you might wake up! You wouldn't have things to eat or ethanol for your gas or many of the things you take for granted in your life without these farmers! When the storms comin, and you still have crops in the field, you do what you damn well need to.



His fathers truck could kick anybody's @ss in a matter of losing your crops and money. So maybe you should watch your mouth and bite your tounge next time you want to bash my husband for doing what he has to do to make a living and not lose their crops!!!!



I read some of the past posts. I do that from time to time cuz I love Dodge and my cummins. You tell my Husband that he's full of I TRIED TO BY-PASS THE CUSSING FILTER or that he's idiotic or anything and you'll answer to me and I won't back down from anyone. Thank you very much!



The Wife

 

[NVR FNSH]

Re: If you can't....

Originally posted by nathanbush

You wouldn't have things to eat or ethenol for your gas or many of the things you take for granted in your life without these farmers!

Just what I want - ethanol. Ca tries to get exempted from having to blend gas with ethanol or MTBE because the refineries can make gasoline that meets EPA requirements w/o the additives. EPA requires the additives even though the evidence is there showing that the additives are NOT required. Can you say corn lobby?



Brian

 

[Shovelhead]

"When Momma ain't happy... ..... Nobody's happy"



Wise man once said, "Don't judge a man 'til you've walked a mile in his moccasins".

 

[MCummings]

Want another wiseman quote ??



Not saying who is who,, as I think neither of anybody here is,, but, keep this in mind. .



To quote Jay-Z (rapper) "A wise man once told me to never argue with fools,, 'cause people from a distance can't tell who is who... "



MerrickNJr

 

[MidwestMotorman]

more info

Let's see... more questions to answer.



The ag hitch bolts within a foot of the rear, again halfway in between, and then through the center of the bumper. The bumper mounting and frame take what load the rubber absorbers in the shock hitch don't.



A farmer in Iowa still needs the CDL to operate a semi, plus I think you also have to be air brake certified.



Ethanol blended fuel is supposed to be sold cheaper than straight gasoline, but the stations do not lower the prices, and pocket the money themselves. Too many people think of ethanol is only an additive. It is mainly used as a replacement source for gasoline. . Lots of the vehicles owned by the state of Iowa run on 90% ethanol or higher. One can even drink ethanol safely. There is way too much info to even start this argument here. Ever try soydiesel in your truck? Your exhaust will smell like french fries.



Isn't it nice to have a spirited wife?

 

[CRuD]

Some people are college smart and common sense STUPID

NVER Finsh

Stay in your room with the BSME on the wall and don't venture out here in the real world. I have been following these posts and am now convinced that you have "No Clue" on what you are talking about. Numorous folks tried to explain the above to you and you are to bull headed to listen.

I served 21 years in the USMC and while in SWA we would load our Cat D7s numerious times prior to the end. I can not tell you how many times we Loaded two D7 dozers (48000lbs each) on a lowboy trailer and hauled them across the dessert to where they needed to go. Normally only one D7 would be considered a load. Yes it overloaded the trailer and LVS (TRuck) but it got the job done. Before you try and flame me no we where not going fast, we tried to keep it under a 150 mph Get real.

Go back and stare at your BSME on the wall and be thankfully that there are folks out here making things happen. In most cases Safely I might add.

Have a nice day.

Nopefully I will Not SEE YOU.

Chris

 

[CRuD]

SWA= South West Asia

I thought I would add this so you maybe able to understand if you see it in black and white. Some of us slept in the sand while some others got to sleep in there beds at home.

See Ya

Chris

 

[GLASMITHS]

Overloaded Hitch?????

HEY WAITE A MINUTE



I put my reply on more in jest, as anyone could tell



MR NVR FNSH yes everything was overloaded; however those farmers would never have known it. You spoiled his thread. He really thought he would share something with us, and you let all the air out of it. Shame on you.



MR KLENGER - yOU ARE WRONG AQBOUT THE HITCH NOT BEING OVERLOADED. DCsays anytime you pull more than 10,000# you must have a 5th wheel or gooseneck hitch. You also missed my did at the DC hitch, the one that they want to put some "straps"

on to keep it from cracking. I told them to shove it. If I ever need to pull more than a utility trailer, I just spend $150. 00 and put a real hitch on it. NO STRAPS



AND HE STILL DIDN'T OVERLOAD HIS CUMMINS!!!!



By the way Nathan, if yould wash that thing you could probably pull three of those trailers

 

[Greg Boardman-RIP]

Mr. NVR FNSH,



zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzI guess they call you nvrfnsh because you don't know when to stop... ... Well some of us don't care about that darn BSME (I still am not sure what that is) thing. I make an honest living and work two jobs to be able to afford what I can. If you don't agree with what is being said just read and don't reply. Some of us need to not take ourselves so serious. This place is for fun and info..... Breath count to ten Breath count to ten... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...

 

[illflem]

CDL in Iowa

For Ag? What's the world coming to? In WA & MT all you need is a regular license, don't need to even be a citizen or speak English. Can only haul farm equipment or products though.

 

[Diesel Freak]

NVR FNSH, You stepped in it this time. Things are done differently outside the city limits when things have to get done. I work with, work for, and have degreed engineers as subordinates. The piece of paper only means that you spent the money for it, and by your posts proves that that piece of paper does not gaurantee common sence, or the ability to use the resources availble to you at the time (a very valuable attribute that I look for when conducting interviews). I know you have heard the saying "think outside the box", well, I think you should start "living outside the box".



nathanbush, where can I find a woman like that?

 

[MidwestMotorman]

good woman

Sorry Diesel Freak, her sister just got married a few months ago.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Pull anything you want!

I am also a farmer, (cattle) and I don't even know the weight of some of the stuff I hook on to. If I can pull it, its going with me! Of course this is only on dirt roads in the middle of nowhere. Farmer feed the world! Good job Nathan.

 

[NVR FNSH]

CRuD - Maybe with your overwhelming excess of common sense you could tell me by what percentage the tractor/lowboy was overloaded - based on it's GCWR? Nathan was ~150% above a 20k rating. I don't know the rating for his particular truck but it sure isn't 50k. I'd really like to hear your take on bending stress, shear stress, fatigue life and all those other topics that fall under common sense. Maybe you could explain to me & all the DC (and Ford, Chevy, Freightliner etc) engineers how to design things. Do you really think that a company that is trying to save money by eliminating bed side moulding and grab handles has designed in so much margin (that means EXCESS steel for you common sense folks) and not increased the factory ratings or charged the customer for it? I wonder why Ford offers the 450/550? Would it be because they have higher ratings and thus they command a premium price & fill the gap between a light duty P/U and a medium duty 650/750? I thought SWA was SouthWest Airlines



Greg - NVR FNSH is the license plate on my CJ-7. I'll never finish working on it. I'm terribly sorry that you have to work two jobs to afford your toys - luckliy I don't. BSME - Bachelor of Science in Mechanical Engineering. I really don't take myself seriously, ask the people who sit across from my college roommate & I. This just happens to be my pet peeve.



Diesel Freak - My curiousity is peaked - what do you do 'outside the city limits? Using the tools available, I see you're 28 - a few years younger than me. Can you pass on any career advice so I don't 'step in it' again? My degree is from Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo - ranked one of top PUBLIC schools in the country. Cal Poly is known for it's hands on education and graduating people that are ready/able to work. I take offense at your smart *** remark about 'only spent the money for it'. Would you care to cite the 'common sense' regarding a 50k GCWR? What have I missed? Was the frame modified to increase it's strength? How about the bolts that attach the hitch to frame - increased number to distribute the load? Explain to me where I made an error. Show me the data/calculations that our trucks can handle 43k over the design life and still meet DC's end of life/safety margins - I'll be the first to admit I am wrong. If I take it all back will you interview me if I get laid off? I promise to use common sense and the tools available to me in the future.



Have any of you seen the new (at least to me) F150 commercial showing the #66 truck blasting through the desert? That truck was designed by Light Racing, Inc and built by Baldwin Racing - big time home builders in SoCal - in '93/'94. Baldwin Racing built 3 of them at ~$250k each. Guess what? Your's truly helped design that truck. In fact, my senior project - required to obtain that piece of paper that only says I had the money to obtain a degree - was the rear suspension Rocker Arm (I'm looking at the dwg). Luckily, Baldwin Racing employeed several magical fabricators and I didn't have weld the darn thing together. I'm not that skilled. I guess helping to design/build A-arms & swing arm for my buddies race quad doesn't count for much. What about doing chase/pit support for that quad all the way to La Paz?



Can I go back inside the box now? Sure wish I got out from behind a desk more often. I've often wondered what it's like in 'real' world?



Oh, and my engineering co-op? Garrett Turbochargers in Torrance, Ca. I was testing silencer rings and Extrude Honed compressor housings before most of you knew what either of those were.



Nathan - all the load will still be transferred to the truck. The rubber bumpers & spring only reduce the shock (increases time of load application) to the frame. The load is still reacted by the truck frame/bumper.



Bull headed, don't know when to stop (especially when insulted) and damn proud of it.



Brian

 

[CGoyette]

Bull headed, don't know when to stop (especially when insulted) and damn proud of it.

You criticized a guy for doing nothing dangerous and then you cloaked it under the guise of a education namely a engineering degree. That is arrogant…. then you come back and say we are all wrong for any criticism of you and then start to defend your assumptions with engineering issues on steel and stress and weight transfer issues. OK I’ll bite why did you buy the CTD…. hummm can’t wait to hear the answer



Curt

 

[Batman]

Nathanbush

As someone previously stated, Your wife is definately "spirited", I almost thought that was MY wife using your handle .

With these kind of women, just don't know who is tougher , us or our wives

 

[MidwestMotorman]

Dodge proves my point

Anyone remember the old (about 94/95 or so) Dodge commercial of the loaded 3500 (with another on in its bed) hooked by two chains to three other similar loaded Dodges? If a newer one ton is 7500 lbs, times eight trucks, is 60,ooolbs (showing the tach at idle). All pulled level, like my wagons. And this one was not computer generated. The chains were attached to each side of the rear frame somewhere.



Lets see... Dodge shows a commercial of its truck pulling 60k lbs to millions of people, hooked in a less secure method than my hitch, with no shock absorbing devices, and uses this example to sell trucks. I think Dodge engineers were keenly aware their trucks could do this.

 

[RustyJC]

Against my better judgment, I'm going to offer my 2 cents' worth in this discussion (yep, it's coming from another mechanical engineer-type, so take it for what it's worth. )



I really don't care what someone does on their own property - if they want to tow 100,000 lbs on the back 40, that's their own business.



As soon as they venture onto a public road, however, it becomes my business. My family and I could be sharing that road with them, and their overloaded vehicle constitutes a very real danger to me and my family.



So, do I put my money where my mouth is insofar as operating within ratings on public roads is concerned? Yep, we just sold a perfectly good 1996 3500 and bought the 2002 because our current 5th wheel put us over the 1996 truck's 19,000 lb GCVWR.



Rusty

 

[Pull'nOld Iron]

Nathan



Farmers got us to the west coast! We know what our equipment will do and more importantly what it won't!



I wish I could've been there when you pulled into the elevator!



I grew up on a farm and wish I was still there. I can appreciate the feeling of getting the grain in. One winter I had three gravity boxes full of corn to get home in the rain. Although I was in a cab I wan't going to make any more trips than I had to. Being 15 at the time I thought I knew what was what and the 8 mile trip was going to waste too much time.



Picture this, snow covered graveled roads, just warm enough to drizzle. 3 x 185 bushel of corn wagons pushing the 1066 down "suicide hill". I don't know the grade but it's steep.



Needless to say I was at about 1/2 throttle in 2nd gear to keep her slowed down. Well about the time the third wagon got half way down the hill all you know what broke loose. Watching the reel wheels I noticed I was being pushed and the tractor wasn't holding it anymore. I gave it a boost of throttle and jerked them a little straight and caught the tractor up to the load. Then pulled her open and SOMEHOW kept it straight the rest of the way down the hill.



Needless to say the ol'man had to put a new seat on, that one came out of the cab with me !



You learn by experience, and you knew your equipment, the roads and destination. An old farmer once told me he doesn't get too excited about all the drivers who beep the horn at him when he's crawling down the road with a string of wagons or pulling some hay home. Because he gets his *****ing in at the grocery store when he pays $1 for a loaf of bread that has 5 cents worth of his wheat in it.



Somebody is getting the difference, it's not the farmer. Maybe it is the guy blaring the horn at the old farmer trying to make ends meet on two dollar corn!



So take care and get a video next time!!!!