New Recall/TSB Flash

[Jim W]

Yes, The Smarty will lock up and you will not be able to use it if they re-flash the vehicle with the smarty installed. You need to return the vehicle to the factory program and then take it in.

Contact Mads Electronics to see if they have an update yet, or Bob Wagner from Wagner & Associates. You can contact him on this site I belive he is a sponsor here too.

Jim

 

[Bob Wagner]

I have the beta software being tested on a few trucks today. so far all is aok and it should be posted on the MADS site early next week. Thank you

 

[DBithell]

Got the recall done this morning - didn't notice any difference on the 30 mile drive back from the dealer. Thursdays are for going to the dealer yah know.



Per the warranty card (if you still have warranty left) you have to get it done as quote "failure to do so could legally be determined to be a lack of proper maintenance of your vehicle" and "without this repair, your vehicle may fail a state or local emission inspection test. "



SO, does this mean my truck is now fixed? FINALLLY? OR were prior flashes actually increasing the emissions?

 

[DBithell]

I don't think it is logical or fair to blame Dodge or Cummins. They, primarily Cummins, have done an impressive job of creating or perfecting systems that meet the unreasonable no-soot demands of a bunch of twinkle-toed libs who don't like capitalism, automobiles in general (except DC limousines), or trucks in particular.



Perhaps you simply bought the wrong vehicle for your needs. A Cummins is a serious working truck engine. It could be driven as a grocery getter in the old ISB5. 9 configuration and I think my cab and chassis can also, but apparently the heavy load of emissions crap on the new pickups requires a duty cycle with more towing, hauling, and highway speed extended driving.



A GMC gasser is not even in the same vehicle category as your Dodge-Cummins.



I'm worried that the current bunch that runs the federal government will not even allow us to buy (or drive) trucks by 2016.

Rrrright - If I buy an 1/2" drill but really only need a 1/4" drill can I still expect it to drill holes???



Sidenote: July 10 issue of Diesel World page 18: Cummins fined by EPA $2. 1m, apparently 1998 - 2006 shipped 570k heavy duty engines said here these meet the standards, and with your engine here's a box of emissions parts that you the user can put on. Funny.

 

[Champy]

... . Sidenote: July 10 issue of Diesel World page 18: Cummins fined by EPA $2. 1m, apparently 1998 - 2006 shipped 570k heavy duty engines said here these meet the standards, and with your engine here's a box of emissions parts that you the user can put on. Funny.

Just as a clarification to this mis-information... ... Cummins sells ENGINES to an OEM like Paccar; Freightliner; Volvo; Chrysler; etc... - not directly to end-user customers. The OEM is responsible for installing the proper exhaust / emissions control systems (including DPF) that matches the EPA certified receipe for that engine setup. The fine Cummins paid was because the OEMs did not document what emmisions components (DPFs) were actually installed. Cummins has since audited all engines and vehicles with missing documentation and has corrected the paperwork (for the OEMs) on all but a handful of vehicles which could not be found... . and still paid the fine without contesting it.



It was never a "here's a box of parts" approach... which is a really dumb statement. Another example of the level of reporting and credibility you get from some news and magazine articles.....

 

[DBithell]

Hi Champy -

Intersting facts. PCAR is customer - got it. Why would CMI be responsible for OEM's actions/documentation? Seems CMI could have passed the liability onto PCAR. Doesn't really matter to me, just hope my '08 makes it to year 5/100k. Love the truck, hate the emissions and all the bandaids. Also, wonder if something like this caused this new flash to assume recall status vs all the other flashes.

seeya.

 

[daverobb]

'Got my J35 this morning. On the 100 KMs or so back from the dealership, I noticed about 5 LBs more boost, quicker spool up more response in mid and upper ranges and a smother idle. I haven't re-unplugged the EGR yet.

 

[MullenaxM]

There are two reasons for the J35 recall, The high "Soot-Loading" of some of the emission system components would actually cause damage to the component to the point that the exhaust system would emit higher levels of harmful exhaust gases than the current emissions regulations will allow. This is the reason that this current "Flash" made it to recall status.



The second reason for the J35 Recall, The high "Soot-Loading" of some of the Emissions system components will actually cause damage to some of the components necessitating the replacement of the component causing high warranty expense to Chrysler/Cummins.



Many of you that have read any of my posts on this web-site have heard me "harp" about always getting the "Latest and Greatest" flash that is available. Well this one is no different. All the flashes that have come along have fixed one problem or another. I know of only one flash that came out that actually caused more problems than it fixed and that flash came out in early 2007 and was only available for two weeks before it was pulled from the files.



This Flash/Calibration has a number of "Fixes" in it. A lot of the algorithms used have Expanded parameters on the calculation used to set a fault code. So this inturn means less fault codes set which means less or even no "Check Engine" lights coming on. They have added a "EGR" valve cleaning cycle. Which means the EGR valve should be able to clean itself while you drive ( I haven't had a chance to get one to go through the cleaning cycle yet so can't tell you how this works yet) It also raises the trigger point for the De-SOx regeneration event, so inturn there will be less De-SOx regenerations events. In theory this in and of itself should save on fuel usage( Time will tell). They added a Super De-Soot event (Cummins Terminology). All a Super De-Soot event consist of is a long De-Soot regeneration event.



There is also TSB# 18-016-10 that is attached to this Recall that advises the technician to check and make sure that the CCN (overhead console) is also flashed to the latest calibration. This flash calibration provides the owner with information if the DPF is starting to get full. The TSB also advises the technician to print out the last page of the TSB and give it to the vehicle owner. here is a copy of it:



DIESEL EXHAUST AFTERTREATMENT SYSTEM

Your vehicle is equipped with a Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) which is used to clean the

exhaust. The DPF (exhaust filter) will self clean as part of normal vehicle operation. In

some cases, your intervention may be required to allow the self-cleaning process to occur.

WHAT YOU WILL SEE IN THE OVERHEAD DISPLAY

· “ExhaustFilter xx% Full” - Indicates that the DPF is approaching full.

· “Regeneration Required Now” - Indicates you will need to intervene by changing

your driving mode. See Owner Manual.

· “Regeneration in Process” - Indicates the DPF is self-cleaning. Please try to

maintain you current driving condition until regeneration is complete.

· “Regeneration Completed” - DPF self-cleaning is complete.

· “Service Required-See Dealer Now” - Indicated DPF regeneration is not

functioning. Your Check Engine Light (MIL) may come on. Please see dealer.

IMMEDIATE SERVICE IS REQUIRED. Damage to the exhaust system could occur

soon with continued operation.

· “Exhaust Filter FULL - Power Reduced - See Dealer” - Your DPF is full. Engine

power will be reduced to decrease risk of damage. IMMEDIATE SERVICE IS

REQUIRED. Please see dealer immediately. Damage to the exhaust system will

occur with continued operation.

For additional assistance contact Chrysler: 1-800-992-1997

68053000AA



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These are the messages you will see on the Overhead Console.



Mike

 

[JohnBower]

Guess they didn't read the instructions for the recall about the TSB. I didn't get any paperwork telling me about the DPF full info on the overhead console. I hope this doesn't make my mileage worse. I drive this truck in the worst possible conditions of short trips (2 or 3 miles) in town and once or twice a month, it gets to go on the freeway for 30 miles and always does a regen (based on mileage info on overhead). They should have warned me about this truck before I bought it.

 

[MullenaxM]

Guess they didn't read the instructions for the recall about the TSB. I didn't get any paperwork telling me about the DPF full info on the overhead console. I hope this doesn't make my mileage worse. I drive this truck in the worst possible conditions of short trips (2 or 3 miles) in town and once or twice a month, it gets to go on the freeway for 30 miles and always does a regen (based on mileage info on overhead). They should have warned me about this truck before I bought it.

I'm sorry John, I must explain. Your CCN (Cabin Compartment Node, Overhead Console) will only display a message when the DPF gets to a almost full status. This happens when the DPF gets to a Soot-Load of 56 grams of Soot. When it get to 56 grams of Soot Load, the overhead console will come on and read "DPF 80% Full", If you never have a message on your overhead console then you are doing good. The Soot load of your DPF is never getting to the over load point. For more information go here:



https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/6-7l-engine-transmissions-2007-5/213869-regeneration.html



If you had your vehicle in for a "Check Engine" light repair and you received a "CD" and a Sticker attached to the sun visor explaining the overhead console messages, then your overhead console has the latest flash/calibration. When I said the TSB was attached I meant that the TSB was refering to the J35 Recall. If the technician is not aware of the TSB then the update to the CCN might be over looked if it is not already up to date. The TSB came out on 04/30/2010 so you may have had the J35 recall done before the TSB came out.



I know this all sounds confusing, but the most important things to remember is that :



1): This latest Flash/Calibration is a good thing and I feel that most will see a fuel mileage increase (small increase).



2): If you Never see a message on the overhead console that your DPF is full, Thats a good thing.



Mike

 

[daverobb]

I've put on about 1,000 Kms since the J35 install on Friday. The truck idles smoother, there is about 5 lbs more boost at the upper end, the boost spools up faster and in general I like it. I'll see what it has changed in the pulling department this weekend when I set the travel trailer in the hitch.

 

[beezer]

MullenaxM – do you know what the Recall J35 Flash PN should be for my ’09 truck below? Took truck in to dealer today; technician said the truck’s ECM Flash suffix was AE, and the new J35 Flash he loaded up has a suffix of BK. Was sort of expecting a new suffix of A_ . Drove truck home (only 5miles), no issues, will post mpg results with next couple tankfuls. Thanks.



Old BCU# 72351430AE

New BCU# 72351430BK

 

[Bob4x4]

So far all my customers who have had the j 35 flash have been getting some fuel mileage increase. Next week I should be getting a towing report from an 07 2500 pulling a heavy 3 axle toybox

 

[MullenaxM]

MullenaxM – do you know what the Recall J35 Flash PN should be for my ’09 truck below? Took truck in to dealer today; technician said the truck’s ECM Flash suffix was AE, and the new J35 Flash he loaded up has a suffix of BK. Was sort of expecting a new suffix of A_ . Drove truck home (only 5miles), no issues, will post mpg results with next couple tankfuls. Thanks.



Old BCU# 72351430AE

New BCU# 72351430BK

"BK" is the correct suffix for your latest calibration. For some reason the progression went : AB,AE,AF,AJ,AQ,AS,BB,BK. So "AE" to "BK" is correct.





Mike

 

[MullenaxM]

So far all my customers who have had the j 35 flash have been getting some fuel mileage increase. Next week I should be getting a towing report from an 07 2500 pulling a heavy 3 axle toybox

I would be very much interested how the fuel mileage does. Keep us informed Bob.



Thanks, Mike

 

[TKeeler]

J35 Reflash

"The TSB also advises the technician to print out the last page of the TSB and give it to the vehicle owner. here is a copy of it:"



I had the J35 reflash done last Friday and they didn't give me a print out either but I already knew what the overhead console warnings were anyway. So far it looks like the 1st phase of the regen now runs longer than it did before. It appears that I may be getting better mpg but the jury is still out on that... a few more miles will tell.

 

[odinjunior]

I had the recall done today. Sure doesn't take long. Checked my watch as I walked away from the service writer, it said 0650. The cashier paged me at 0722. I didn't even have time to finish my coffee... . lol

 

[DBithell]

have 500 miles on the new flash, don't know if it's better or not

my '08 sure doesn't have the power it had when new - no where near that

but then it was only on the flash it came with for a month - have now lost count and would have to research my records to determine the # of flashes and I know many were skipped



my dealer completed the service quickly too. but any trip to the dealer for anything other than maintenance that the op can't do theirself is one to many IMO

 

[PFranzese]

Had the flash done today as well. Truck definitely idles better, feels just as powerful as before. I also had the gears changed from 4. 10 to 3. 73 under a seperate recall so I am not sure if any changes I feel while driving are from the gear change or the flash but the truck is running absolutely great. This is the only flash this truck has had so far.



On a side note I was given an 09 1500 loaner, not sure which engine was in it but was definitely a V8. I am really glad I have the 2500 diesel, I wouldn't want to tow over any long distance with that thing. It just didn't feel anywhere near as solid as the 2500, I won't even get into the power department!

 

[beezer]

Mullenax - thanks for the feedback on the BK Flash! Haven't used up a tankful of fuel yet, but no issues, seems to run great, the overhead computer indicates mileage is about the same or a little better than before. Also, FYI, noticed, on my EDGE Insight gauge that the BK flash increased the De-SOx trigger point from 4. 5gm up to 5. 9gm.