Competition Nitrous the "right" way....

[COMP461]

NX also make the simple kits , called a stacker , that is very inexpensive , and simple to use ,and its is the same quality parts . the NX SXIId is the top of the line extreme system , with nothing on the market currently close . both set systems are very reasiable in their pricing structure , the races price on the SXIId is les then a thousand , and it can be jetted back as well, the simple system is half that .

The problem with nitrous is , that if you appily more then the motor is capable of at that time , you will put the fire out , a . 125 jet will snuff the fire out on a street truck if turned of to soon , and when it comes on it is brutal , that is a big hit all at once. The performance issue here is sure you can wait until the truck is spooled up , and turn the nitrous on with a hobbs switch , but you have wasted all that time before , that you could have been making time improvements on you short track gains.





Here is something to Remember the best place to make time in a drag race is the first foot , and every foot after that is the next best time, you could add 500 hp the last second to a Pro Street Truck and only gain a small amount of ET , mph would go up at well, but adding 50 hp to the first second , and applying it judicially , will gain you a lot more, and lean on your engine less. The advantage to a total progressive system is you can apply a very small amount of nitrous to the ground as you traction and engine can handle it , gaining precious time in you short game , and these improvements will spell big gains at the end of the track, this is the reason I would for a totally street driven lower hp truck recommend even more the progressive system. Until the others catch up , this is you best bet ,

 

[DennisPerry]

Comp461,



Progressive does not work effectively, I know because we thought it would in the beginning. This is nothing more than smoke and mirrors. The customer gets no more benefit from a progressive unit, and they will in fact make less hp. It is simply a way for the manufacturer to run up the cost of a kit. Maybe on a gas application, but not diesel. You know this explains why we were getting literature requests from NX. :-laf Comp, you can type on here all day long. Today , trucks running the Powerfool2 by TS are at the Albany, GA event running 900 - 1100rwhp with our kit.



Hohn,



Give me a call if you are wanting some tips on nitrous build. Our kits are designed for simplicity, and I'd be happy to help you on your build or just answer your questions. What you are looking to do with your truck can be easily achieved.



David,



Looks like Matt has became a POWERFOOL 2 Keep us updated on the Albany #'s.



Dennis

 

[COMP461]

Comp461,



Progressive does not work effectively, I know because we thought it would in the beginning. This is nothing more than smoke and mirrors. The customer gets no more benefit from a progressive unit, and they will in fact make less hp.

Meaning less expensive, and easy, but not the most technological advanced!! How can progressive systems engineered correctly make less hp, which totally fly’s in the face of common engineering sense.



FACT: if a given solenoid, and jet make X hp then they will make that power with anyone’s systems, when the system if at 100%, whether it American made solenoids, and nozzles, or the Chinese’s made produced, that will potential fail at the worst time .

FACT: you can not use a big jetted system too early in the spool up, or it will put the fire out.

FACT: once the nitrous is on if you bring in to much too early on the track, you can cause traction related problems, IE excessive slip, or Shake.

FACT: the quicker you are able to apply power to the track with out traction or shake problems the faster you go.









The difference is with a progressive system you are able to turn the system on sooner, and thereby apply more power to the ground sooner. In a progressive system once you ramp to 100% there is no difference at all there the solenoid is totally open , so the premise is silly that it would make less power. Now you only need one solenoid for the street, if that is the power level you desire, installing the maximum jet you wish, and then ramping to 100 % at you finger tips on a laptop.

On a total race system you can have two separate stages, and gang up to three solenoids on to each stage.

You know this explains why we were getting literature requests from NX. :-laf

The reason was not for literature, but to offer you a supply of high quality American made solenoids and other nitrous supplies, the other diesel vendors all use the NX supplies for their systems, Already have one of your systems, and was impressed at how simple it was.

This is nothing more than smoke and mirrors. The customer gets no more benefit from a progressive unit, and they will in fact make less hp. It is simply a way for the manufacturer to run up the cost of a kit. Dennis

The NX SXIId system is in reality a great buy , because Nitrous Express’s leadership in the nitrous world, being the largest manufactory of Nitrous product they have the ability to offer their customers a better value of totally America made and reliability products at prices smaller vendors can’t achieve . This totally tested system is top of the line for under a thousand, just out of curiosity how much is the top of the like kit you build Dennis



I am not trying to do a my buddies are better then you buddies deal, , and I know some company’s started in diesel, but when the leader of the Nitrous industry come a long , and the CEO of a company is totally interested and to some extent obsessed with the diesel world , not just from a number crunching view profit achieving point .



The fact that Mike Wood has personally helping me turn wrenches on the worlds quickest diesel truck is something that shows his in the trenches awareness of diesel drag racing.

Mike and his engineering staff have been dynoing diesel produce at their dyno in Wichita Falls Texas. We should feel encouraged that the large corporate world has woken up to the next big thing Diesel drag racing. I don’t know how long other have had nitrous on diesel truck, but Mike had the spray on his 99 Power stroke when it was a little over a week old.

 

[Bernhard]

I put together my own N2O system with a kit I had laying around from my camaro. It was a kit from NOS (the company ) It is the cheater system for a carb. I just went to a local shop and got the dry nozzle for $13. 00 I also got the bung that dry nozzle screws into for $6. 00 .



I took off my intercooler to intake tube, drilled a hole in it, put in the bung, and put it back on. The braided line that went to the carb plate screws onto the dry nozzle.



For activation I made a bracket and used a micro switch that get's tripped when I am full throttle. I have that wired to a arming switch on the dash. I also have a ZEX bottle heater that is controled by a thermastat. That switch is also on the Dash.



Nothing fancy but it works I picked up 71 RWHP on the dyno even though we were low on nitrous. I only had 4LBS on the bottle when I start messing with it.



The NOS cheater solenoid that I have will flow a . 093 jet





Thanks

Brenden

 

[Steve St.Laurent]

I've split this thread where it started to take a downturn away from being informative into banter. If you want to banter take it to that forum. Please keep this thread on topic and clean or I'll shut it down.



-Steve St. Laurent

Lead Moderator

 

[JoshPeters]

I've split this thread where it started to take a downturn away from being informative into banter. If you want to banter take it to that forum. Please keep this thread on topic and clean or I'll shut it down.



-Steve St. Laurent

Lead Moderator

Thanx Steve!



I think some of the banter comes from just regular posts. We don't know that it's going that direction..... till it's already there.



Josh

 

[RacinDuallie]

Comp461,

Progressive does not work effectively, I know because we thought it would in the beginning. This is nothing more than smoke and mirrors. The customer gets no more benefit from a progressive unit, and they will in fact make less hp. It is simply a way for the manufacturer to run up the cost of a kit. Maybe on a gas application, but not diesel. You know this explains why we were getting literature requests from NX. :-laf Comp, you can type on here all day long. Today , trucks running the Powerfool2 by TS are at the Albany, GA event running 900 - 1100rwhp with our kit.


Dennis

Hey Dennis,
Not to give you any disrespect- but:
I see this reply as nothing more than smoke and mirrors. If a progressive system does not work effectively then care to explain why? And you claim that they will in fact make less hp- what is the basis for that quote? Maybe you need to explain your findings in better detail instead of bashing another companies product and touting your own... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...

 

[Turbo Thom]

RD... ... ... ..... Me, personally, does not think Dennis has it in mind to "bash" another product. He has no need to. Dennis is very sucessfull in what he does The issue is Greg trying to promote the Nx stuff because he has them as a sponser. There're his sponser, and that's good. Dennis has put together his own system and it works very well. Basic conversation on here is a hard thing to come by. There is more than one authority on any given subject. On here there is one. Greg. I think Dennis has grown tired of Greg's "condecending" methods of what would be normal communication for most of us.



Another way to put it, personality clash.



. . Preston. .

 

[COMP461]

I truly believe, that the street trucks will benefit from this system more then a truck like I run, I will gain a tenth or so, and easer track management. but a street truck will gain in the ability to tailor the power to the available traction, my intent was never to bash another, I have never said that any other system is junk, but expounded on the fact that I have helped to develop a very well engineered system, that has the potential to bring the tuning ability to the average guy , I don’t really know what the price is for other systems , but this system is a good value, with every thing included .



I have been very open on these forums, giving a lot of knowledge away, and helping any one that asks. The result of some of the advanced engineering that is coming out of this project is going to benefit everyone. Some of the areas are valve train advances, camshaft advances, cam drive advances, oiling system advances, and nitrous and nitrous controller advances. I fell a lot of people feel threaten by this information coming to the surface , has any one of the big number engine builders shown as much as I have , example roller cam bearings , I even give out the part number to the right bearing . And this is a tricky operation, because if you do it wrong you get cam thrust. Camshafts I’ve developed a methods to put billet cams in a stock block, wasn’t easy, but it took a little expertise from a NASCAR engineering guru to make that happen.



I don’t know it all, but I do have a depth in support knowledge, and the ability to put that information and technology’s to use in the context of the projects I have been working on. My current motor is still in my opinion a heavy lazy tractor motor, but I do see the light at the end of the tunnel, I have development work going on , that will surface when the time is right , and it will be the next leap in diesel technology.



This NX system was something that would have never happen with out some forward thinking, and hard work. The begins of this cutting edge system happen when I was made aware of NX ‘s progressive Gas systems , and the incredible successfully record in other nitrous development . I was in NX skunk works R&D faculty, and started laying out the special needs of diesels both street and race , and development a concept

 

[Turbo Thom]

Greg..... Your sharing information is not taken lightly. You help in many areas has taken and appreciated. The only point I'm making is your method of communication is not like friend talking. It's more like, I'm the teacher, you're the pupil, sit down, shut up and listen. What I have to say is the way it is and anything else is just not correct. That's all I've said. It's the method of "teaching".



Still, thanks for all the sharing.



. . Preston. .

 

[DennisPerry]

Unfortunatly You'll have to do that.



There are a couple people around that can't answer questions. They give information, not what you need... . but what is the biggist and best system anywhere.



I wonder if a system with a single nozzle, would be enough?



Josh

Josh,



If you are referring to me? I answered your questions but the moderator pulled it. I not sure why that one got pulled but it did? But if someone wants to call me they can reach me at 270-746-9999.



Dennis

 

[Turbo Thom]

Dennis... ... ... ... . Go up into the banter section and maybe, just maybe, Steve will leave you alone. It's worth a try.



. . Preston. .

 

[COMP461]

The nozzle is the easy part, you can have a single nozzles with up to four paths in to the intake, and each path is 125 of an inch. This is convenient in that you only have to have one hole. I believe that on an intercooler motor the placement should be as soon after the intercooler as possible, to allow the nitrous to give the best cooling effect to the air. My reason for this is that a intercooler works off ambient air temp , and the greater difference you have the greater heat transfer you will get, if you cool the intake charge before the intercooler, you will have less of a differential to work with.



On my truck the nitrous is my intercooler, and will bring turbo out temp down two hundred plus degrees

 

[banshee]

The nozzle is the easy part, you can have different nozzles with up to four paths in to the intake, and each path is 125 of an inch. This is convenient in that you only have to have one hole. I believe that on an intercooler motor the placement should be as soon after the intercooler as possible, to allow the nitrous to give the best cooling effect to the air. My reason for this is that a intercooler works off ambient air temp , and the greater difference you have the greater heat transfer you will get, if you cool the intake charge before the intercooler, you will have less of a differential to work with.



On my truck the nitrous is my intercooler, and will bring turbo out temp down two hundred plus degrees

After doing my own testing with my nitrous system I can vouch that the above advice is pretty much bogus. There is more to nozzles and their placement than you may think. I thank Dennis Perry for his insight on this fact! Without experience you may think that placement is all the same, but it makes an enormous (30+ hp) difference with the same amount of nitrous flowing. Convenience doesn't always lead to the best performance results!!

 

[HoleshotHolset]

COMP(461)867-5309: You've got it all wrong, man... Routing that big 4-way fogger nozzle into that ISB's valve cover isn't going to do much for performance... It might actually affect your oil analysis numbers, though.



Matt

 

[COMP461]

After doing my own testing with my nitrous system I can vouch that the above advice is pretty much bogus. There is more to nozzles and their placement than you may think. I thank Dennis Perry for his insight on this fact! Without experience you may think that placement is all the same, but it makes an enormous (30+ hp) difference with the same amount of nitrous flowing. Convenience doesn't always lead to the best performance results!!

If you use the NX SX2 nozzle, or any other NX nozzle you are getting the finest atomization nozzle on the market, this is a track proven nozzle, NX nozzle are the highest selling diesel market nitrous product .



The real story is up till now a lot of diesel guys have felt that the giant aftermarket vendors were not paying attention to them. I’m sure in the past this was true, as the potential market was so small, and not a mainstream product line. Every one was mad, and said why we don’t get the recognition we deserve for our hard work.

Now with the advent of fast diesel in to the mainstream racing environment, Scott Bentz and myself, and the enormous reaction to this by the large aftermarket vendors, Mike Wood of NX was on the starting line with me at Dallas, and ARP’s and many other big guns in the mainstream world were there either in Dallas, or Pomona to see Scott and Dustin’s run, the marketing guys woke up.



You may not like it, you may not like me, but this is a fact. I have worked the phone lines hard, pleading the case of the next big thing,,,,,,, Diesel. Having a successful history of producing excellent results working with these vendors in the past, I set about to steer the agenda of the corporate world. These vendors see the potential of the growing diesel market, and the demographic it brings with it, and it belches black smoke.





These vendors are gearing up to give everyone the products we deserve, with out the over inflated prices.

You ask for it ,,,,,,, its here , its going to be exciting , the prices are going to get competitive , and the value is going to get better ,

 

[KLockliear]

Nitrous kits are nothing new to the diesel world. We've been using them and selling them since 2001. All of our components are NX stuff. I believe we were the first to offer NX parts to the diesel market, from back in the days when Brain Havins was the PR guy.



Anyway, it's not rocket science - and not new, even though NX has finally started packaging their own kits.

 

[csutton7]

BullyDog supplied my Nitrous Express kit back in '01 also--not sure who was first, but they were right there also---chris

 

[DRAG DIESEL]

If you use the NX SX2 nozzle, or any other NX nozzle you are getting the finest atomization nozzle on the market, this is a track proven nozzle, NX nozzle are the highest selling diesel market nitrous product .

Serious question...



If liquid n2o boils in our atmosphere at -127*F. What are you atomizing... gas? How does one atomize a gas? Using the term atomize, meaning reduction of infinitesimal particles aka: liquid... wouldn't the proper term for doing the same to gas be distribution?



I just find it hard to believe that the entire nitrous line could remain below -127*F. all the way out to the tip of the nozzle.



And greg, i am not picking on you this time :-laf , i am truly curious.

 

[COMP461]

COMP(461)867-5309: You've got it all wrong, man... Routing that big 4-way fogger nozzle into that ISB's valve cover isn't going to do much for performance... It might actually affect your oil analysis numbers, though.



Matt

Oil? I know there was something I forgot,