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I blame your lack of education on your inability to function in the diesel world. As usual you don't have a clue but you insist on showing your ignorance to us all.



Let me ask you this... ... ... If you were so happy with your old twin turbo setup why did you go to a single? I'll tell you why..... because we have been doing since we started racing diesels and it is proven. It is very easy to sit back and skate off of the shirt tales others.





Dennis
 
lol, your funny , but I didn't even know you ran a single , but I only keep up with the leaders .





In reality its was a weight factor that got me started on a single turbo development program, I had bee talking to Mike woods for a long time and for at least a year , he had advised me to loose the second turbo and use nitrous . The finale piece of the puzzle was when Wes Snow showing up to my Halloween part with the new PHAT SHAFT 72 Industrial injection custom racing single turbo. All I had to do was take one look at the advanced engineering work that went in to the CNC compressor , and the die was cast .

I moved forward, the next business day, I was on the phone with Brady and Shane and with their commitment to my program a great friendship was established . Brady was so confident in my in-depth engineering based development program for the diesel drag racing he asked Wes to had me the turbo and away this went .

Greg form ZZ fabrication , who was the former chief fabrication guy for Eddie Hill and NX custom fabrication guy , was enlisted to do all the work on this project , along with my 5 stage dry sump system and intake manifold and now my new stainless headers . NX was there all the way to the big dyno numbers, on a green motor





I sure I really don’t know much , anyone can do this right , maybe you can be the anyone that dose .
 
COMP461 said:
lol, your funny , but I didn't even know you ran a single , but I only keep up with the leaders .





In reality its was a weight factor that got me started on a single turbo development program, I had bee talking to Mike woods for a long time and for at least a year , he had advised me to loose the second turbo and use nitrous . The finale piece of the puzzle was when Wes Snow showing up to my Halloween part with the new PHAT SHAFT 72 Industrial injection custom racing single turbo. All I had to do was take one look at the advanced engineering work that went in to the CNC compressor , and the die was cast .

I moved forward, the next business day, I was on the phone with Brady and Shane and with their commitment to my program a great friendship was established . Brady was so confident in my in-depth engineering based development program for the diesel drag racing he asked Wes to had me the turbo and away this went .

Greg form ZZ fabrication , who was the former chief fabrication guy for Eddie Hill and NX custom fabrication guy , was enlisted to do all the work on this project , along with my 5 stage dry sump system and intake manifold and now my new stainless headers . NX was there all the way to the big dyno numbers, on a green motor





I sure I really don’t know much , anyone can do this right , maybe you can be the anyone that dose .





Comp46123373522436,



Please refer to my above post... ... ... ... You are an Idiot!



Dennis
 
Justin, when you burn fuel and oxygen and make big power, you make a lot of exhaust volume, and that exhaust has to go somewhere... squeezing 500hp worth of exhaust through a 12cm housing is a bad idea IMHO.
 
OK guys... since we have a ******* match going on... ...



Dennis... . Why does Comp's system loose power. By what he is saying, and common sense... . it seems to "make sense" to me.



All I'm seeing right now is name calling.



Please guys, Don't let WHO is in the conversation cloud the information. That goes for everyone! I think this thread could be a wealth of knowlege if people will just talk facts instead of BS.



JMHO

Josh
 
I agree the keyboard yapping is going know where!

one question I would like to see answered though is how each brand of engine responds horsepower wise to a given size jet.

For example my truck runs 117mph in the 1/4 on a single turbo on #2 only. With the TS Powerfool 2 kit I have 2 . 080 jets and pick up 5 mph.

During some dyno testing we picked up 50rwhp with a . 055 jet then another 52 with a. 060 jet.



I am also interested in what someone else said above about trying to push a large amount of exhaust gas through a small turbine housing. With a GT42 R that has a 1. 15 turbine housing I am seeing 80 psi which is slightly out of it's efficiency range and will be going to a GT45R. I hope to see a substantial increase in power with the added flow and efficiency.
 
Powerstroke racer said:
I agree the keyboard yapping is going know where!

one question I would like to see answered though is how each brand of engine responds horsepower wise to a given size jet.

For example my truck runs 117mph in the 1/4 on a single turbo on #2 only. With the TS Powerfool 2 kit I have 2 . 080 jets and pick up 5 mph.

During some dyno testing we picked up 50rwhp with a . 055 jet then another 52 with a. 060 jet.



I am also interested in what someone else said above about trying to push a large amount of exhaust gas through a small turbine housing. With a GT42 R that has a 1. 15 turbine housing I am seeing 80 psi which is slightly out of it's efficiency range and will be going to a GT45R. I hope to see a substantial increase in power with the added flow and efficiency.



David and I know you already understand this, and guess you are just asking rhetorical questions to move this thread away for the disrupters. First you have to look at nitrous as having the ability to accomplish two different tasks, both beneficial to any internal combustion, and a diesel is in to that category.

To put it simply nitrous is turbo in a bottle, and as an a intercooler, when it is introduced in to the intake track as a cryogenic the volume it takes up , is more then compensated by the cooling effect making the intake charge more dense. Now to the turbo aspect of nitrous , you can gain power with nitrous simply by adding it as additional source of oxygen to the mix , but if you are going to really try and make big power , you must engineer the motor to compliment the nitrous . First you must make sure you have additional fuel, this is the easy part, and next you must make sure you are able to bypass the extra exhaust gasses that will be produced.



On my engine we monitored the turbine speed, and back pressure, and were able to control them once the turbine boost leveled out , we watched as back pressure , and turbine speed went up, we then trimmed the waste gate to bypass these excessive , and unneeded gasses .



An easer way to look at this is think of a turbo as a turbo-supercharger. You have a turbine that develop power from the pressure, and velocity of you spent exhaust gasses, this is not free, it cost in heat combustion chamber heat , and back pressure . this power is transferred to a super charger , now in the normal none nitrous world , you carefully balance these to achieve a range where the turbine is not to restrictive and makes enough power to drive the charger , and regulates back pressure with a bypass , or waste gate .





On a purpose built nitrous motor you size the charge much bigger, and the exhaust turbine a little bigger, remember you have a abundance of drive pressure available once things start to make power, and the motor gets up on the charger. Now comes the critical part, you need a much larger capacity to bypass extra gasses that you don’t need for the turbine this calls for a much larger wastegate . this motor off the bottle would be very laggy , and might not even get up on the charger, but on the juice it will come alive , not only using the nitrous for extra power , but the bigger charger is more efficient , and delivers a denser charge to the motor.
 
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Wouldnt hurt to have a cam with some grinds for nitrous



If yr pushing max boost why not wastegate it at peek power ? Or is 80 psi the peek yr engine is making with that # ?
 
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Lest we forget about our 2-stroke brothas and sistahs...



Doug Doring has been running nitrous for a very, very long time (at least 10 years... ). With that said, he also once said that our little Cummins would never be able to keep up with a modified Detroit. He was a pioneer, but a little myopic in a lot of ways.



Matt
 
Doug was the pioneer in the diesel world , and deserves more recognition that truck of his is something else. I have talked to him on many occasions . the motors he run , are left over aluminum V8 92 or 72 Detroit diesel , he was also the first to compete in NHRA super gas with a diesel
 
COMP461 said:
Just talked to Mike Woods of Nitrous Express , and the two stage variable controlled NXIId system is priced at $839. 00 complete I will give any one on here my discount , with is less then that







Do you have to have a lap-top PC in order to have this set-up ? I recall you talking about using the lap-top for adjust-ability, or something of the like.
 
You can tune it on any computer.



The lap-top just has the advantage of portability. Hence fine tuning at the drag strip, dyno etc...



But, once the system is set-up then there really isn't too much need to carry a computer with you.



I ran this system as a beta tester for a few months with the K31 as a single charger. (Started November)



Much smoother power than my 2 stage boost (hobbs) set-up.



I can hit the truck with much more nitrous than before and according to my data-logger my drive pressures don't spike as hard. All this due to the progressive controller instead of just having two stages of nitrous. (Two BIG stages of nitrous).





I did great with the hobbs set-up and continue to use the hobbs on my Duramax. But, once tuned correctly the progressive just works so much better for my application.



One of the cool things about the progressive controller w/an in cab lap-top; is being able to press one button and be able to switch to my "valet mode" nitrous file. Basically When I launch in valet mode and try to race (only use valet to launch when I don't have my ET Streets on) I'm able to run a smaller amount of nitrous and have it tuned to the amount of fuel that I have at launch. Then it ramps up about 100 feet out and I turn off my valet and have full fuel.



Really cool deal once tuned.





Sorry for the long post.



Also back to the original post.



Nitrous on a stock charger can be done, but i wouldn't recomend it.



I made 514 on a stock 35. But, I also managed to blow a few of them up doing it. Forrest is right- Drive pressure will jump dramatically, and the stock charger will not like it.





Later,

Wes
 
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