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The reason for 4 solenoids is the need volume of nitrous is such that four are needed. I spool on the trans brake , with one solenoid , this is accomplished by the NX SX II d two stage progressive controller . This initial stage is brought on at about 20% of the full on flow of that one solenoid, and is ramped up to 100% as the motor will take the nitrous , and this aids in spooling the turbo. Just as I let off the Tran brake, the second stage comes on , this stage is a made up of up to the other three solenoids . this stage is ramped in at the truck goes down the track and is able to take the power , and is fully programmable. This system is the ultimate and way to extreme for most sets up , but the controller is the same one used in the street set up. This controller pulses the solenoids at a programmable frequency . in the past variable controller would work by opening and closing the solenoids faster and faster as more nitrous was needed. The NX system lets you pick the frequency that you choose . but they recommend no faster the 16 times a second , thru a great deal of R&D they have found that this gives the best life span for the solenoids , and in testing has shown that there is no degradation in there life span over non progressive system. After you chouse the number of times a second that you cycle the solenoids , you pick the time , and the percentage you want the nitrous to come on, this is easily as dragging a graph on the computer screen. This gives you the ability to bring on , nitrous and hold that percentage , and then ramp it up again , and hold , until the solenoids are fully on.



Here are the specs of this NX controller



· 2 independent channels

· Programmable ramp times (0. 1 - 10. 0 sec)

· Programmable delay times (0. 1 - 10. 0 sec)

· RPM or Time based linear ramp or multi-point curve

· Integrated wide-open-throttle detection

· 1st gear lock-out

· User configurable for rising or falling TPS signal

· Supports low voltage tach signals as low as 3 volts

· Works with irregular tach signals such as V10 and 3cyl

· Easy to use graphic set-up menus using PC USB

· Inputs for manual enable/disable or transmission brake, throttle position, tach signal

· Integrated LEDs for WOT, stage 1 RPM window, stage 2 RPM window

· High current solenoid driver with 40 amp load capacity (continuous duty)









The 2-STAGE PROGRESSIVE CONTROLLER combines the functions of a 2-STAGE TPS AND RPM WINDOW SWITCH and HIGH CURRENT SOLENOID DRIVER all into one very compact module. It can progressively drive two channels, each with a 40 amp load capacity (continuous duty). The device also supports low-voltage OEM, V10 or 3 cylinder TACH signals without the need for additional adapters. It works with most OEM throttle position sensors including most drive-by-wire vehicles. This device also includes a "real curve" ramp which allows you to create a progressive curve instead of just a ramp, and the ramp can be either time based or RPM based. All this and only the size of a spark plug box.

The 2-STAGE PROGRESSIVE CONTROLLER is built for the racing environment to withstand heat, vibration, dirt and water. It is designed to operate over the temperature range from -40 to +185 degrees Fahrenheit (-40 to +85 degrees Celsius).
 
It was something V lol, he told me they were out of navy seal river insertion boats from the Vietnam era. I have talked to a few people that have seen

It run, and it would black track, to the 330 .





NX got it on the web now , if any one wants one ,that is the lowest price and distributer can put in print , PM me , because you never know what extras you get , ;)



http://www.shopatron.com/product/product_id=NEINXD4000/300.0.10409.9408.0.0.0
 
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COMP461 said:
Just talked to Mike Woods of Nitrous Express , and the two stage variable controlled NXIId system is priced at $839. 00 complete I will give any one on here my discount , with is less then that



Who cares?



What does this mean to anyone other than you?



Is NX a sponsor of TDR?



If not why are you helping to promote their kit?



Sure someone gave you a light truck with components familiar to you from your previous drag racing experience but the fact is you helped throw some [stuff] together to make a pass on this miraculous nitrous system that you have zero video to substantiate.



Guess what? You're light years ahead of me as far as a drag racer but I have 3 years of personal video to back up the fact Dennis and his TS Performance Pro Street 24V had DIESEL nitrous figured out a long time before your NX pals did! You seem to like to talk about consistency so guess what? While TS didn't win every race I video'd the fact is you could bet in Vegas on their pass ET! Try that with a Mickey Mouse diesel nitrous kit!!!!!!!!!!!!



I have these videos because I have watched this TS truck run across the east coast of the greatest country in the world.



I have news for you pal. While I am only a small fry in my little pond, when I decide to add nitrous to make my 3620# 2 liter 4 popping TDI Passat to make it faster than it already is surpassing the world record I already hold I'm calling TS not NX.



While that might not mean squat to you or anyone on here driving the finest inline 6 cylinder on the planet, my primary decision process is based on Jeff Garmon (in addition to the TS truck) who's 6. 5 miles from home that also started at 951 HP on nitrous not to mention the 1055 HP he also made at the WHEEL.



Did anyone ever post that he still chugs smoke like a freight train at 1055? Do I need to explain that to you or do I need to explain how many parts on his truck are STOCK Cummins not from some nationally recognized speed shop?



The bottom line is your $30-60K motor isn't squat compared to the grandfathers of this sport (like Garmon and Perry) regardless of what nitrous system you try to promote.



For $19. 95 plus shipping and handling I will send you Diesel Motors on REAL Nitrous for Dummies.



I only accept verifed Paypal though so don't get any ideas.
 
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Farfignugen WITH SMOKE!! WOW,



Just in case your new, I ran o, zero, none nada nitrous on the 8. 72 pass, the 8. 51, and 8. 54 pass the next day were with the system on,



But I’ll be back to the track soon, and no, I don’t worry about videos



And to who ever you were that called, and conveyed their opinions about me to my friends at NX how much you and few others really think of me here, lol, and then ordered a system thanks. I’m flattered.
 
COMP461 said:
Farfignugen WITH SMOKE!! WOW,



My fault.



I didn't know you were brand loyal because one week you have the baddest Cummins on the planet the next GM thinks you are the Duramax god.



My apologies because I get confused easily.





















































































































Not!
 
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Played with a TDI bug last year, we put injectors, and a module, and made about 141 rwhp with nothing but the hint of smoke, was a fun ride, and got some incredible fuel economy. I really believe that smoke is not always a sign of additional fuel available to make more power, but fuel that might be injected to late to really make a difference.
 
AKives said:
Who cares?



What does this mean to anyone other than you?



Is NX a sponsor of TDR?



If not why are you helping to promote their kit?



Sure someone gave you a light truck with components familiar to you from your previous drag racing experience but the fact is you helped throw some [stuff] together to make a pass on this miraculous nitrous system that you have zero video to substantiate.



Guess what? You're light years ahead of me as far as a drag racer but I have 3 years of personal video to back up the fact Dennis and his TS Performance Pro Street 24V had DIESEL nitrous figured out a long time before your NX pals did! You seem to like to talk about consistency so guess what? While TS didn't win every race I video'd the fact is you could bet in Vegas on their pass ET! Try that with a Mickey Mouse diesel nitrous kit!!!!!!!!!!!!



I have these videos because I have watched this TS truck run across the east coast of the greatest country in the world.



I have news for you pal. While I am only a small fry in my little pond, when I decide to add nitrous to make my 3620# 2 liter 4 popping TDI Passat to make it faster than it already is surpassing the world record I already hold I'm calling TS not NX.



While that might not mean squat to you or anyone on here driving the finest inline 6 cylinder on the planet, my primary decision process is based on Jeff Garmon (in addition to the TS truck) that's 6. 5 miles from home that also started at 951 HP on nitrous not to mention the 1055 HP he also made at the WHEEL.



Did anyone ever post that he still chugs smoke like a freight train at 1055? Do I need to explain that to you or do I need to explain how many parts on his truck are STOCK Cummins not from some nationally recognized speed shop?



The bottom line is your $30-60K motor isn't squat compared to the grandfathers of this sport (like Garmon and Perry) regardless of what nitrous system you try to promote.



For $19. 95 plus shipping and handling I will send you Diesel Motors on REAL Nitrous for Dummies.



I only accept verifed Paypal though so don't get any ideas.







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:-laf :-laf
 
COMP461 said:
Played with a TDI bug last year, we put injectors, and a module, and made about 141 rwhp with nothing but the hint of smoke, was a fun ride, and got some incredible fuel economy. I really believe that smoke is not always a sign of additional fuel available to make more power, but fuel that might be injected to late to really make a difference.





Considering that the Fat Rabbit made 169 and still needs tuning, the smoke would indicate to me that it needs more air. Maybe Andy could change his signature to something like this:





QUICKEST DIESEL PASSAT ON THE PLANET



One more time calling out the Dr. Performance Bug



:-laf :-laf
 
COMP461 said:
Played with a TDI bug last year, we put injectors, and a module, and made about 141 rwhp with nothing but the hint of smoke, was a fun ride, and got some incredible fuel economy. I really believe that smoke is not always a sign of additional fuel available to make more power, but fuel that might be injected to late to really make a difference.



Comp- Stop now.



I have 250 WHP injectors running off an ECM program that was only meant to drop my ET from 18 to 16 and an OEM turbo that might be capable of 200 WHP. This is like Jeff Garmon telling a 6 liter customer the programmer he is selling him will make 400 RWHP on the dyno but his [Jeff's] race truck makes 1055 RWHP.



Its apples to lettuce.



Don't worry about my success regardless of how pity. Concentrate on why you have wimpy flywheel HP.



If I wanted to show-out on TDR I would buy a 06 Cummins @ 0% for up to 60 months right now (like I've talked about haphazardly for a year) then take it to Jeff Garmon's for 2 days then run a 12 in the 1/4 on a minimal amount of his work.



Instead I'll wait until diesel is $3-4 per gallon this summer or beyond and sell my car for as much or more than I paid for it with 50k+ on the clock (if you don't believe me then look up 05 VW Passat diesel on autotrader.com) then I might just get me a deeply discounted Dodge and still run a 12. While a 12 isn't much of Jeff's capabilities the fact is he can make it run a 12 on fuel reliably for the 1000 miles per week I drive which makes it really cool in my book. Worst case is a TS nitrous kit makes it run a measly 11 second 1/4 mile. :eek:



Don't misunderstand me here because I'm not talking on behalf of Jeff or Dennis.



I simply think they walk on water in their business/careers and niche's that they have built/created for themselves from next to nothing. :cool:



While I have don't have much of a clue about their up-bringing, I grew up dirt poor with nothing more than a roof over my head, food on the table, clothes on my back and parents with ambition for themselves and their kids.



From all that work and determination my dad built two [still] ultra-successful businesses from nothing and he still owns them both today and now my mom now only works because she wants to though she would work 70 hrs per week on a whim if she were needed.



I've learned more form this than the 16 years I spent in school and college plus the last 12 years I've spent in my career. Those 12 years have built me a nice career between simply my word and my reputation not arrogant posts on a message board or pushy sales tactics.



The moral of this story is: You are darn right I root for and defend the 'little' yet 'proven' underdog(s) (even un-proven for all I care) who make their living based off their reputation, reliability and shop 'promo' truck ET not their eBay 'buy it now' price especially when he/they have proven themselves as diesel drag racing leaders time and time again!!!



Does "tread lightly" and "pick your battles" mean anything to you Comp because one slip that *could* go with any ride doesn't make you king or god whether the discussion is about nitrous or Cummins?



Life is really as simple as you make it and IMO it doesn't get much better than that. Oo.



Does anyone else on TDR root for the little self-made small business owner like I do?????
 
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Timbeaux38 said:
Considering that the Fat Rabbit made 169 and still needs tuning, the smoke would indicate to me that it needs more air. Maybe Andy could change his signature to something like this:





QUICKEST DIESEL PASSAT ON THE PLANET



One more time calling out the Dr. Performance Bug



:-laf :-laf



:-laf :-laf :-laf :-laf
 
What's with all the personal attack / kill the messenger posts here? If progressive isn't the way to go, make your case in a reasonable, coherent, objective, manner.
 
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Take it to the banter forum guys - that's why we created it. The competition forum is here to talk about the technical side of things and the politics are to be left to the banter forum. I'm on my cell phone right now so I can't edit this thread. I will move the off topic posts tonight when I get to a pc.



-Steve St. Laurent

lead moderator
 
jwilliams3 said:
Comp,

What kind of power combo do you run on your daily driver?



:confused:





My daily driver, is what ever I decide to drive from the dealership where I race my comp car out of , but usually is a ¾ diesel. . we put injectors in about 10 or these a week, and they start out at 270 on our dyno, and the injectors put then to around 390 to 405 , with zero smoke , some times Ill put a Dr Performance module on top , and bump that to a total of 475 to 480. But that is above the limit I like to run on a demo, with a stock turbo. Have put a SPS 62 on one and it made 530, but this was to be sold to a hot shot driver , so I only had the truck for a few days . My other ride is a 71 roadster Corvette 454.
 
There is nuthing and I mean NUTHING finer than blowing the doors off a Corvette in a little stoplight action!!Oo. Oo.

I can't wait to see the scowls they have when they come to the next light... ... . :-laf :-laf

4 wheel drive launches at their finest!






(and that's without a bottle, twice the weight,less aerodynamic,2 less cylinder's and good ol #2!- Y-all can feel me on that rite?)
 
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Steve St. Laurent said:
Take it to the banter forum guys - that's why we created it. The competition forum is here to talk about the technical side of things and the politics are to be left to the banter forum. I'm on my cell phone right now so I can't edit this thread. I will move the off topic posts tonight when I get to a pc.



-Steve St. Laurent

lead moderator





This whole thread has been in the weeds since it's inception. You might as well move the whole thing to the banter forum.
 
AKives said:
Comp- Stop now.



I Don't misunderstand me here because I'm not talking on behalf of Jeff or Dennis.



I simply think they walk on water in their business/careers and niche's that they have built/created for themselves from next to nothing. ?[/B]



Well... Dennis walks on something, but it ain't water!!! :-laf
 
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