OK - Now DC wants to build a 400 HP Hemi???

[hammersley]

Let's be realistic - how many folks want to buy a GAS HOG at these fuel prices???????? I would think economy would be a better sell... .....

 

[TxDieselKid]

It would be cool in a sports car, but for a truck?

 

[abdiver]

Let's be realistic - how many folks want to buy a GAS HOG at these fuel prices???????? I would think economy would be a better sell... .....

I agree But the industry would not do what it is doing if they didn't have the sales.



I grew up on a ranch we used to have jeeps with 4 wheel drive as we needed a 4x4. Since 74 have owned 4x4 Fords and Dodges. But since the early 80's the prices on 4x4's have gone up, the price driven up by kids who pretty much drive on asphalt with no real need for a 4x4 except it is now Cool.



I am amazed at all the after market stuff to increase hp AKA performance.



Now don't get me wrong nothing wrong with anyone sinking lots of $$ into their truck. Each to their own, but I am starting to rethink my new Dodge purchase as 2. 50/gallon for fuel is a bit much especially when it will cost about 6,000 more to first upgrade to the Diesel.



I was planning on pulling a 26' airstream and my boat (not at the same time) but I am now thinking about a Toyota and a lite trailer or 5th. I know a Toyota is not equal to a CTD but I can modify or after some soul searching I might just say F_ _ K it and get a CTD.



As I can well afford it but I do not have a son to offer up for oil I guess I will have to rely on someone else's.

 

[mattymac]

8. 1L Chebby! Not to many of those on the road.



Plus some people are stuck on gas power. I like the idea of having options for high HP motors in any truck even if it is gas. Just like my diesels, none of them have ever been stock, and if I had a gasser then I bet it would have a supercharger and all the goods.

 

[nickleinonen]

they already have a 425hp hemi coming. 6. 1 liter. going to be in the SRT-8 chrysler 300... [and hopefully in the magnum too ]



i think i remember reading about a sustem that DC has to kill 4 of the 8 cylinders while driving under light load. that will give you good fuel economy and good power when you get on it. i don't know if it is in production yet though

 

[TBeckman]

The 8 to 4 cylinder system is in effect becuase it's in the '05 Magnum my dad picks up in about a week. Supposed to get mid 20's on the highway due to the system. I'll wait to I see it do that before I claim the system works.

 

[0013]

id rather see a 400 HP CUMMINS. oh and 700 FT TQ. have a nice day.

 

[Todd T]

My 05 Magnum has the 340HP Hemi and if i can afford it i will be standing in line next year for the 425HP Hemi Magnum or a new Charger. ours gets 20+ daily and i wouldnt care if it got half that.



with the attention this car gets, its worth any price I pay for gasoline. Shoot i have had people in the opposing lane stop traffic to tell me they "love My Magnum". No joke!



I'm looking quite forward to the SEMA show next week to see what goodies i can buy in the future to get me even more HP. I want a roots type supercharger like the concept car had on it. Whipple, made that and they are denying producing one for the puplic. Kenny Belle is supposed to be close with a kit, we'll see.



the MDS system works fine. my only complaint is with the flowmaster exhaust i put on, you can actually hear the car running now and you can also hear the exhaust tone change when the cyls. drop and come back on now.



One more reason is just like we enjoy our hopped up trucks, today's soccer moms and house wifes enjoy driving a good 13. 8 sec 94MPH qtr mile ET station wagon? I know my wife LoVeS it!

 

[hammersley]

Honest Guys - Isn't anybody concerned about the

High Cost of gas for these hogs???????????????????? If not how about $5. 00/gallon - will that stop it????

 

[DHess]

Actually, gas for these hogs is running 10-20 cents a gallon LESS than diesel for my pickup. And the hogs are getting better mileage. And I do have a 300C on order (over 3 months and still no build date). Can't blame the manufacturer for making something that sells.



Dave

 

[lmills]

Well, comparing a 3400 pound car is a little different than a 7,000 truck that has the aerodynamics of a brick wall. Hemi or not you should do a little better on fuel mileage. If you compare apples to apples you won't see the same result. My buddy ownes one of each. A half ton with a hemi and a 3/4 ton with a CTD. The CTD gets 4-5 miles to the gallon better, will haul more and already weighs more. The half ton is a short bed regular cab. The diesel is a quad cab short bed.



Would I buy a hemi powered magnum or 300C? He!! yes!

 

[Rosco]

If the 400hp Hemi your refering to is the yet to released 6. 1 slated for the truck's then I feel it's nessesary. If you want to tow heavy with a Dodge right now you need to opt for the Cummins. However, many peolpe don't like diesels because of the premium you pay for the engine (and currently fuel) or because they're old school and think diesels are stinky sleds . Therefore, if the current Hemi is not up to the task of towing their big horse trailer or fifth wheel camper they will either get a ford V-10 or a GM 8. 1 gasser. So in order for DC to remain competitive, a high HP Hemi is needed.

 

[Hohn]

My 05 Magnum has the 340HP Hemi and if i can afford it i will be standing in line next year for the 425HP Hemi Magnum or a new Charger. ours gets 20+ daily and i wouldnt care if it got half that.



with the attention this car gets, its worth any price I pay for gasoline. Shoot i have had people in the opposing lane stop traffic to tell me they "love My Magnum". No joke!



I'm looking quite forward to the SEMA show next week to see what goodies i can buy in the future to get me even more HP. I want a roots type supercharger like the concept car had on it. Whipple, made that and they are denying producing one for the puplic. Kenny Belle is supposed to be close with a kit, we'll see.



the MDS system works fine. my only complaint is with the flowmaster exhaust i put on, you can actually hear the car running now and you can also hear the exhaust tone change when the cyls. drop and come back on now.



One more reason is just like we enjoy our hopped up trucks, today's soccer moms and house wifes enjoy driving a good 13. 8 sec 94MPH qtr mile ET station wagon? I know my wife LoVeS it!

Yeah, it's a quality of life issue! If I can't afford my truck anymore, I'll get rid of it. But I'd sell a lot of things first



The fuel price market is pretty crazy right now. I wouldn't be making any major decisions based on it. Remember-- high prices are a strong incentive to increase supply.



When the hurricanes hit FL, everyone was whining about "price gouging" as generators went from $150 to $500 overnight. Guess what happened?



People from other states FLOODED the area with generators hoping to make money. The price came back down, because supply caught up with demand.



Generators are now the same price as they were before. Plywood is starting to come back down.



If we truly want lower fuel prices (gas and diesel), then we need to:

-- outlaw all the different "blends" of fuel that vary from state to state

-- increase refining capacity



The oil price right now has a LOT of speculation built into it. It's going to hurt for a while, but not forever. It's still nowhere near as bad as the '73 embargo or the early 80s. Anyone have gas lines in their area? I didn't think so. Let's keep it in perspective. We in America lead pretty privileged lives, so we can take a little pain when those privileges are cramped a bit. We're tough like that. .



Justin

 

[y-knot]

Yes there is a lot of difference between the car powered by a Hemi and a CTD, but the thread invited the cars with the title about Hem's. So like it or not, here we are.

I personally like the Hemi powered Cars and Trucks, I see no reason not to like them, nor do I see any reason to fear them, there is plenty of room on the road for all of us.

I like the Multi cylinder disengagement system Chrysler has come up with on their Hem's, heck you get to have the power and the economy all in one package. Seems like the Magnum and Cherokee and the only ones to get the new system thou, kind of sucks for the pick-up guy's doesn't it? I wonder why they don't offer it in the pick-UPS? All the reports I have read say the system is great. I think it would revolutionize the truck market if they would just use it in the trucks, maybe they are worried about losing Cummins engine equipped truck sales? I think alot of folks would rather have the Hemi system then the diesel system now. Gas around here is a good 20-30 cents cheaper then diesel, and these trucks would get better mileage then the diesel ones.

I'm not sure about the Magnums towing capacity, but it should be able to tow 9500lbs like the Cherokee. That would make it a great attentive to the diesel truck for many people. It's lower, faster, easier to park and doesn't look so hokey as a truck, I can see many liking the magnum right now it is even very stylish,and sheek.

The pick-up truck has too many things against it right now to be a good seller, most manufacturers can not give them away with the prices of fuel continuing to climb. Poor economy, record high job loss, record high oil prices (every day a new record is set), and an uncertain future have truck makers very worried with regard to sales. Heck they have to offer extreme rebates and low or no interest loans to get people into their showrooms. I think the SUV's and trucks will take a noise dive for the next couple of years, in fact the large SUV's i believe will never recover and vanish from the market place. This kind of reminds me of the late 70's when gas prices shot sky high and the truck market almost shut down. Their were very few 77,78,79,80 model trucks sold. Only difference is now the manufacturers have decent smaller more fuel efficient cars then they had back then, so maybe they will not throw together the junkie econo-boxers like the Pinto, Chevett, and Tempo of old.

I have a feeling the aftermarket is going to take a huge hit, as the prices continue to go up,people are just not going to have the extra money to invest in their trucks and cars.

 

[JyRO]

I don't believe the SUV's or trucks will disappear any time soon. There's one particular SUV that's peaked my interest of late. The Lexus RX-400. The 400 is basically the same body as the RX-330, but will have a gas-hybrid system in it. From what I've read it will have more h. p. and will be quicker than the RX-330. Supposed to get in low to mid 30's for fuel mileage too! It may be a bit too small for me though (since I'm working on my 3rd kid as we type), so I'm waiting on a hybrid Sequoia (hope it happens too).



- JyRO

 

[RustyJC]

I'd take a 400-425 BHP Hemi Magnum to replace my wife's 5. 9L (360 cid) Durango in a minute. Performance and fuel economy would both improve significantly.



It's like we say about RVing - If ya can't afford to PAY, then you'd best not PLAY.



Rusty

 

[gonzo2]

Test drove a Magnum R/T yesterday. This is one sweet ride.

If they want to add even more hp, I say bring it on, especially when the get pretty decent mileage (but not when I'm driving). The smaller motors are available, they just can't sell them!

Now if I could just get a Hemi in the wifes Caravan..... :{

 

[lmills]

Yes there is a lot of difference between the car powered by a Hemi and a CTD, but the thread invited the cars with the title about Hem's. So like it or not, here we are.

I personally like the Hemi powered Cars and Trucks, I see no reason not to like them, nor do I see any reason to fear them, there is plenty of room on the road for all of us.

Actually I couldn't give a rats @ss about whether someone has a hemi or not. If you had taken the time to read the post completely you would have known what I meant. I personally love the hemi. I also drool over the SRT-10 What I was talking about was the comparison of a hemi powered car getting just as good of fuel mileage as a diesel powered vehicle that has twice as much weight. That's all it was in reference to.

 

[EBottema]

The hemi's in the Dodge pickups are not real Hemi's. If I was a lawyer, I would sue them for false advertisment. A hemi has a domed piston, not a flat top

 

[RustyJC]

A hemi has a domed piston, not a flat top

Not necessarily. What makes a hemi is a combustion chamber shape in the head that is defined as a sphere sliced by an intersecting plane. To be a true hemi, the combustion chamber should be half a sphere (the definition of hemisphere), but convention has allowed the usage of a segment of a sphere.



Pistons can be domed, flat-top or even dished, depending on the compression ratio involved (look at a blown top fueler).



The current "hemi" is hemispherical if segmented and viewed in only one plane (that's DC's excuse), but really looks more like the "twisted crescent" combustion chamber of the Boss 429 Ford, except oriented 90* to the crankshaft axis. I agree - it doesn't fit the classical definition of a hemi.



Rusty