Preporator DYNO thread

[How'dHeDoThat]

Originally posted by 777 MECHANIC

James,

Let me know when you want to go and dyno. I need to get mine on there also.



MikeD

Mike,

Call me when you get a chance... I got something to show you for our trucks!!!!



Plus would love an update on your progress.



Hopefully will have my new injectors this week.



James

 

[GIT-R-DONE]

Criteria

Doug, ( Jetpilot ) my suggestions for how this should dyno should be done:



1. Dont change the pickup from the tank.



2. Don't change the inlet on the VP44. (no drilling)



3. Only use stock electrical system for hook up of fuel system. Check to see at the pump , what volts are being used by the preporator pump. Write it down.



4. IMO, this needs to be done same day, same dyno operator.



5. An in-line "mechanical" Fuel Pressure gauge should be installed for both the stock application and for the Preporator system, so we know what pressure was run for the test.



6. Set a reasonable limit for the RPM's, and go to that limit for each set-up.





Personally, the main reason I turned this down was because the system was offered to me for free, and the expenses that would subsequently incur. To some people this would be construed as a buy-off for test results. I would hope that the people that are testing these systems put the system up for a door prize at the next local TDR event. Shoot, maybe they could even be used for the HVAC trust/auction, all for a better cause.



Its a shame that Brad ( FASS ) isn't putting up a system for testing. NOW would be the time to do it.



I think the list of criteria needs to be put forth here in the thread, before any testing is done and then all people should abide by what was set forth. So far I don't see anyone posting what the rules are. Can't wait for the results,... ... ... ... anybody taking any bets as to whether or not it makes any HP ?



just my . 02



Don

 

[Jetpilot]

Don,



You bring up some good points! I agree with most of your suggestions, but I feel that whatever is included in the Preporator kit should be hooked up. As for the fuel pressure I think that by ensuring that the OEM setup is supplying fuel pressure whatever the difference is doesn't matter.



What we are looking to prove or disprove is that the unit will make HP as claimed. If you can take a stock truck, hook the unit up and make XYZ additional HP then that is great. If it doesn't prove to add HP then the matter will be closed.



If folks feel that I will not give an honest evaluation then I will NOT test it..... I feel that it is important for the results to be accurate and reliable! Scott has already said that the reason I am doing this is for a free pump and now it looks like you are implying the same. I have tested many products for lots of vendors, some worked and others did not. But, this is the first time that any vendor I have worked with is willing to publically allow the product to be tested in front of a crowd and standing behind their claims!



Doug

 

[banshee]

To avoid the "dyno doesn't show the true hp because the fuel isn't agitated" claim how about driving the truck for a certain time/mileage before driving into the dyno and strapping her down?



John

 

[How'dHeDoThat]

In any event you are going to have to drive it for a ways after the Prep install to make sure you have given it a chance to remove all the air from the fuel lines.....



James

 

[WadePatton]

Originally posted by banshee

To avoid the "dyno doesn't show the true hp because the fuel isn't agitated" claim how about driving the truck for a certain time/mileage before driving into the dyno and strapping her down?

Non-issue because only Brad makes that particular claim.

 

[Big P]

Also, what about the current fuel systems on the subject trucks? Are they in good operating condition? Do they currently provide ample fuel pressure for mods? I guess what I'm getting at is if a truck is currently running 3psi for example on a full throttle run, I don't think it would be surprising to see a power increase on a dyno with a good working fuel system.



Could the people with the test trucks please reply to these questions? Thanks

 

[WadePatton]

Sure BP, mine is a stock lift pump (#2-96k miles) running 3/8 push-loc from the steel line at the frame into Wildcat adapters and AN-8 fittings/SS lines through the LP/Filter/into VP.



Pressure via Westach electric gauge is approximately:

12# idle,

12# cruising,

10# accelerating up to 20# boost,

MIN of 6# WOT at 2700 with 44# boost.

 

[Dkevdog]

Don Good points have been brought up. Thank you. Part of the purpose of this thread is to get some input from you all abd establish a set of standards to adhere to. Wade and I have already spoken on the phone a little about this and when I last spoke to Charlie, that is a contingency of the test. Charlie will see and approve the final list of what to and not to do's, and it will be posted here for all to see before any testing is done.



As for my particular fuel system, Bone stock with the exception of a threaded Ray's Banjo bolt for my mechanical FP gauge. The lift pumpwas replaced three weeks ago. At WOT, I am at about 6-7 Psi.



Kev



Keep the suggestions coming.

 

[Hohn]

. . following with an interested eye... .

 

[MADDOG2]

I have been running the Fuel Preporator for almost a year now, and even though I did not do any testing (before or after) I feel confident that it works very well with my set-up. I bought mine new in the box from HVAC and in my opinion it has been well worth it, and it has given me zero problems. I know people want hard evidence on hp gains (which I don't have) but I feel it does contribute to the success I have had in getting my truck to run 11. 20's in the 1/4 mile.



BTW as I stated above I paid for my Fuel Preporator, and I have not recieved any money from them for my endorsement.



Best Regards, Richard

 

[GIT-R-DONE]

MADDOG2, I am wondering something here. I know nothing of the set-up that you have in your truck, but if you had the original stock lift pump installed, would it feed your truck enough to run it as it is now? I know if the preporator is anything like the FASS as far as volume, it might be hard to run it dry. Just curious.



Don

 

[MADDOG2]

Originally posted by cuda6pack

MADDOG2, I am wondering something here. I know nothing of the set-up that you have in your truck, but if you had the original stock lift pump installed, would it feed your truck enough to run it as it is now? I know if the preporator is anything like the FASS as far as volume, it might be hard to run it dry. Just curious.



Don

Don, My truck is a 95 Ford F350 with a 12 valve Cummins in it and I have a -10 bulk head fitting out the bottom of the stock mid-ship tank to the Fuel preporator, and from it to a Areomotive A1000 pump with -10 lines to the P-7100 pump. The fuel is regulated to 40psi.

 

[WadePatton]

Originally posted by MADDOG2

Don, My truck is a 95 Ford F350 with a 12 valve Cummins in it and I have a -10 bulk head fitting out the bottom of the stock mid-ship tank to the Fuel preporator, and from it to a Areomotive A1000 pump with -10 lines to the P-7100 pump. The fuel is regulated to 40psi.

COWABUNGA MAN!

 

[Hohn]

Would this be a good time to post "the run"? Y'know, the video where Richard embarasses a ricer in his 7200lb monster@11. 42?



And now he's 2 clicks faster. SHEESH!



Justin

 

[Hohn]

Would this be a good time to post "the run"? Y'know, the video where Richard embarasses a ricer in his 7200lb monster@11. 42?



And now he's 2 clicks faster. SHEESH!



Justin

 

[CEkstam]

It is good to be back. The Miami Boat Show was exceptional, WOW!!



While we are waiting for the test Preporators to be tested there is some new info. On one of the tug boats that have installed the FP-450's, we have some very big results. Fuel savings have been documented at 16 gallons per hour per engine. These engines are 4,000 hp EMD's. Additionally, the forward speed of these monsters, pushing 48 loaded barges, has been increased by approximately 1 1/2 mph. If that is not increasing torque output I don't know what is! These engines, by the way are attached to ten foot diameter wheels (propellers)



A number of inquires have been made about Preporator warranty. The Fuel Preporator warranty is for two years. The original application of the Preporator was for the over the road truck industry and was engineered to give the service life the owners of these trucks required.



Also, the Preporator wiring harness for the Dodge pick-up truck is a direct lead from the battery (both positive and negative) directly to the Preporator. The positive lead includes a heavy duty fuse link and a relay controlled by the ECM through a Deutsch connector that plugs directly into the original lift pump connector. The system is monitored with an indicator light installed in the driver's compartment. Pressure output for the standard 5. 9 Cummin's installation is set at 15psi to the VP-44 pump with the indicator light to come on when the pressure drops to 7 psi. Output pressure is easily re-settable.



More info to come soon!!



Thanks,



Charles L. Ekstam

 

[CEkstam]

FYI: Customers, potential customers, dealers, and potential dealers, distributors and potential distributors of the Fuel Preporator have inquired about FPI's actions to protect its intellectual property. On February 17, 2004, FPI and Charles L. Ekstam filed complaint in Federal Court in St. Louis Missouri charging Brad Ekstam and Diesel Performance Products, Inc. with patent infringement. The suit alleges that the manufacture, use and sale of certain products, including the FASS model 150 infringe U. S. Patent No. 5,355,860 and seeks an injunction from further manufacture, use and sale of such products as well as damages. A copy of the complaint is available on request.



Thanks for your time,



Charles L. Ekstam

 

[LowFly]

Non-Infringement

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I have analyzed the claims, specifications and file histories of U. S. Patents Nos. 5,355,860 and 5,746,184 with respect to the Diesel Performance Products system. Based on this analysis, the prior art and applicable law, it is my opinion that the Diesel Performance Products system does not infringe either of these patents either literally, or under the doctrine of equivalents.

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[PRout]

All I know is Im satisfied w/ my FASS, and the help that I rec'd from Brad. I believe his price is reasonable as well.



It keeps my fuel pressure at 15psi under full load, and THAT is what I bought it for.



The truck does run smoother, especially on acceleration, from any rpm, and any throttle setting.



Mileage does not appear to be any better, but it does run better, and Im not as concerned about frying a VP like I was before. If it fries now, there wasnt much I could do about it, and might cause me to change to a truck w/o a VP, but will put another FASS in it.



If the FASS was not on the market, I would not have paid the higher price for the preporator, but would have gone w/ the PE4100 instead. 1000+ dollars for a fuel pump is not in my price range, especially when I can buy a VP44 for about the same price. The FASS was a stretch, but worth it IMO.



If there was patent infringement, then thats a problem, but it appears to be documented that it is not the case. Looks like the court has to decide on that.



I would like to get back to talking about the product, Im a consumer, and I dont care about the patent, or who made it. I care about its features, quality, price, and availability. The FASS met the criteria.