Programer to allow my 900 ft lbs to come out,when unloaded

[JPM]

Is there a way to allow my 900 ft lbs to come out and play unloaded? Without hurting anything? How hard can it be on the drive line to get a little tire smoke compared to moving a 35000 lb load up a hill? Physics are needed here.

 

[cerberusiam]

Sure, programmer. Depending on how the programmer makes power and how heavy your right foot is it could a LOT bad for the drive train. All subjective to a lot of things.

 

[JPM]

The question is;
Can you see as much driveline/head gasket/injectors/etc stress empty with a program taking off fast as with the max rated load taking off full throttle? After all goosing it once in while empty is nothing compared to towing big time over mountains.Looking at this.

https://www.turbodieselregister.com/threads/for-sale-stealth-module-2013-2018-6-7l.268908/

 

[cerberusiam]

No, you will never see as much stress empty as loaded. No matter the programmer or changes the engine output will still be load based, stress and load are going to be mutually exclusive concepts. On the street it will want to spin the tires when you push it to hard, no matter what you do unloaded it won't be able to replicate the stress and forces at work trying to move 15k.

 

[pwr2tow]

No, you will never see as much stress empty as loaded. No matter the programmer or changes the engine output will still be load based, stress and load are going to be mutually exclusive concepts. On the street it will want to spin the tires when you push it to hard, no matter what you do unloaded it won't be able to replicate the stress and forces at work trying to move 15k.

Regarding a programmer/tuner, on the driveline I agree, on the engine I disagree, stock profile (easier) vs tuner profile (harder).

A tuner profile is way more aggressive then a stock profile. So a tuner would be harder on every driveline component from engine to tires.

 

[AH64ID]

It depends, it can be harder on the driveline if you're shock loading it thru spinning tires and suddenly gaining traction.. thou that's not super common. Think of doing a gravel burn out and grabbing pavement, then replacing your ring and pinon. Constant load is much easier on equipment than variable load... look at the power ratings of the QSB marine motors, but they operate at constant load.

Torque is managed, regardless of the load, because the drivetrain isn't strong enough to handle 900 ft/lbs multiplied thru first gear, or even 2nd and 3rd gear. U-joints are too small, so is the rear axle.. but it's hard to get enough traction to get that power to the ground. So whether you have a load or not the programming keeps the power within the limits of the components.

I can tell you this, when I decide to tune my truck.. which I'll do myself, I won't be adding any power or throttle responce. I'll be making other changes.

On my 05 I actually decreased the throttle response to help the drivetrain with the added power.

 

[cerberusiam]

A tuner profile is way more aggressive then a stock profile. So a tuner would be harder on every driveline component from engine to tires.

A tune is only harder on the engine if it is pushed harder, that is all in the right foot. Driven normally likely very little difference between a tune and stock profile.

These aren't 600 HP p-pump engine where you have 2 states, throttle on and throttle off. A good tune can be no harder on components than a stock tune if done correctly and used correctly.

Max power is going to happen at max load and there is just no way to load the engine hard enough empty to emulate a down and dirty pull up a grade. Even at WOT just won't see the maximum it is capable of.

 

[pwr2tow]

A tune is only harder on the engine if it is pushed harder, that is all in the right foot. Driven normally likely very little difference between a tune and stock profile.

These aren't 600 HP p-pump engine where you have 2 states, throttle on and throttle off. A good tune can be no harder on components than a stock tune if done correctly and used correctly.

Max power is going to happen at max load and there is just no way to load the engine hard enough empty to emulate a down and dirty pull up a grade. Even at WOT just won't see the maximum it is capable of.

You answered and theoretically saying what I'm saying.

If you romp on a tuner tune compared to a stock tune, which I believe the original poster was referring to, the engine is going to ramp up faster give more at every rpm therefore being harder on components exceeding OEM design at every rpm.

 

[Randomrunner12]

My truck is a 2012 2500 6spd. I have had it deleted and tuned since my first issue at 17,000 miles. Since then I have been running on level 3 for DD and level 1 for towing anything. Truck has had no issues other than usual wear items and parts needing replaced. Yes I had to replace my turbo but that was because I didnt tow much with my truck and it ended up caking the vanes. Only time the turbo worked was when the truck was loaded with 2000lbs of cinder block all the time so i did that for a week to get turbo heated and soon as I empty truck issue came back. I dont blame the tuning for that as I dont drive heavy ever in this truck.