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Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) Pusher lift pump installed - lift pump demon is slain (hopefully)

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Steve St.Laurent

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I got my pusher lift pump installed this weekend and it's working GREAT! I bought a kit from Enterprise Engine Performance ( http://www.enterpriseengine.com ) for about the same cost as a replacement stock pump from Cummins. My fuel pressure gauge is now pegged beyond 16 psi and never goes down even under sustained WOT. The pump is in series along with the stock lift pump to feed it with fuel so that it hopefully will last longer as well as maintaining pressure. Installation was easy, only thing I did different from what Enterprise is doing is that I am running the pusher pump off of a relay whereas they are running them straight off of the existing power supply at the lift pump. After studying the schematics I was concerned about increasing the load on that circuit at all.



What I did was scotch lock to the red wire at the stock lift pump (on the lift pump side of the harness, not the engine side - in case of any problems it's easier to replace the lift pump harness than the engine one) and ran that to the switch side of a 30 amp (20a should be plenty) relay and then ran another wire from the other side of the switch to ground. Then I ran a wire from the fused side of the battery post in the PDC under the hood through a 20 amp fuse and then to the relay, then ran another wire (I used 12 gauge for all the wiring) from the other side of the relay to the pusher pump. I ran the wire inside of the existing wire loom that runs down the outside of the drivers side frame rail.



To mount the pump itself I freed the feed line (bottom line) from the frame rail (2 bolts and clamps) and then used a pipe cutter to cut the line at the front (you can see the front cut in the picture, the back cut was just to the rear of the bend in the line). Then I used a small deep well socket and an extension to bend the line out slightly and chamfered the inside of the lines to remove any burrs and cleaned out any shavings in there. Then I put the clamps back on (the rear clamp will only have the return line attached now). I then marked the holes for the bracket. I cut up a bicycle inner tube to make a rubber isolator to keep noise from transmitting through the frame. I used the supplied self tapping bolts and put the bolt through a lock washer first, then through a small piece (1" x 1") of inner tube, then through the bracket, and then through another piece of inner tube, then through the frame. On one of the mounting bolts I attached a small wire lead to connect to the negative terminal on the fuel pump. Then I put the supplied brass fittings into the fuel pump, and mounted the fuel pump through the supplied rubber gromets (I did have to add one extra washer on each of the studs so the pump was tight). Then used the supplied hose to connect to the fuel lines and hose clamped them at either end. Lastly, I connected the wire coming from the relay to the positive terminal on the pump.



Then I primed the system by turning the ignition on and bumping the starter to run the pumps (you will hear the pusher pump if it's working) several times. Then cranked her up! WHOOSH - fuel pressure gauge pegged! :D You can barely hear the pump operating when at idle but once rolling you can't hear it. Hopefully this will be the answer to my continuing lift pump problems (I went through 4 stock lift pumps in 60,000 miles). A big thank you goes out to Enterprise for researching this pump with Carter and coming up with a solution that's easy to implement!



I did a bunch of other things to the truck this weekend (replaced the TPS, MAP and IAT sensors) so I'm not sure exactly what made the difference but my truck is running AWESOME! I'm hitting 41 psi of boost and maintaining 38 psi whereas I was spiking to 40 and maintaining 36 before, it also builds boost MUCH quicker than before! Funny thing is that the truck is running faster (by stopwatch) but it's smoking less than before (still smoking good though :D ). Here's a couple of pictures of the install:



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Hey Steve,

Can the pusher pump be used in place of the stock pump we now have with the same preasure readings or is it required to run tandem to maintain 15 plus #s. Iwould like to stay in the same location if possible because, Well I would like to be lazy and not go thru all the electric wireing, I hate wires.





Thanks, TJ
 
Has to be in tandem - with this pump anyways. This was Carter's recommendation according to Enterprise. I believe it's a low pressure (6-7 psi) high volume pump. You could just move the stock lift pump back to this location but you'd have to redo the fuel lines at the stock location.



Additional: I just re-read your message TJ, I read it wrong the first time. No, you can't put this pump at the stock location. The whole problem is with the pump being up at the engine. Carter's specs call for a maximum of 3 feet from the fuel source (tank) - where the pump is mounted stock is more like 8 feet!



-Steve
 
Steve,



I've installed a pusher pump several weeks ago. It's a carter like yours. From what I see on the pic you've used a rubber hose from the tank to the pump. The curve you have can kinck (sp?). I've used a piece of copper pipe 3/8" ID which I've welded to one of the inlet's provided with the pump.

Also, double clamps ain't a bad idea... .

BTW, got all the stuff from ADT at a VERY reasonable price!



Marco.
 
Thanks for the advice Marco. Actually though, the rubber line that's running to the tank is only about 4 inches long and has about a 30 degree bend in it and connects to the hardline from the tank. There's not really any way it could kink, the hard line from the tank is only about 2 inches from the inlet to the pump. There wasn't any way to get a good shot of that because the tank is in the way, if you look closely you can just see the hose clamp. I do plan on double clamping the lines too, I just didn't have the hose clamps on hand yesterday.



-Steve
 
Steve - fantastic post, I am just getting ready to move my stock pump to the rear of the truck and I was looking for pics of this sort of thing. If moving the stocker does not help my fuel pressures then I will be putting it back and running the pump you are. Thanks again for the post and pics.
 
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Steve, good thread. Can you list the kit number or some kind of reference number for the kit. I either missed it or can't find it in the post. Was this a complete kit or did you make a trip to the hardware store also? Thanks... ... ... Pete
 
I don't have a kit number but if you contact Enterprise and ask for the 24v pusher pump kit they'll know what you are talking about - they are not a huge operation, most likely Doug or Loretta will answer the phone. The only thing I had to buy outside of their kit was the relay and wire (I had an old bicycle inner tube lying around and also had the crimp connectors to hook to the relay) and today I picked up four hose clamps to double clamp all the fuel line connections (just in case).



-Steve
 
Pssst Steve,

Steve are you running the stock fuel lines? And B. T. W isn't the Stock lift pump acting as a huge restriction for the pusher to work against? The excess fuel not being consumed by the pusher has to go somewhere no? What I mean is when the stock is running at it's lowest speed the pusher now has the Same voltage off the relay at ALL times? If So when the stock is running at it's slow speed the the pusher is going to try and Shove fuel somewhere it does not want to go. The real Q is are they ever going to "fight against" each other? Tryin' to get Max info on this so I feel more comfortable on the setup as I too Will most likly do this Thanx to the R&D From all including yourself.

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Toolman, yes I am running the stock fuel lines with the exception that I have drilled out my banjo bolts. The pusher pump is a low pressure pump (6-7 psi) and the pump at the engine is a higher pressure pump (14-16) so it should still be drawing fuel - just not having to work so hard to do it. Even when the stock lift pump is running at it's 25 percent duty cycle it should be making 7 psi (SHOULD is the operative word here) so it shouldn't be a problem. The only time the stock pump is running at it's low speed is when the starter is cranking as well. The only time that should happen for an extended period of time would be when you are bleeding the fuel system.



-Steve
 
Toolman, thought about your question about when the ECM is running the stock lift pump at low pressure today. I listened carefully to the truck during startup and I don't think the pusher pump operates during the cranking cycle (the low pressure cycle) - it's hard to tell because the truck lights off so fast. Here's my thinking though, the only way they could slow the lift pump down is by reducing the voltage to it, to have it at 25% duty cycle (that number comes from the service manual) they are probably running it at around 3 volts (maybe a bit more). That may not be enough voltage to fire the solenoid since it's a 12v solenoid. Just thinking out loud here - any input guys?



-Steve
 
Steve: You have the same setup as Jannetty put on my '99 in June of this year. Works great but, the noise of the pump under the cab is about to drive me nuts! How much noise are you getting?

Denny
 
CD - I can only hear the pump at idle - if I'm driving at all I can't hear it. I did put rubber between the bolts and mount and between the mount and frame to isolate it though. Mine is a long bed and I see yours is a short bed - that may make a HUGE difference! I'm not sure where your pump is mounted but mine is under the bed, I stuck my head into the bed with the lift pump running and it was LOUD! If your's is under your cab it may be a problem. You might try building a box around the pump and using dynamat to insulate the sound.



-Steve
 
Thanks Steve , I will be making my order soon as my pump preasure with a third install another new pump from Cummins.

Inlet preasure 11 pounds

outlet presure 9 pounds

Thanks Again, TJ Laffite
 
Thank's For thinking this one out steve,

Steve, I was hoping you got Where I was getting at and you did! (Language skillls still building) Anyhoo if you were to drain out the fuel bowel so the rig didn't fire off so quick and had someone hit the key and crank her over you may be able to catch the pusher in action during cranking. Just a thought. Count me in on this one I am A~Likin'~What~I'ma~Seein :D
 
Steve,



Your next upgrade to the fuel system should be the fuel lines. I did a whole new system because my stock lift pump was going south. Having seen all the horror storys about the lift pump here on TDR, I decided to do it all in one time.



New pumps, SS braided lines and Aeroqip fittings from the tank all they way up to the VP. The system works GREAT, only the pusher pump is a little noisy.



When my wife heard the truck the first time with the new fuel system, she asked what the noise was. Actually she said, your truck has something wrong, is somthing going to break???:)



OH,Hmmm, No darling, it's always been that way! Did you never notice???:cool:

Ya all know that kinda "white lie"... . :D



Avanced Diesel Tecnology (http://smokindiesel.com/) has a complete fuel system kit. No hassle searching hard to find parts. It comes all in a box! Price is very reasonable, slightly more than buying the two pumps alone!



I wanted to show you some pics of my fuel system. Looks like I'm still too stupid for such a though task! Where's the trick in posting a pic on the TDR???? :confused:



Marco
 
Marco,



It is easy to attach some pics. Go to the bottom when you do

a reply and see the "attach file" section. Hit the "browse" bar

and find you picture. Just be sure the file is not bigger than

102400 bytes in size.



Hope this helps. .



Charles
 
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