Ram Cummins vs. New Ford 7.3 gasser

[Fender1325]

It was hard to sell the truck for me (my 19 2500 crew cab hemi). It had the looks, comfort and ability.

But that MDS was truly disappointing in the driving experience, and the cam/lifter failure was astonishing once I asked around (people with Chrysler trucks).

To top it off, nobody local to me actually carried the specific flavor of oil as spec'd in the manual.

It was juuuuuust enough things that kept me from having all that money tied up in that vehicle. So close to being a winner.

 

[Regcabguy]

Will you still like it if the gas is 5$ or more a gallon?

Think of this as this will happen with the new government next year.

Valid point. If the party in control changes we'll see substantial tax increases in everyday life for everyone aside from the poverty level.

 

[AH64ID]

(Yes you can shut it off but you have to scroll through the gears every time you put it in drive, not doing that and not waiting on a tuner).

You do know that you didn't have to scroll thru the gears, right? Under your first acceleration into top gear you could just have pushed the button once. Simple, no more than a diesel and using TH or EB.

That's how I watched what gear I was in before getting a CTS2. It was simple and nowhere near an annoyance.

 

[Fender1325]

You do know that you didn't have to scroll thru the gears, right? Under your first acceleration into top gear you could just have pushed the button once. Simple, no more than a diesel and using TH or EB.

You do know it engaged at any speed or gear right?

That's how I watched what gear I was in before getting a CTS2. It was simple and nowhere near an annoyance.

 

[Fender1325]

You do know it engaged at any speed or gear right?

I once was literally driving up a steep curvy mountain road at 30 mph and it was, like usual, engaging in and out, depending on throttle position. Slight jolt every time. POS.

 

[AH64ID]

You do know it engaged at any speed or gear right?

I assume that's what you said???


Yes, but only under light load. It won't engage under normal acceleration, or at least shouldn't.

 

[Fender1325]

I assume that's what you said???


Yes, but only under light load. It won't engage under normal acceleration, or at least shouldn't.

Wrong. Don't tell me about the truck I owned and you didn't.

 

[AH64ID]

You do know it engaged at any speed or gear right?

I once was literally driving up a steep curvy mountain road at 30 mph and it was, like usual, engaging in and out, depending on throttle position. Slight jolt every time. POS.

Light throttle, press the button once and it would have stopped... just one push. Steep mountain roads don't need 8 gears, they need 2 or 3.

All I can say is that if you didn't like a button push or a few button pushes you probably won't be happy with anything on the market today.

Read thru all the forums... guys want their trucks to remember TH or EB. Guys want their trucks to do this, or that.... its a few button pushes, if that's too much then go buy something without OD or a lockup converter.

 

[Fender1325]

Light throttle, press the button once and it would have stopped... just one push. Steep mountain roads don't need 8 gears, they need 2 or 3.

All I can say is that if you didn't like a button push or a few button pushes you probably won't be happy with anything on the market today.

Read thru all the forums... guys want their trucks to remember TH or EB. Guys want their trucks to do this, or that.... its a few button pushes, if that's too much then go buy something without OD or a lockup converter.

Why are you trying to educate me on a truck I owned and you did not?

Depending on speed, hitting the gear down or up button will put you into a gear selecting mode. Yes, this will disengage MDS. It also limits what top gear you can be in.

So if I'm climbing a steep road in 3rd, and hit the gear selector, it will show I'm in 3rd gear. Then let's say the road levels out up top and I get on a road with say a 55-60mph zone. I now have to scroll the selector higher to include the gears for those speeds.

So to avoid that, yes, you need to hit it multiple times to scroll to gear 8, every single time you put the truck in drive in order for it to act like a regular truck with no cylinder deactivation.

Ford and Chevy don't require that, and if I'm not mistaken, the cummins version doesn't either.

Now you know.

 

[JR]

If that's your expectations, you will be sorely disappointed when you drive "a Cummins" version, with exception of course the MDS.

Hopefully that goes without being said, but ya never know.

 

[AH64ID]

If that's your expectations, you will be sorely disappointed when you drive "a Cummins" version.

Exactly my point.

Get the Ford, that way when you complain about us button pushes you will be doing it on a different forum. Your expectations will likely not be met with anything modern.

 

[Fender1325]

If that's your expectations, you will be sorely disappointed when you drive "a Cummins" version.

The cummins version has cylinder deactivation that causes a jolt and vibration? And why are you using parentheses around cummins?

 

[Fender1325]

Exactly my point.

Get the Ford, that way when you complain about us button pushes you will be doing it on a different forum. Your expectations will likely not be met with anything modern.

If that was exactly your point, why wouldn't you say something like, the cummins also has that mode and feels the same, instead of try to educate me on what my truck does? Did you own a 19 or 20 hemi 2500?

 

[AH64ID]

The cummins version has cylinder deactivation that causes a jolt and vibration? And why are you using parentheses around cummins?

Because nearly all of us use the ERS, TH, and EB buttons all the time. They are needed to make the truck work differently than just using D. It how it works. It’s also how it works for Ford/GM.

So if pushing a few buttons is so annoying you sold a truck, at likely a huge loss, over it then I’m certain you won’t want a Cummins either. Or anything modern, like I’ve mentioned.

At least the buttons exist to make the truck work like we want when needed.

 

[Fender1325]

Because nearly all of us use the ERS, TH, and EB buttons all the time. They are needed to make the truck work differently than just using D. It how it works. It’s also how it works for Ford/GM.

Engaging modes to do jobs for me like braking help for heavy loads going down hills or engaging tow mode when hooking up to a trailer is entirely different than being forced into a cylinder deactivation mode in everyday driving. Stop trying to act like "pushing buttons" is the problem. Jolting and vibration that require scrolling every single time you drive the vehicle is the problem. Add in the cam and lifter failures and I was done.

I love when people think they're smarter and they're talking purely out of their ass.

So if pushing a few buttons is so annoying you sold a truck over it then I’m certain you won’t want a Cummins either. Or anything modern, like I’ve mentioned.

 

[gsbrockman]

I love when people think they're smarter and they're talking purely out of their ass.

This coming from someone that can’t correctly reply to a quoted post, and instead replies within said quoted post.

 

[Timd32]

but it got noisy again within 5K miles

To top it off, nobody local to me actually carried the specific flavor of oil as spec'd in the manual

I dont have a 8spd so no input on that stuff.

I think the 5k mark is very close to when my 6.4 is noisy, I pushed my first couple oil changes and did OA just for fun and the oil can go pretty long so they say, except the noise can't be good thats a factor they can really see in the oil results.

The phone won't pick up on video, I wonder if like a decibel app that would pick up the DB changes would be worth it to debunk what I think I hear after 5k miles. Maybe its there all the time at a different frequency.

I live with it, I have been pulling back on the duration between oil changes.

I'm running Castrol Edge 0w40 since new.

I can do another OA maybe this time around have not done one for a while.

Good luck with what ever you decide to roll with. They are all pretty nice IMO and all have known issues.

 

[AH64ID]

@Fender1325

I guess the reply button and ERS button both have you frustrated .

All joking aside, read thru the thread again. I understand you don’t like the MDS, but it comes across that you really don’t like ERS.

There will likely be MDS elimination modules that use the OBDII port like the 1500, but it will take more time as the gas HD market is smaller than the diesel market.

 

[Fender1325]

I love when people think they're smarter and they're talking purely out of their ass.

This coming from someone that can’t correctly reply to a quoted post, and instead replies within said quoted post.

I hit quote and responded. But yes, let's compare the functionality of this forum to a truck

 

[AH64ID]

I hit quote and responded. But yes, let's compare the functionality of this forum to a truck

Ummm, that’s user error. You have to reply below the quote on every forum.