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Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) Ringing Sound from Drivetrain

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I've had a noise (see the end of this thread for details) in the drive-train for a long time. I first noticed it when the truck had around 3,000 miles on it. The noise seemed to get louder over time and eventually leveled off around 10,000 miles. The service department wasn't sure what it was, we went on several test drives with different mechanics and even went out once with the original service manager. No one would say it was a normal noise, most thought it would take more investigation to find out exactly where the noise was coming from. They drove other trucks on the lot and did not hear the noise. A regional technician was scheduled to go on a test drive with me but that sort of fell through the cracks, not of my doing. All fluid levels were checked, there is no evidence of lubricant leaks anywhere on the truck except for the hose replacing the blow-by bottle. I installed the Mag-Hytec cover on the rear axle and replaced the original synthetic with Almasol LE607 oil. The folks at Mag-Hytec swear by the stuff. It's kind of sticky and looks like it would not get thrown off as easily as the OEM fluids. This change had no effect on the noise.



Since the noise seemed to level off and nothing was falling off as I drove it I sort of let it slip to the back burner as priorities go. As I get close to the end of my 36,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty it's starting to cause me some concern. I realize the transmission should fall under the 5 year/70,000 mile warranty. I guess it's me worrying that it might be some obscure $20 part that's not covered under the drive-train warranty but will cost several hundred dollars to replace.



The interesting thing is when I had the truck in for service the last time (around 30,000 miles) the new service manager (dealership bought by Lithia behemoth) boldly stated the noise was perfectly normal, they all do it, and there's nothing wrong with the truck.



The noise: it sounds like the drive-shaft or some drive-line component is ringing. The "ringing" is very easy to hear when driving in 4th gear, engine turning 1000 to 1200 rpm with little of no load on the drive-train. Imagine driving down a level city street at 30 mph or so. If I open the door while driving (or if the mechanic opens the passenger side door) the noise is impossible to miss. As I slowly accelerate the noise seems to diminish. I can't hear the noise at freeway speeds.



The truck was built in August, 2001 but has the larger clutch. I know the early NV5600 transmissions had some sort of problem with bearings or shafts(?) but can't remember the details. When I bring this subject up with the service department I get a blank stare, shoulder shrug, and the "we don't know of any issues with that transmission". Last year while waiting for the truck to get serviced I actually saw the DC tsb and it mentions needing a 20 ton hydraulic press to fix the problem. I just wish I could remember what they were replacing.



Based on my limited troubleshooting the noise would appear to be coming from:

1. drive shaft (u-joints, center bearing assembly)

2. transmission (I need to do more research to see if it happens in all gears)

3. pilot bearing in flywheel (I understand this part fails quite frequently)

4. clutch and/or pressure plate



I don't think it's the throw-out bearing since pushing in or letting out the clutch doesn't have anything to do with the noise and when it occurs.



I spend a good deal of time in these forums and can't remember ever seeing a post on this problem. Anyone have any ideas?
 
slo ryde,



I have the 6 speed as well and I havent heard of any concerns on this. I have the earlier 6 speed in the 01.



I had a bad sound at slow speed and it was the universals on the driveshaft. I have the 1-piece shaft... .



If you have the carrier 2 piece shaft, the bearing in the center carrier might be going bad. Was there any shaking and wiggling of parts when up on the lift? It might be the bearing in the differential.



Do you have a shell on your truck? if not, maybe have someone in the rear and have them listen and see if it is coming from the rear area or more to the front.
 
SLo, Not to wizz on your toast but here is my take on it



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The noise: it sounds like the drive-shaft or some drive-line component is ringing. The "ringing" is very easy to hear when driving in 4th gear, engine turning 1000 to 1200 rpm with little of no load on the drive-train. Imagine driving down a level city street at 30 mph or so. <hr>





@ 1000 - 1200 RPM you are in a sense "Lugging" the motor and you are hearing the firing inpulses thru the natural slop in the drive train. Firing impulses at a low RPM are more pronounced and are transmitted thru the drive line easier with hardly any load imposed on the drive train. Your road speed and RPM are so closely matched at that combination that each pulse is adding a split seccond load to the drive train acting like a hammer. Sure in the beginning 3,000 miles everything was tight. Now with some break in you are hearing I hate to say it "Normal" sounds when you are that low in the rpm.
 
I would say lugging the ENGINE, not the motor, but thats a peeve of mine.



I do agree that this could be a "normal" sound-- you have a constant mesh transmission; ie, whatever the path of power through the trans, ALL corresponding gears are meshed and turning when the truck is moving. Even with oil between the metal, it still makes some noise. That, with tim's engine vibes amplifying through the drive line, may explain it all.



Not to say something's not wrong, but the carrier ( Center support) bearing is the only thing that could even think about lasting this long in a "failed" mode and not explode, and you would definately notice that. Mine sounded more like a dry, grindy noise (cause it was dry and grindy) when it died.



All the gear driven trucks I have rode/drove made some dicernable noise, thats just a side effect of getting to pick your gears.
 
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When I read your post and saw driving at 1000-1200 rpm, the first thing that came to my mind was that driveline sound you get when lugging it, and it doesn't have to be under any real load either. My Kenworth will do the same thing.
 
could be what Toolman said. Does your center carrier bearing have a metal dust cover? Some years back I had a Ford pickup with that configuration, and a similar 'ringing' noise problem. After much trouble shooting and thinking I was hearing things that weren't there, I discovered the metal dust cover had come loose from whatever attached it, and was rotating in an oscillating pattern. It was hitting the mounting 'collar' just enough to make it ring, and only at specified rpm. Took a routine grease job to find it, when I grabbed it to see if it turned and it did! And all I really wanted was to find the grease fitting, but I solved the ringing problem, after changing the center carrier bearing from what Ford had used, to a Dorman. Side by side, the Dorman was a better quality piece. They make more than fasteners, and I'm glad they do. Anyway, that fixed it, and it was unusual, to say the least. No one I know of has had a problem quite like that, but maybe you should check it out? just a suggestion, good luck
 
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