Ripped Off!

[TCDiesel]

Looks like you got "outbid" at the dealer that had the truck. Dealer trades are just that and subject to the other dealer saying "No." Maybe your dealer didn't offer a very good trade for it. Hard to say.

I second the loaner and order what you want idea.

I wouldn't compromise on the transmission - get the best one esp. with the other one having the power turned down so it will live.

X2 on the Bid.

Take the Aisin/385 at another 100HP and it a Towing machine, the Aisin simply transmits power much better then the,68RFE, Well Most 68RFE owners support what they purchase in most cases it $$$$ not the Trans. The 68 works but its NO Aisin plain and simple.

 

[Doubleclutch]

I too, like the "lease" option until the new comes. Of course you do have an option to DEAL on the "They found the same truck in a Longhorm trim but I don't want to spend another $7000." Let them assume some actual pain for the screw-up. Greg

 

[kthaxton]

Take the Aisin/385 at another 100HP and it a Towing machine, the Aisin simply transmits power much better then the,68RFE,

Isn't it more a matter of it's durability (ability to handle increased torque) and lower gear ratios in 1st-3rd? Unless a transmission has constant clutch slippage, I can't see how one could transmit power any better than the other. Handle more power, yes, obviously, but transmit it better?, I'm not sure I'm grasping that one.

 

[EGroeneveld]

Well here I was today ready to pick up my new 2015 Laramie 3500 6.7 385hp 865fptq, Aisin transmission, Auto Level, 5th wheel prep SRW SB. All excited like a Dad with the arrival of a newborn.

I went to my Dodge dealer and they said "We have a problem" and proceeded to tell me.

The truck I bought was found at another dealer 900 miles away. My dealer sent them a purchase order for the truck. I put a deposit down and signed the commitment to buy papers. Done deal!

Except......

The owner of the other dealership decided on the weekend to sell the truck to one of his buddies. Sold it out from under me and didn't tell my dealership. What an a--hole!!!. I'm livid. My sales manager is upset that this could even happen.

They can't find another one in Canada like it with tan leather interior. Lots of black interior ones. I don't want no stinking black interior. The truck I'm turning in has black leather.
They found one without a sliding roof. I want a sliding roof.
They found the same truck in a Longhorm trim but I don't want to spend another $7000.

I can order a new one. I don't want to wait 10 weeks.

They have the 3500 Laramie 370 hp 800fptq one with 68RFE Trans, less hp and less tq than I wanted but has Tan leather, sliding roof. It doesn't have auto level. That's not what I wanted.
But, it's the one I test drove for a week and the reason I wanted to buy the Laramie truck I thought I was getting.

Would I be settling if I accepted this lesser model? (Lesser Ha! Still a beautiful truck)
Am I silly for wanting the 385hp and Aisin and Auto level?
Will I be happy towing my 15900lb 5th wheel?

I could always add air bags.

What a dilemma! I'm back to square one.

HELP ME COME TO SOME SENSE OF RESOLVE......PLEASE! I need to stop the insanity!


(I probably jinxed myself by prematurely adding the truck into my signature)

It's like selling a house...its not done until you are going to the bank with the check. You put a deposit down and it fell apart. You can be ****** all you want but it won't change anything.
I personally would just sit down with the dealer and order a brand new 2016 truck just the way you want it. I would not compromise on interior color or anything like that, it will just bug you forever.

 

[TCDiesel]

Isn't it more a matter of it's durability (ability to handle increased torque) and lower gear ratios in 1st-3rd? Unless a transmission has constant clutch slippage, I can't see how one could transmit power any better than the other. Handle more power, yes, obviously, but transmit it better?, I'm not sure I'm grasping that one.

I can't remember the ratios Right of hand ,the Aisin TC was much Higher/tighter, the 68RFE is to loose wasting power,( Adding HP just makes it worst) obliviously If Ram could use 1 TC for both applications they would, just to save $.

The dealer could just give you your money back like EGroeneveld mentioned, Why should the dealer be penalized? This generation is so laden with if things don't go My way I need to compensated, at someone's expense other then My own. The dealer didn't do anything wrong. The other dealer had possession, It was legally their truck until money was exchanged and it LEFT THIER POSSEESSION, Maybe the controlling dealer had a deal in the works? So this buyer should just be told to go pound sand.

 

[RustyJC]

I can't remember the ratios Right of hand ,the Aisin TC was much Higher/tighter, the 68RFE is to loose wasting power,( Adding HP just makes it worst) obliviously If Ram could use 1 TC for both applications they would, just to save $.

Could you explain to me how a locked torque converter can "waste power" in the "too loose" 68RFE but not in the Aisin? It's strange to me that I can tow a 19K GVWR 5th wheel with my truck and not experience all this terrible behavior you attribute to the 68RFE....

Rusty

 

[Cummins12V98]

Dogpatch we talked a lot about your truck needs on IRV2 forums and you need to stick to what you decided on. Yes the 68RFE will work but getting the load rolling with the 3:42 is not like having 4:10's or the Aisin.

Tell the dealer to order what you want in a 16 and sell it to you at his COST. Or as mentioned bag the towing prep and see if that helps with the search.

Spending that amount of money you don't want to wish you went Aisin later!

Fact is if my 11 HO had the 4:10's I would not have bought my 15. There is an example of not getting exactly what I wanted and it cost me $$$

 

[Dogpatch]

Truck Debocal Update:

Because today was the last day of 0% financing, they offered me to take the truck with the 370 hp and 68RFE to get me into a new truck.
They put in air bags, Cargo box 5th wheel plug, a new trifold topper and threw in paying half the Pullrite hitch and install.
AND they are taking my 2013 F150 Platinum 4x4 and paying off my lease at a deficit to them of $3500.
AND They are giving me a guaranteed buy back of this 2015 Ram 3500 to be not less than what I owe.
AND when the 0% financing comes into play on the 2016 Ram 3500's they will order me a new truck with all the options I wanted and guarantee that I will not pay more than the 2015 Ram 3500 truck with Aisin that was sold out from under me.

I reiterate, that the lost truck wasn't my dealerships fault and they have really stepped up to the plate. They want my business as they know I typically buy a new truck every 3 years and have lost out on my last 5 trucks and the 3 cars I've bought my wife in the last 15 years.

This truck may not be perfect, but I'll manage the 5 weeks I pull the 5er. I'm only planning on one trip this fall with it and not over any mountain passes. This current truck will mostly be my daily driver and not a TV after that till spring.

Who knows, I may be in the new 2016 3500 Ram truck with Aisin I wanted by spring.

I'm a lot happier today than yesterday!

 

[Dogpatch]

You can install the factory bed pucks yourself, I did Monday to my new Laramie.
Here are the part numbers.
Pucks 82213665AB
Wiring 82212195AB

That sucks, what happen. We flew from NW Washington to Colorado and drove our new Laramie home 1384 miles last week. We learned a lot able the truck in 48 hours.

If they can build a 2016 to your specs at the same price, I would do that. Snoking

snoking, the 2016's aren't offered under the 0% financing and would be too costly to fit within my allotted truck allowance.

 

[Cummins12V98]

Dogwatch you be smelling like a rose!

Best part is when you dump the 15 and then tow the 16 with the Aisin you will come back here and give us an honest report on how the two differed.

 

[TCDiesel]

Could you explain to me how a locked torque converter can "waste power" in the "too loose" 68RFE but not in the Aisin? It's strange to me that I can tow a 19K GVWR 5th wheel with my truck and not experience all this terrible behavior you attribute to the 68RFE....

Rusty

When its in fluid coupling its Not lock Up. How does your truck stop, You must put it into rolling stop neutral and engage Drive when wanting to move, Or do you shut your truck off at every stop light and start to Go ,Maybe you can explain how you drive your 68RFE in lockup 100% W/engine running.

My Tri-axle trailers weight in at 15,8K Empty!!! heck We put 16K in the box and drive off-Road.

If the 68RFE,was so Great and Strong WHY did Ram (RustyJC) contract out side provider? Its probably a few Million in lost revenue in the CC versions only.

Dogpatch....I glad it work out Being open to agreements and Understanding generally pay off..

look at all the facts to support the 69RCS is superior in every category except cost.

http://www.dieselhub.com/trans/aisin-AS69RC.html

http://www.dieselhub.com/trans/68RFE.html

I did have the 68RFE in My 2008 it was a 1 year lease to purchase, I return it to the dealer at the 365 Day,and Did not Buy another Ram until the 2012 When I did a CC to pickup box with (68 Aisin) change over, sold the 2012 and bought My 2013 & 14 Aisin 3500s

 

[NDanecker]

I settled for my '13 with 3.42 and 68rfe because I couldn't wait and regretted it. I hated the truck so much that I traded it in 1 year later for the truck I wanted originally, and still smiling. The two are different. The AISIN with 4.10's pulls much better and the fuel mileage isn't that different when you average it out, but the performance between the two is night/day.

My suggestion is to wait to order what you want. 10 weeks will be tough but you won't hate yourself in the morning.

 

[RustyJC]

When its in fluid coupling its Not lock Up. How does your truck stop, You must put it into rolling stop neutral and engage Drive when wanting to move, Or do you shut your truck off at every stop light and start to Go ,Maybe you can explain how you drive your 68RFE in lockup 100% W/engine running.

Nice straw man!!! Show me where I said I drive in lockup 100% of the time.

If the 68RFE,was so Great and Strong WHY did Ram (RustyJC) contract out side provider? Its probably a few Million in lost revenue in the CC versions only.

Well, the ostensible reason given for the Aisin in the CC trucks was that it had a PTO whereas the 68RFE didn't. How many pickups with the 68RFE do you figure Ram built from 2007.5 until the Aisin was finally available in the HD pickups? It wasn't an option when I ordered my 2011, and even though I would probably order the Aisin on a new truck, that doesn't mean that the 68RFE hasn't served me well in this truck.

Rusty

 

[kthaxton]

Could you explain to me how a locked torque converter can "waste power" in the "too loose" 68RFE but not in the Aisin? It's strange to me that I can tow a 19K GVWR 5th wheel with my truck and not experience all this terrible behavior you attribute to the 68RFE....

Rusty

That's what I'm thinking too.

While not specifically referring to this conversation or to TCDiesel, I see a lot of posts here giving credit to the Aisin for various things that should be credited to the engine, or the ECM, even bragging about the Aisin for things the 68RFE does too (i.e. doing an excellent job slowing a load with exhaust-brake engaged in T/H mode). Almost as if some folks think the Aisin is responsible for producing torque as well as a myriad of other things.

Yes, I understand the Aisin is a stronger trans. No I am not saying the 68RFE is as good as the Aisin (but it works great for its intended duties), I am just saying it is not responsible for what some people seem to think it is.

 

[Dogpatch]

I think I did pretty good today. Better than I expected.

The dealership knows this isn't the truck I want but put something together that worked for now.

i know what they got offered for my F150 Platinum from a wholesaler I listened to the call on speaker phone. They got offered $36,000. My initial buy out from Ford was $38,500 so they were $2500 in the hole. Then the lost truck happened. Today, they did a direct buyout request from Ford Lease after they offered me today's deal and Ford tacked on an additional $3700 for lost revenue on the remaining 2 years of the lease so they got dinged $6200 on paying out my F150. Add in the extras on the Ram to make it worth taking for now and I figure that adds up to a total of about $9000.

Its not often you are ahead when buying a vehicle. I kinda smiled over that!

 

[kthaxton]

Case in point (in reference to my previous post):

The AISIN with 4.10's pulls much better and the fuel mileage isn't that different when you average it out, but the performance between the two is night/day.

My apologies to NDanecker if I am misinterpreting his point here, but I think in this case, the 4.10's and the high output Cummins should get the vast majority of the credit for making this truck better for towing (moreso the gears). Of course it requires a stronger trans like the Aisin, but the engine and the gears are what makes the obvious improvements in performance....save for any personal preference in shift quality.

 

[RustyJC]

I settled for my '13 with 3.42 and 68rfe because I couldn't wait and regretted it. I hated the truck so much that I traded it in 1 year later for the truck I wanted originally, and still smiling. The two are different. The AISIN with 4.10's pulls much better and the fuel mileage isn't that different when you average it out, but the performance between the two is night/day.

You're comparing a 68RFE with 3.42s against an Aisin with 4.10s and think the improvement in towing performance is due solely to the transmission???

Rusty

 

[SnoKing]

OK, I will come clean! I bought our new Laramie with an Aisin because I could. We sold our Yacht and paid cash for a truck that had everything we wanted except the 5th wheel prep. Monday I install the four pucks. There I have finished 2 or 3 of the 12 steps. I did not need it but I wanted it! So we bought it with the big transmission.

Our financial adviser says the cheapest vehicle is the one you already own.

Snoking

 

[gsbrockman]

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[SnoKing]

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Very few people buy a new vehicle because they have to. Our 2001.5 only had 122k on the clock. Snoking