Rush in limbo? Or Bimbo?

[loncray]

Is it bigger than the list of folks indicted by the end of the Reagan Administration? I'll be waiting!

 

[Rman]

no not really close, but considering it's dead people it's big. I'm going to guess at least in the 30's. I'll be diggin tonight!

 

[John]

Originally posted by loncray

Vince Foster was depressed and committed suicide - if the right thinks he was murdered then where's the proof?

Depressed my a$$!



committed suicide? Ya right! ( )



I remember the TV (network) news interview with Vince just before the weekend he died. He was asked what he was going to say to the Grand Jury. [keeping in mind he was the only person that had knowledge of ALL the facts pertaining to Whitewater] Vince stated, "The truth. "



I guess you could say, the truth did set him free...



:--)



You figure out what happened!



suicide?... in-friggin-deed!

 

[Boomer II]

We're reaping the benefits of Bill's "peace" right now. He gave our muslem friends the idea we wouldn't fight back, 9/11 was being planned over five years before it went down. That piece of crap was an embarrassment to the office and to the people of the United States.

 

[Rman]

loncray here ya go!



James McDougal - Clinton's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack while in solitary confinement. According to the Ft. Worth Star-Telegram of Sept. 11, 1998, he died after being denied his nitroglycerine pills . He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.



Mary Mahoney - Former White House intern who was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just before she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House. The murder was an execution-style professional hit. No money was taken. She was a close friend of Monica Lewinsky's. Monica is on tape saying she feared for her life after her friend was killed.



Vince Foster - Former white House counselor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock's Rose law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.



Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former Chairman of the Democratic National Committee. Officially reported to have died in a plane crash, along with numerous DNC contributors, into a mountain during a fierce storm. It was actually a bright, sunny day. The White House refused to allow the Air Force to investigate the crash, the first time in American history that the crash of an Air Force plane was not investigated by the Air Force. Air Force Lt. Col. Steve Cogswell, a medical doctor, forensic pathologist and deputy medical examiner with the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, has released photos and x-rays which purport to show that Commerce Secretary Ron Brown had a gunshot wound in his head following his airplane crash in Croatia last year. Dr. Cogswell disputes the official explanation of the hole -- that it was a superficial wound inconsistent with a gunshot. He says brain matter is visible in the wound, indicating the skull was penetrated.



C. Victor Raiser II - & Montgomery Raiser - Major players in the Clinton fund-raising organization. Died in a private plane crash, July 1992.



Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992. Described by Clinton as a "Dear friend and trusted advisor".



Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in Virginia of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.



Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.



James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people containing names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.



James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.



Kathy Ferguson - Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson. Was found dead in her living room with a gunshot wound to her head, May, 1994. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she was going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was codefendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.



Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiancée of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancée, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound -- also ruled a suicide -- at the gravesite of his fiancée.



Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton friend Dan Lassater. Died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.



Florence Martin - Accountant subcontractor for the CIA related to the Barry Seal/Mena Airport drug smuggling case. Died of three gunshot wounds.



Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.



Paula Grober - Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.



Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Told a friend shortly before he died that the extent of the corruption in the Clinton Administration he was uncovering was far more widespread than he first suspected and called it "The Octopus": A vast, interlocking network of criminal conspiracy that reaches into every branch and agency of the U. S. government, many other national governments, and every sector of our society. Danny told his friends he was meeting an informant to "bring back the head of the Octopus" when his body was found in the Martinsburg, W. Va. Sheraton on August 10, 1991. We are to believe that he killed himself in the middle of his investigation. Much of the evidence he had gathered was missing.



Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro. Found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.



Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993. Was investigating Morgan Guarantee scandal.



Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce



Charles Meissner - Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance. Died shortly thereafter in a small plane

crash.



Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee. Died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small

plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton's advisory council, personally treated Clinton's mother, stepfather and brother.



Barry Seal - Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas. Death was no accident. http://www.ndsn.org/NOV95/ARKANSAS.html http://www.maraleveritt.com/fbi-seal-files-jpg.htm http://www.ndsn.org/NOV95/ARKANSAS.html



Johnny Lawhorn Jr. - Johnny Franklin Lawhorn Jr. , 29, the transmission shop owner who discovered Whitewater documents and a cashier's check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car, was killed when his car struck a utility pole as he shot out of a service station at high speed directly into the pole.





Stanley Huggins - Suicide. Investigated Madison Guarantee. His report was never released.



Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.



Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as "The boys on the track" case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug

operation. Controversial case where initial report of death was due to falling asleep on railroad track. Later reports claim the 2 boys had

been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.

THE FOLLOWING SIX PERSONS ALLEGEDLY HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:



Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck July,1988



Keith McMaskle - Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988



Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.



Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.



James Milan - Found decapitated. Coroner ruled death due to natural causes.



Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.



Richard Winters - Was a suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. Was killed in a setup robbery July 1989



THE FOLLOWING BODYGUARDS DIED WITHIN A SHORT TIME AFTER LEAVING CLINTON'S SERVICE:



Major William S. Barkley Jr.

Captain Scott J. Reynolds

Sgt. Brian Hanley

Sgt. Tim Sabel

Major General William Robertson

Col. William Densberger

Col. Robert Kelly

Spec. Gary Rhodes

Steve Willis

Robert Williams

Conway LeBleu

Todd McKeehan



man there's more too!!! quite a list! but wait it's a rightwing plot that's right. I counted 49!!! Not too shabby to keep your butt clean huh.

 

[illflem]

Originally posted by Boomer II

We're reaping the benefits of Bill's "peace" right now. He gave our muslem friends the idea we wouldn't fight back, 9/11 was being planned over five years before it went down. That piece of crap was an embarrassment to the office and to the people of the United States.

So what?

They were planning the first WTC attack when Bush Sr was in office. Guess he was piece of crap also by your reckoning.



rhickman, all I see there is a bunch of words anyone could have written that don't mean anything without proof.

 

[Rman]

yes those are a bunch of words... . all any of you say is a bunch of words. The fact is all those people are dead... kind of odd how they all had ties to clinton. I didn't say he conspired to kill them all... . but it sure is strange that they all died, and they all had ties with him.



Ron Brown is particularly interesting. He died in an AF crash. I'm int he air force and have participated in crash investigations... they are EXTEREMLY thorough, and will not leave a stone un turned. They investigate EVERY crash and give a detailed report on EVERY crash. it is policy, except when that crash is staged and involves the president. Only then can they be directed to overlook it as a "mishap".



But wait, it's just hersey, nothing bad would happen in our great oval office.

 

[merryman]

Guys, I think I will give up on these threads that touch on politics;

we are either preaching to the chior, or to completely closed minds----neither is productive.

Clinton supporter--Bush hating left wingers NEVER listen---oh yeah, they also NEVER acknowledge their real position, they are always neutral, independent, non political, libertarian or such. Ever meet someone who admitted to being a far left liberal??

I am still waiting to find ONE.

But they are always easy to spot; just look at who consistently takes the far left position of whatever issue---allthewhile denying they are liberals, and claiming to dislike all extreme position(while spouting the extreme liberal position --funny to listen to though. )

On the other hand we who are very firmly rightwing conservatives are generally very quick to say so. Interesting difference.



Vaughn

 

[NETim]

I hold no illusions that I will change anyone's political philosophy here. Mainly I wish to engage in an honest debate with the Left in an attempt to understand what it is about Liberalism that seems to attract so many.



Thus far, I can honestly admit that I just don't "get it. " Classic Leftist ideals hold no appeal to me. Redistribution of wealth, large intrusive government and the inevitable loss of personal freedoms, what's the draw? Unless a person believes that they will benefit from these schemes, why would anyone desire their implemention?



To me government cannot guarantee happiness. They can guarantee misery and mediocrity however. I mean, whenever I think of Federal bureaucracy, "mediocrity" immediately comes to mind. Why does anyone look towards Washington to improve their lot in life?



Particularly puzzling to me is why do some TDR members run with the Left, the home of the radical environmental types, the very same who wish to do away with SUV's?



Why do sportsmen and hunters support the Left when it is the Left who are working hard to restrict our Right to Bear Arms and destroy our hunting heritage?



Time and time again, I see those on the Left proclaim their distrust of the Federal government yet they turn around and campaign for yet more governmental programs. Why?



Is it because Liberal types have no confidence in themselves and their abilities? Is it a lack of faith in their fellow man? Is it some kind of chronic and deep rooted pessimism?



After reading Rand and Orwell, I simply cannot understand why anyone would wish the State to grow and prosper. Makes absolutely no sense to me.



I know I have not expressed myself well here. However, in all honesty, I am looking for answers.



Why do so many have more faith in government than in themselves and their neighbors?



I pray I never give into that kind of despair.



Tim

 

[Mike Ellis]

NETim,



You're not alone, there are millions of conservative Americans all over the USA who constantly wonder what drives the liberal conscience to adapt the mindset they have.



From my observation of the species in academia and elsewhere, I suspect that a lot of it derives from contempt for their fellow man - sometimes deeply suppressed, sometimes overt.



Listen closely to what they say or type sometime, and the raw condescension to their audience is unmistakeable. While some of the right may be prone to arrogance and selfishness, the currency of the left is contempt and a thirst to control those they perceive to be inferior.



It is interesting to contemplate the mindset of those who so strongly desire leadership that does nothing but condescend and pander to them. Very strange.

 

[Boomer II]

What Tim and Mike said.

 

[Rman]

Mike, not that i don't agree wholeheartedly with you, but isn't it human nature to control those you perceive to be inferior? I think it's always been like that, and always will be. Right wingers do it too... they just don't do it with govn't they control with money and dominating business, a different less compassionate control. I always love to hear how liberals "care" and want to help... . blah they just want you eating out of their hand while cracking a whip over your back and taking away freedoms.



Anyhoo, i just embarrassed a ford on the way into work, i'm feeling pretty good.

 

[loncray]

I continue to be amazed that anybody who disagrees with the 'proud conservatives' is automatically considered a left-wing liberal! There are plenty of folks in the middle of the political spectrum - why can't the right-wingers believe that? I'm socially left of center on some stuff, right of center on others and generally pretty right-wing on fiscal matters. I'm actually about the same as Arnold Schwarzenneger, at least as far as his positions have been publicized. For the most part, I don't see any solutions to our countries problems coming from the right - just "it's Clinton's fault", or "stop the abortionists" or "Freedom Fries".

Merryman, of COURSE you'll find plenty of 'proud conservatives' - that's the sort of folks that generally own large diesel trucks. But why do you continue to insist that everybody who disagrees with President Bush hates him? I am indeed a Clinton supporter - my views on his administration are well-known, but that doesn't mean I hate Bush - though I disagree more and more with his policies.

RHickman, here's a list of those killed by Bush policies: http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/forces/casualties/

Our president has gotten a lot more people killed than the last one even if every single person on your list was personally killed by Bill Clinton and his massive left-wing conspiracy. That IS what you're talking about, isn't it? Of course, the right-wing conspiracy is a myth, but obviously the Clintons have their own death squads dedicated to taking out those opposed to them. Where's the hit on the House Managers? Where's the hit on Ken Starr's folks? If the suicides and accidents on the list are homicides, why doesn't the Justice Department open new investigations? You can't possibly think that John Ashcroft would assist in a coverup of this magnitude by the Clinton Administration, do you? Or Donald Rumsfeld, in the case of the Air Force investigation?

Man, I bet I could get some of the folks here to support public nude gay marriages just by telling'm that Bill Clinton was opposed to it.

 

[Rman]

personally i think there is a distinct difference between being killed in the line of duty and being murdered because of what you know.

 

[loncray]

Once again, where's the proof? Where's the investigations? The Ashcroft Justice Dept. (and the Rumsfeld Defense Departmtne) haven't launched any investigations - why not? You're calling it a massive left-wing conspiracy - and it sounds just as silly as Hillary Clinton talking about the massive right-wing conspiracy. People die - some of them shoot themselves and some of them drive badly.

And my URL was to make a point - even if the Clinton Administration killed every single one of those folks, more folks have died due to Bush Administration policies.

And wasn't it the Reagan Administration that pulled out of Beirut, thus showing the terrorists that the US could be bullied long before Bill Clinton ever came close to the national stage?

 

[Rman]

I know what your point was and understand what you mean. I just couldn't help but show you the difference in the two types of death. I'm obviously not a clinton fan, i'm in the military for heaven's sake, but i can't say i agree 100% with present policies. I would like to think i could somewhere centered in the policitcal spectrum, but on several issues i am as far right winged as they come. Guns in particular I still think if city folk would come live a country life and see the impact guns have things would be different. Not everyone uses a . 45 to hold up gas stations and kill there wrong colored buddy in street war... . yet because they do everyone else has to suffer.



A 2 headed monster it is, there is good and there is bad, finding a happy medium is critical.



Oh and the death list, you wanted it and you got it. I didn't say i believed it all. I was really just kidding, but when you said there were none... . c'mon man. This has been a big joke for years now. Maybe because i read conservative propoganda. I like how you posted the CNN link, you can't get more liberal than them.

 

[loncray]

RHickman, it sounds as though we are more in agreement than our posts indicate. I was in the military once too, and I grew up in Wyoming, about as gun-happy a place as you'll ever see. I agree that the happy medium is where it's at - we need both a right-wing AND a left-wing in this nation to keep things balanced. Not everything out of the liberal's mouths is wrong, just as not everything from a conservatives mouth is wrong!

I did a Google search on the casualties in Iraq; the CNN link was simply the first one I saw. Fox News probably has a similar list someplace on their website.

You might've posted it as a joke, but too many people take it seriously - the same folks that think Ann Coulter is right!

 

[Rman]

oh wow ANN COULTER!!! man don't get me started!

 

[Hohn]

Re: Drugs

Originally posted by Champane Flight

I would be gone in a heartbeat for drugs. Of course if I screw up, I blow up. If he screws up, it gets blown out of proportion. He is in the public eye and should think a little harder before he opens his mouth.

CF, I thought I would find one of the few things you have said that I agree with. He should have thought a little more. He needs to keep on his "football" hat, and leave the "politics" hat at the EIB studio.



I listen to and like Rush. He's not perfect, and not always correct. But he's right more than he's wrong. Some people don't understand how much of him is schtick and how much is the "real" RL. It's hard to tell which is which.



There's still free speech in this country. Free speech only means the right to speak, not the right to be heard.



What troubles me is how the PC mentality leads to non-sequitur conclusions. No LOGICAL person could conclude the Rush has any rascist tendencies based on what he said. He said that the media and the NFL have an interest in seeing black QB succeed, so McNabb is a little overrated. So his comment was" McNabb is overrated, and 2) This is because of the media and the NFL in their desire to see a black QB succeed.



Note what Rush did NOT say. He did NOT say that DM was less of a person because he was black. He did NOT say that he was only in the league because he was black. So on, and so forth.



Rush's comment was about DM's QB ABILITY, not his color. Rush was saying that DMs color is only an issue because the media and the NFL made it that way.



Same thing on the Trent Lott blow-up; it was much ado about nothing.



Same thing with racial quotas in college admissions. The only reason that race is EVEN AN ISSUE AT ALL is because LIBERALS have made it so.



So much for MLK and "I have a dream". I still hope that one day blacks will be judged by "the content of their character, not the color of their skin".



If you can't see how it is JUST as rascist to discriminate IN FAVOR of a minority as it is to discriminate AGAINST them, then you will NEVER understand.



I can't belive how pathetically hypersensitive the PC culture has made us as Americans. We are now becoming our own worst enemy. We have allowed PC to separate us from our senses, and now we frisk little old ladies at Airports, and let Middle Eastern men pass right through.



Pathetic. This hypersensitivity is just pathetic.



HOHN

 

[Hohn]

I forgot to mention the drugs. The drug allegations seem pretty fishy to me. Mere coincidence that these "allegations" come out in the middle of all this McNabb flap?



Like the others said, if he did something wrong, make him do the time for his crime. Until someone makes a case, get off his back and shut up. I get so ****** when people are convicted in the court of public opinion just because someone made an accusation. It's like they are saying "who cares if he did it? It matters more that someone is accusing him. "



Last I checked, you are innocent until PROVEN guilty in America.



HOHN