Guns, Bows, Shooting Sports, and Hunting Sig P220 Thoughts?

[HHhuntitall]

HH what are the gun lubes you mentioned above like when the temps get below 0 Ive been using Shooter Choice FP-10 doesn't seem to get GOOOOOOEY when it gets cold like some of the others.

Lubriplate is basically mil-spec. It's like toothpaste at 0*F. Slide Glide and Friction Defense are both competitors to FP-10, very similar, all will gel around -40*F. FP-10 has good characteristics, but it's main ingredient, MT-10, is a polymer metal coating, preventing wear on high pressure points... ...

Kroil will get stiff like gear oil around -260*F... . :-laf

 

[Newt]

I've got some Kroil. Never thought of using it on a gun. Actually bought it from Brownells for bore cleaning not lubricating. But, then being a retired full time RV'er, I don't plan on being anyplace when it gets to 0, much less below.

Newt

 

[BIGNASTY]

I've got some Kroil. Never thought of using it on a gun. Actually bought it from Brownells for bore cleaning not lubricating. But, then being a retired full time RV'er, I don't plan on being anyplace when it gets to 0, much less below.



Newt

Newt

The deer and elk general rifle season ends every year on the Sunday immediately following Thanksgiving Thursday. Most of the time NONE but the hardiest of hunters want anything to do with hunting at that time, except ones that want a Trophy. Elk and Deer feed in wide open spaces day and night trying to get every last bit of fat on them they can before the dead of winter comes if not they wont make it. But COLD IS NOT THE WORD FOR IT!!!

 

[Newt]

Big

No where in the 5th wheel for a Elk Head!

Newt

 

[Flying_gage]

Well I got to shoot her yesterday!

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I am pretty happy!

Just for ****s and grins, I took out my G17, G23 and the P220. Wanted to do a little comparison shooting.

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They are totally different guns, I know, yet they are what I shoot on a relatively regular basis. In the end I think that did more harm that good for my accuracy. In the G17 I have a ghost "EVO" connector along with the spring kit giving a measured pull of 2. 5 to 2. 75lbs. Firing that gun is like no other Glock I have shot. I really like it!

The G23 also has a Ghost connector and springs for a measured pull of 4. 5lbs. It is also a good trigger, yet the snappiness of the cartridge makes shooting this gun not the pure enjoyment that the G17 is.

So two similar triggers with different weights and then I throw in the P220. In earlier portions of this thread, I mentioned that I thought the trigger felt like it had some gunk in it. After some dry firing, I didn't sense that anymore. It felt nice and crisp. Maybe it was in my head or maybe it hadn't been exercised in a while? Yet the triggers are totally different and firing them back to back yielded some interesting moments. Like when I went from the P220 to the G17. I had barely leveled it on the target and thinking I had only taken up the slack, it went boom. So I wisely put both the Glocks down and concentrated on the Sig.

Doing so didn't yield any more smoothness as I started having failure to feed issues.

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My natural rhythm being busted, the above target was the best I could get out of her yesterday. Yet I was able to glean the fact that I loved the balance of the gun itself. I really enjoyed the trigger for what it was and might leave it alone. In addition, I also found that the recoil was significantly different on the Sig vs. my G23. Shooting 230gr target loads, was like shooting a hotter 9mm load.

All in all, when I iron out the issues with the FTE's, (New mags as they are non stock mags) I could see this taking the place of the G23 in my bedside safe. Size does seemingly matter

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[Flying_gage]

I would call BS on the 10k rounds and it's still tight on the slide... . It's a . 45. They usually don't stay that tight that long, and I'd have to see it to believe it. Not to call the guy a liar, but there are several things that don't last that long. For one, if he shot jacketed bullets, the first inch or two of lands should be getting VERY thin. They should be visibly shallower at the throat than at the end of the barrel. Secondly, the bolt face should have a very definitive groove in it from the cartridge wearing on it when being fired and then ejected. Brass is soft, but over time, it will still wear the steel. Very few that are immaculately cared for will do that many rounds and still be tight... . Regardless, if the slide is tight, you're good to go, the price was right, so have fun doing it.

Keep us updated.

HH it has some rounds through her, of that I have no doubt. Yet I tend to agree with you. My experience being is that if a log is not kept on a gun, then people tend to overestimate; kind of like power stroke owners and their fuel mileage claims . I saw nothing like you describe in the bore. In fact it looks very uniform throughout. Couple that with the tightness of the slide and... .

In addition, as I mentioned, I worked with his brother. He was the flight nurse and I as the Flightmedic. I think that traits do pass through families. I really liked his brother yet can see how there may be an overestimation

On a different note, I think there may be some sort of cosmic connection between myself and this family as the following story may illustrate. .

A different partner and I flew to some podunk town in the middle of nowhere to transport a REALLY sick elderly gentleman to a larger facility for care. When we got there he was circling the drain; we had a blood pressure of 40/20. The crazy part was that the man was still coherent and talking to us. I have never experienced that prior or since. Well my partner and I busted ***, got some heavy duty drugs going into his system and even without much of a change in his condition, made the decision to launch as it was his only hope. About 5 mins off the pad, we lost his pulse and pressure. We did what we could and yet we couldn't get him back. His heart was too far gone to save.

Next morning the above flight nurse comes in and we are giving him the run down on the call. Seeming a little quiet, he listens intently and finally says that the patient had been his Uncle. He had been told by his family the night before that he had died, but wasn't given particulars. As we started talking about the town we flew too and the pt. condition and what happened, he put two and two together. It was a strange occurrence.

After he dealt with it, he then started chiding us for having killed his uncle. Only in EMS

 

[HHhuntitall]

After he dealt with it, he then started chiding us for having killed his uncle. Only in EMS

No... . That happens in lots of places. That humor comes from looking at death, and the realization that if it's your time, it's your time. Only God can change such, and seldom does..... Humor keeps us moving, and helps us deal with it. What better to do with our time than entertain ourselves at other's expense?!?

 

[BIGNASTY]

Big



No where in the 5th wheel for a Elk Head!



Newt

I give my Elk and Deer racks away, to a guy and his wife with that make things with them. Besides the wife said NO IM NOT WALKING THRU THE HOUSE WITH A GAME HEAD LOOKING AT ME!!!! She's the BOSS!!!

 

[kenny61]

I got an old sig 220 its my favorite gun and the one I carry when I carry. . why mod it. Its a work horse. .

 

[Dl5treez]

A close up picture of the top of the barrel and the areas around where the slide/frame/barrel all play together, can tell a LOT about the round count in a Sig pistol.

I wouldn't guesstimate 10,000 rounds, and I'm curious on the failure issues you are having. Also, you said the mags look aftermarket?

 

[Flying_gage]

DL the mags are aftermarket. They are pro-mags... I am having trouble finding mags at a reasonable price. Have any?

 

[HHhuntitall]

Factory Sig mags available at Brownells... ... . http://www.brownells.com/magazines/...magazine-prod41894.aspx?avs|Make~~Model_1=Sig Sauer__220

(I use Brownells as they have the best service. No one compares in service. Their prices are okay to decent on most stuff, but they'll get it to you quicker than anyone, and if they screw up, they'll bend over backwards to make it right, not that it happens much... . )

Define "decent" prices? If they are required to make it work properly, most likely the price is good... ...

 

[The patriot]

Pro mags suck in my experiences.
Had some that came with the LEO trade in P228. It wouldnt function.
I got some factory "zipperbacks" and it's 100%.
Get rid of the Pro mags.
JM. 02

 

[HHhuntitall]

Pro mags suck in my experiences.
Had some that came with the LEO trade in P228. It wouldnt function.
I got some factory "zipperbacks" and it's 100%.
Get rid of the Pro mags.
JM. 02

OH, they work okay!!! In CZ-75s or old 1911s, where there's enough slop to through a small animal in there and not notice!! :-laf

 

[Flying_gage]

"Decent" is a function of having five kids, with one on the way to college this fall... . LOL! I USED too only buy the best of everything when I had two jobs, a nominal mortgage and it was just me. I dropped $1500 on an exhaust for my bike I rode sparingly, yet it was worth it! That thing had a very unusual, emotive sound! Gone are those days and I wouldn't have it any different

I agree that I will have to do something. Via the various boards, $50 looks like the price for an original used 8 rounder. Found two original new 10rd'ers for $175.

I will check brownells to see what they have.

edit:After checking brownell's they are back ordered.

 

[HHhuntitall]

"Decent" is a function of having five kids, with one on the way to college this fall... . LOL! I USED too only buy the best of everything when I had two jobs, a nominal mortgage and it was just me. I dropped $1500 on an exhaust for my bike I rode sparingly, yet it was worth it! That thing had a very unusual, emotive sound! Gone are those days and I wouldn't have it any different

I agree that I will have to do something. Via the various boards, $50 looks like the price for an original used 8 rounder. Found two original new 10rd'ers for $175.

I will check brownells to see what they have.

edit:After checking brownell's they are back ordered.

Ooops!! I sent the link to the . 22lr conversion mags... . no wonder they were in stock!!! Still, you can backorder them, and should (usually!!) have them in 2-3 months..... What a problem to have!! The country with the most guns, but the fewest available magazines and ammo!!!

 

[Dl5treez]

Magazines have been hit n miss on supply since the Sandy Hook deal.

I use the factory Sig stainless magazines in my 220's with the American mag release. They seem to be the best performing in those pistols. Price was around the $20 each mark for used, and around $39 new, but with the heavy market load lately, prices have gone up.

I sold off most all of my P220 zipperbacks to other Sig collectors. Still have the zipperbacks for the euro release guns and others.

 

[HHhuntitall]

Dl5treez, I bought a guy's Pelican rifle case a guy had at a show. When I asked to look in it, I picked it up, and it was HEAVY!! Like, 100+lbs!! I set it on the floor instead of his table, and it was packed full of magazines for various handguns and rifles, 2 and 3 deep... ... He said he'd given up on selling them, and was going to have to take them out and box them up if I bought the case... . Of course, I asked him what he'd take for all of them, he wanted an offer, so I said I'd give him $300 for the case and mags... ... He jumped up and stuck his hand out and said, "SOLD!" It made me jump back a little he said it so loud and so excited... ... I tried not to smile too big as I walked out... . There were several mags for various Sigs, CZ-75s, Beretta's, and even several Desert Eagle 41 and 44magnum mags... ... My cousin said I should have gone lower, seeing as the foam was cut out in several places for some type of AK or SKS..... I remember there being some of the "zipperback" mags in there, which I sold to a LE friend who carried a 220 for duty... . I think I got $20ea for them!! The Desert Eagle 41mags went for $40, and the real kicker was the Steyr GB mags... . there 5 in there, and I had NO IDEA what to ask for them. Not a single person had even seemed interested, and I figured I'd be stuck with them... . so I asked a really eager guy to make me an offer. I figured if I could get $10ea I'd be doing wel... . he said "would you take $50 apiece?" I tried not to jump up and down, but I pretended to think about it a second and then agreed... . Wish I could come out that well on all my trading!!!

Of course, later on, I ended up taking a GB on trade that only had two mags, and I wished I had kept a few... . :-laf

 

[Flying_gage]

Magazines have been hit n miss on supply since the Sandy Hook deal.



I use the factory Sig stainless magazines in my 220's with the American mag release. They seem to be the best performing in those pistols. Price was around the $20 each mark for used, and around $39 new, but with the heavy market load lately, prices have gone up.



I sold off most all of my P220 zipperbacks to other Sig collectors. Still have the zipperbacks for the euro release guns and others.

A little leatherman surgery confirmed my suspicion. Over time the followers have widened the "throat" at the widest portion of the magazine. They work fine now, excepting that the slide will not lock back.



I am gonna call my local shop today. When I picked up my M1A he had 8 mags in the back of the store that were stashed away, (I am all about hoarding when it is my local gunshop owner!). Maybe he will have some squirreled away?



I will take some pics of the slide. The barrel shroud is no longer round; more oval than not.

 

[Flying_gage]

Here are those picks of the wear marks.

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