Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) Smarty S03 (98-02) Revolution software is now available

[NoSeeUm]

Well... . Something really weird is now happeing to me when I try to load / re-load a new SW.



It started today, and I swore to myself I was only going to mess with the ABS, after I was re-loading SW3 only for some option changes. The truck starts OK, but the RPM's immediately jump to 1200 for a few seconds then the truck dies. I check for codes. I about tripped off-line when I got a p1691 and my truck will not re-start.

P1691

Fuel Injection Pump Controller Calibration Failure

I re-loaded SW3 ---> same deal

I loaded stock SW ---> same deal



After about 17 hail Mary's (or something close) and trying different things, the truck still will not start. It cranks, but no ignition.



I got to thinking this seemed allot like the behavior when the truck goes into the door lock anti-theft mode. So I get out, using my key, lock the doors and then un-lock the doors. I get back in, and the engine fires right up as nothing was abnormal.



This has happened exactly like this for the two SW downloads I have done since I first solved the problem. Each time it throws a p1691, the truck starts the first time revs to 1200 RPM then dies and it will not re-start until I do the key in the door lock thing. The code I can clear and it does not come back until I do another download.



Anything like this happen to anyone else? Perhaps Bob W. can chime in?



Thanks;

Jim

 

[darkhorse]

Anything like this happen to anyone else? Perhaps Bob W. can chime in?



Thanks;

Jim[/QUOTE]



That's a weird one, Jim. Have you down loaded one of the anti theft programs?

 

[NoSeeUm]

Anything like this happen to anyone else? Perhaps Bob W. can chime in?



Thanks;

Jim

That's a weird one, Jim. Have you down loaded one of the anti theft programs?[/QUOTE]



Not, that I know off.



I had already made one download earlier that day with no hiccups.



Why do you think it threw the p1691?



Jim

 

[JGoss]

28,000 lbs on a STOCK truck is asking ALOT. @ 28K the N. T. H. S. A sure wouldn't be too thrilled :-laf But being a betting man I would say that with the Revo you changed power delivery over to the early side of delivery through a stock engine coupled with the ever so frail stock clutch. With a load like that air and fuel just cannot make it through the engine fast enough in the new powerband.

Belief it or not the truck does really good, other than braking. It's only about once a week to the sawmill. I put the non revo back on and it's a lot better now. The load today, temps didn't exceed 1200 degrees. We had about 2000' bd. ft. of white oak on a 24' PJ. A bigger truck would be great, but the added cost of ins. , CDL, and other expenses of a big truck are not worth the hassle no more than we haul.

 

[Bob Wagner]

Jim, Thank you no other reports but I will bring it to Marco's attention for review.





Thanks Jim



Bob

 

[NoSeeUm]

Jim, Thank you no other reports but I will bring it to Marco's attention for review.



Thanks Jim



Bob

Thanks Bob



Are we still supposed to be getting the p0602 code? I am not getting that one.



Jim

 

[rotohead]

So am I correct in assuming that a 98. 5 auto won't see any difference in performance adjusting the TM optional setting with any sw#?

I must have cyber-bad breath or something... I can't get answers to my question on this thread. Isn't there an answer to this?

 

[rotohead]

I must have cyber-bad breath or something... I can't get answers to my question on this thread. Isn't there an answer to this?

So, 388 posts on TDR and this will be the final one for me. I'm done with TDR (and their vendors) since I can't get any answers and that is the ultimate reason we're all here, isn't it? I'm sure it has something to do about my 'attitude' or other nonsense but I can get this kind of help from my three year old. goodbye

 

[darkhorse]

Sorry rotohead. I wish I could help you, but I too am a bit unsure of what the various settings actually do to the injection event. But don't take it personally. Lots of people are waiting for answers to specific questions. Where is the answer an when you want him? With all that understood, I still love what this programmer does for my daily driving. :-laf

 

[rweis]

You can always set it to stock and sit tight for a while.



Relax,



Bob Weis

 

[aircop]

Why don't you try the TM out, turn it all the way up and see if it makes a difference. That should give you a answer. My truck is a 98. 5 and it seems to fuel harder with TM turned up.

 

[NoSeeUm]

Some where in this thread some one, I believe it was Boondocker, mentioned that raising the duration caused throttle response to mellow out. Strictly talking the subjective SOP meter here.



After doing some testing I think that I think that it is more a combonation of high timing in conjunction with high duration.



For example:

SW3 TQ5 T2 D4

and

SW3 TQ5 T4 D2



Those two seem about the same to me. I prefer D4 though, as it seems to want to fuel better up around 2500 rpm and beyond. The power curve just has a zip to it.



If I switch to:

SW3 TQ5 T4 D4



The throttle response seems generally more flattened out at just about any rpm. Especially, I feel like I really have to push to make 2500 rpm. Also the smoke just seems blacker longer and thicker, where as I get very little black smoke more greyish on the other settings under moderate acceleration.



Any one else do any experimentation along these lines?



Jim

 

[BILLVO]

With the sw loaded to stock do the other settings actually still change things? When it is vin unlocked it will still give you the options of setting the timing torque ect. Does it still actually adjust these if it is unlocked in stock program?



I ask because I have my smarty sold and want to know if I need to take everything back to default before shippinf it.



The only settings I have changed are the TQ to 6 and the speed limiter to 150mph. Is this OK? I have plans of adding a BD top speed eliminator tq eliminator so should I take it to default or can I leave things as is?

 

[Bob Wagner]

stock is stock. you lose the other settings

 

[BILLVO]

Thanks Bob. The second gen smarty just wasn't for me and my rig, but the 3rd gen JR is awesome. Am waiting for more info on the POD for it.

 

[AKaiser]

With the sw loaded to stock do the other settings actually still change things? When it is vin unlocked it will still give you the options of setting the timing torque ect. Does it still actually adjust these if it is unlocked in stock program?

I ask because I have my smarty sold and want to know if I need to take everything back to default before shippinf it.

The only settings I have changed are the TQ to 6 and the speed limiter to 150mph. Is this OK? I have plans of adding a BD top speed eliminator tq eliminator so should I take it to default or can I leave things as is?

The other guy can't use it unless it's VIN unlocked, which means you have to set it to Stock. And like Bob said, Stock is STOCK, no tweaks to anything.

 

[BILLVO]

The other guy can't use it unless it's VIN unlocked, which means you have to set it to Stock. And like Bob said, Stock is STOCK, no tweaks to anything.

Reread the first sentence in post 153. I know about the vin unlock my question was simply if the options it still gives you to change things actually did at stock sw level which Bob answered. I have been a smarty user since the beginning so The only questions I had was with the new sw.

 

[telliott]

it seems to me most everyone is running sw#3. Anyone done much testing with the higher numbers? Is sw 3 still running harder than say 8 or 9 when tm, tq, and D are the same?

 

[darkhorse]

I run #9 with everything turned all the way up. I have no problem pulling a loaded horse trailer & giving the horses a comfortable rid. I get no surging, little smoke, modest egt's & well over 20 mpg on the highway.

 

[gregdoerfler]

when you adjust the settings do you have to load a new sw level to get the settings to be enabled? I have changed just the settings but there is no difference between them on 1 or maxed out?