Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) Smarty VP44 REVO Beta, Whats working 4U

[BILLVO]

Now that the Beta software has been sent out to quite a few people here and on several other boards I see little info popping up here on TDR about it so I figured I would start a new thread and see what settings are working on peoples specific setups and how everyone was liking it. I just got the software loaded and loaded catcher#4 into my rig with default Torque,timing and duration and will try it tomorrow night.



Let us know the specifics and try to keep this simple.



Catcher 0-9



Torque 0-6



Injection Timing 0-4



Injection duration 0-5



If anything was stacked with it or not ect.



Maybe Bob will chime in and answer the questions asked on every board.



What do the timing torque and duration settings all change and what are the effects of each and what is or isn't safe to tow with ect?

 

[johncameron]

Really! Are there new updates for us VP44 guys!

I'll have to get me some of that!

John

 

[BILLVO]

Really! Are there new updates for us VP44 guys!



I'll have to get me some of that!



John

Just Beta for testing for now. Send Bob a message and he will send the Beta to try.



So far lots of good feed back on less smoke and smoother and some say the cruise is usable again. Some say that on some settings the half throttle drop thing is still there but only on some settings lots and lots of combos to try with it now. The changes are fast to do to. it only takes a few seconds to make a setting change like timing, duration ect.

 

[johncameron]

I'm beta testing, I just updated the truck and will hit the road tomorrow. I'll post back my impressions (-:

John

 

[DIESELWRKS]

Beta

So far I have tried sw-9-7-5 with full vales on tim,dur,tq. my truck does seem smoother on take off. I would have a rather hard chop with the clutch releasing making me take off on higher rpms. this seems smoother now. my egt gauge is on the fritz its responding really sluggish, so I cannot tell for sure about egt's. turbo seems more peppy as well as the throttle response. I have tried timing on half value and couldnt really tell diff. I have also ran the same settings as above mentioned with my TST on 2,4,6 the truck doesnt seem to be as peppy with this but that is adding fuel. I shouldnt say as peppy just seems to charge up different. smoke control is good I before would dump a puke ball when I took off hard in sw9 now its not so bad more dark grey. also I dont know what tq-mang is completeley but on old software 9 and TST on 4 or higher I could slip my FE clutch pretty easy. now it hasnt done it. dont know if the TQ mang has something to do with this running it on tq-mang 6.



over all compared to old software there are alot of combo's that really unless I run the same road and same style of driving towing or not. this is going to take awhile to see what I like for daily, or freeway driving. smoke control is great now. really smooth I did feel on sw5 sorta the half peddle end of power feeling in 4th and 5th gear but I did worse on the old smarty software.



info. would like to understand the values of tq-man, timing and duration. me still scratch head on this one. but we all here on tdr will sort this out in time.

okay enough of my 2cents.



2002 HO 6-SPD LB 4X4 QC HTT 62/14 SB-FE TST PM3/*REVO-BETA*SMARTY MACH 4'S, RINGED AND STUDS, AFE/2 " 4"EXHAUST D/PRICOL GAUGES, FASS 150, VULCAN 1/2 DRAW-STRAW, 3/8 FUEL LINE, DSS-TRAC-BAR STEER-BOX, AIR BAGS,17'' KMC BLACK HOSS, 315/70/17 MICKTHOM MTZ'S 6" RCD LONG ARM LIFT AND DE-BADGED FOR FUEL MILEAGE. :-laf... THANKS RIP www.SOURCEAUTOMOTIVE.BIZ

 

[OWeigel]

As I wrote in the Original REVO thread I´m searching after minimal or no half throttle drop.

At that time I had only investigated the Catcher SW´s and found out the SW #4&5 with duration set to 1 was the best, but it was still there and you could feel it fighting against Fuelstretch(ADR wiretap). Switched to SW 3 and the feeling was much better or gone. Havent tried it without fuelstretch yet.

I have to try raising the duration and see if/when it come back.



Going bracketracing this weekend, so hopefully I have dialed it in before eleminationtime... Oo. (first time dragracing for me. I have been nervous since monday:-laf)



TorqueManagement is only for Auto´s 01-02 if I remember it right... .

 

[johncameron]

I played on a few different settings today and I find them to be all around smoother. For a short trip on the freeway I tried SW1, TQ1, Timing4, duration1 and I much prefer it over the previous SW1. I didn't get excessive timing rattle but for sure wouldn't tow with this setting. I also tried everything at the top and it seemed more linear than before and probably faster spool-up.



I'm happy so far but have lots more testing to do.



John

 

[BILLVO]

My first impression of swo #4 with all defaults. I was not impressed. It ran just like the old SWO #4 program and it shifts way too soon again and it gobs smoke down low like before. It does spool the turbo about 300-400 rpm sooner than the pump alone and It did loose the surging it had before on old program which is why I took it out after the HRVP44 was installed. Lope came back at idle and lower rpms but to a slight degree not bad. Throttle doesn't seem a whole lot smoother a tich if any from before.



Cruise still unusable even worse it seems.



Reprogrammed SWO #2 with default settings when I got home will try it tonight on way to work.



I will try different swo's until I find one that seems to work before messing with other settings. I think that if it doesn't meet my standards on the main defaults the subsettings are not going to help.

 

[Jefff929]

Let us know the specifics and try to keep this simple.



Catcher 0-9 9 is there any other?:-laf



Torque 0-6 have run through them all, IMO 5, 6 are harsh.

1, 2, are sluggish.

Kind of hard to describe, I wish I knew what it is supposed to do.



Injection Timing 0-4 I seem to like 3 or 4, I'll probably use default for whatever I'm running (9) to tow with. :-laf



Injection duration 0-5 I'm not sure what this does. I didn't like the way the truck sounded on 1, sort of tinny.

On the higher numbers 4 & 5 it seemed to decrease smoke and have a deeper engine tone. I don't really know how to describe, seems to have power not snap yet molasses comes to mind.



If anything was stacked with it or not ect. nope, 4" BHAF FASS DD2s and trany mods



Maybe Bob will chime in and answer the questions asked on every board. If he and or Marco even know.



What do the timing torque and duration settings all change and what are the effects of each and what is or isn't safe to tow with ect?

I wasn't sure, because I just started playing, so I set everything back to default and L9 and it seems like the old program is still there.



I spent the better part of yesterday out driving around, over small hills and flat straight using cruise to see what I liked and didn't. I picked L9 wanting the most noticeable change I could get at each setting individually. I kept moving as I didn't want anyone to think I was casing the neighborhood, pulling over every so often to sit for several minutes to change settings, "Mom, that white pickup is back again. "



I hope this helps. I bet every truck is different due to mods, driving style, usage and preferences... I aim for towing and mpg.

 

[johncameron]

My first impression of swo #4 with all defaults. I was not impressed. It ran just like the old SWO #4 program and it shifts way too soon again and it gobs smoke down low like before. It does spool the turbo about 300-400 rpm sooner than the pump alone and It did loose the surging it had before on old program which is why I took it out after the HRVP44 was installed. Lope came back at idle and lower rpms but to a slight degree not bad. Throttle doesn't seem a whole lot smoother a tich if any from before.



Cruise still unusable even worse it seems.



Reprogrammed SWO #2 with default settings when I got home will try it tonight on way to work.



I will try different swo's until I find one that seems to work before messing with other settings. I think that if it doesn't meet my standards on the main defaults the subsettings are not going to help.

From what I understand you loaded the default settings which are exactly the same as before. You should try using lower TQ and duration settings to "soften" the response.



John

 

[Jefff929]

My first impression of swo #4 with all defaults. I was not impressed. It ran just like the old SWO #4 program ***

As it should.



From my understanding, that is exactly what it is. If you never adjust the sub settings, that is all you are ever going to have.



I would be very disappointed if I loaded up the default Smarty programs and got less than the old on my backside dyno.

 

[BILLVO]

All 10 programs are catchers on this software. I could see If #4 was the same but 0-3 on original program were not catchers and the 6 that were had 3 with and 3 without timing so it is nearly impossible to have the same thing with this program especially in setting 0-3.





Why won't Bob set us all straight here?

 

[johncameron]

Why wouldn't it be?



If levels 0-2 wern't catcher softwares what were they Edge?????

 

[BILLVO]

Why wouldn't it be?



If levels 0-2 wern't catcher softwares what were they Edge?????

Please read slowly and get your facts straight. Here is the proof





I am talking about the original software. 0 was half power 1 was economy 2was fuel and boost fooling 3 was fueling boost fooling with timing, No catchers there. The other 3 catchers had 2 settings with and without timing.



The new software has all ten settings as catchers so tell me how they can be the same.

 

[johncameron]

Please read slowly and get your facts straight. Here is the proof





I am talking about the original software. 0 was half power 1 was economy 2was fuel and boost fooling 3 was fueling boost fooling with timing, No catchers there. The other 3 catchers had 2 settings with and without timing.



The new software has all ten settings as catchers so tell me how they can be the same.

0-1-2-3 are smarty softwares and maybe they sould have written "To use the default "TQ/TIMING/DURATION" setting for the current SMARTY level press 0.



It does seem strange that you can adjust the timing on a non-timing level, but that will be handy to be able to use SW1 to tow by reducing the ammount of timing (-:



John

 

[blacksheepdiesel]

John,

I ran my original Catcher ecm and now my Smarty on SW#1 while towing all the time, over 300,000 miles now. Never any issue even while towing heavy (26,000 on the scale at times). I replaced the head gasket at 575,000 miles because it was seeping under the thermostat since the day I bought it. No head or piston damage at all and the head gasket was completely intact except under the thermostat. Now at 670,000 miles and still going strong on SW#1.

I realize that every truck is different from mine in some way, i. e. , fuel boxes, downloaders, turbos, injectors, how it is driven, etc. For me, SW #1 works perfect.

Godspeed,
Trent

 

[BILLVO]

Test drove SW#2 with all default settings last night for 130 miles round trip to work.



It felt like I had loaded truck back to stock. I couldn't tell I had a different program loaded. It ran no different to me than running stock software. It seemed to have a bit less smoke down low but that was all I noticed.



Tonight I will try SW#1 with default settings.

 

[DIESELWRKS]

settings

Well I have run a couple settings I really think that time will only tell for which settings will be the best. everyone has diff, injec,stacks auto's,manuals etc. I really hope that we could get more info on the new settings. and what they actually do. stock moderae wild etc. doesnt explain much to me except what it feels driving. hopefully soon Bob will give us this info on how much % of timing is this. since I have a 6 speed is tq-mang useless. I dont feel a diff from tq-mang on any of the settings. Im sure there is alot of us feeling this and having these same questions. time will tell

 

[BILLVO]

Well I tried SW#1,default settings and was totally unimpressed. I am thinking we were sent a placibo with the same programs as before with unexplained adjustable limits. If SW#1 is a catcher program I would be surprised, it felt like half power on my setup and the smoke down low was the worst I have seen from my rig in 6 years. Unloaded again until further explanations from you know who comes along. SOP says nothing has changed from before except more buttons to push to make you think things are changing.

 

[johncameron]

I had the chance to tow with the new REVO software and I feel it is a great improvement over the previous version.



I used SW1:

TQ:3

Timing:2

Dur4



Previously I used SW3, with this new setting I much prefer the first 1/2 throttle as it is much softer and more linear. Taking off from a stop is easier to be "smokeless". once you push the throttle past 1/2 all hell breaks loose as it should.



I feel these new adjustments bring the smarty to a new level, I didn't expect another 100HP, we know thats not going to happen. It gives us the option to taylor it to what we want depending on our trucks. Bravo to Marco and Bob for still supporting the older trucks



Happy customer,



John