Smogging Texas truck in California

[cerberusiam]

All 325 engines are 50 state certified CARB compliant, that certification is under the EPA column on the sticker. It is the same as the 04.5. All 05's are EOBDII protocol so they are by definition OBDII compliant. All 325 engines are also ETH sales code, that is simply the designation for HO engines. It was meaningless in 05 since they were all HO but the designation is still attached.

If the monitor won't set and the dealer can't fix it without a new ECU, time for a referee and hope he is in a good mood.

 

[tigerdrvr]

Great information. Thanks for taking time to post it up.

 

[p-Bar]

Cerb Why the different stickers then?

 

[AH64ID]

They look the same, just one of you posted info the other didn't. Tiger didn't show us everything so we don't know if they are different.

I did notice that your advertised fuel rate is lower than mine... Odd considering they are both supposed to be 325hp. Makes me wonder if it's the 10 lb/ft difference, but that should be at 1600 rpms and not 2900.

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EDIT: you have CARB numbers and I have EPA numbers of the same value. We also have different CPL's with the same catalyst.

 

[cerberusiam]

That looks exactly the same as mine, would guess that all the 05's look the same.

The different sticker is probably due to the change over on engine design mid year. The 04's were certified under CARB but not at the Federal level for all engines. The SO engine was dropped and all engines then met a federal level that basically adopted the CARB specs. More bureaucracy paper work design, in the end it means the same thing. Sometimes getting state level minions to understand and recognize it ends up being a huge headache.

Bottom line is if the statutes now require all monitors to be functional , then they have to be or a referee is involved. The absence of any other codes even with the monitor not ready should allow a pass, but, it may be the same fight every year unless it is fixed to say ready.

 

[p-Bar]

Funny though mine is a 04.5 maybe they didn't have the new stickers yet. The smog shop references mine as an 04

 

[cerberusiam]

Funny though mine is a 04.5 maybe they didn't have the new stickers yet. The smog shop references mine as an 04

It is an MY 04. Too many of the documents simply do not take into account the differences when there is a major engine change and emissions change in am MY. The people making the guidelines have ZERO idea about the changes and simply go off what they are given.

 

[tigerdrvr]

As an update: Brought the truck back to the dealer yesterday and left it with their diesel tech. He couldn't get the Dodge supported ECM re-flash called for in the TSB to get the Misfire monitor ready. He did provide me with factory documentation to support what he did to the truck and did not charge me anything.

So, it is off to the BAR referee on June 19. I feel I have a solid "case" to get an allowance (no CEL, no DTC's, stock truck, 2/3 monitors ready), but we'll see. I do think, as this new standard went into effect less than a month ago, that Dodge is going to have many more owners wondering WTF to do. I personally know of two friends with CA sales code 2004.5-2006 5.9's that don't have all three monitors "ready"...one only has the Fuel monitor shown as set and it is also bone stock.

 

[Bob4x4]

I looked at a customers 05 it had all 3 good. I'll have to remember to peek at my 05. I still say try a smarty. I have used one a couple tes to fix problem trucks

 

[tigerdrvr]

I looked at a customers 05 it had all 3 good. I'll have to remember to peek at my 05. I still say try a smarty. I have used one a couple tes to fix problem trucks

If any of the guys I know had a Smarty, I'd give it a try. But, seeing as I plan to keep the truck stock, it is hard to justify spending $495 on a programmer...unless I'm missing something?

 

[Regcabguy]

Funny though mine is a 04.5 maybe they didn't have the new stickers yet. The smog shop references mine as an 04

My friend's Ca '04.5 325 hp engine is referenced as an '04 too at the smog shop. The tech couldn't figure out why the cat was on there.

 

[Bob4x4]

You don't leave the smarty on. Just program to any level than back to stock. As long as the smarty has the latest update in it

 

[tigerdrvr]

You don't leave the smarty on. Just program to any level than back to stock. As long as the smarty has the latest update in it

But, the temptation would be to put a tune on the truck...and then have to rebuild the poor excuse of an auto trans the next month

 

[Bob4x4]

How true. All it takes is a quick test drive to be hookedl

 

[tigerdrvr]

Last update (for at least the next two years...)

Truck now is registered and has its new CA plates. The BAR Referee was able to pass. I'm not sure I understand exactly what they based it on (well, besides the truck being smog compliant LOL), but he said something about "we entered it as a Federal/50 state truck, rather than CA, and the test specs only required 2 out of 3 monitors to be ready". Not sure if that is the actual answer, but maybe something for others to ask for if going to a local smog testing facility, i.e. have them enter the truck into the system as "50 state".

 

[p-Bar]

Glad you got it . Good luck in 2 years . Think you'll get the tech to enter in 50 state truck next time? Guess you show him the sticker on the side of the valve cover.

 

[tigerdrvr]

So, this is kind of funny.

I had to smog another vehicle yesterday and took it to my normal guy...the one who couldn't help me with the '05 CTD that started this thread. We started talking about what I had to do to get my truck smogged (BAR referee, 50 state etc). He logs onto the CARB site and there is now an explicit line item for 2005 Dodge Cummins Diesel which states that the trucks are exempt from the OBDII monitor readiness requirement or similar. I guess the state finally figured out that these trucks had coding that didn't work with their blanket requirement.

 

[retirednak]

I grew up in Cali & can remember when you could not buy nor register a V8 manual transmission car of that same yr/yrs. I forget the model yrs. It didn't last long and not sure why California decided a manual trans V8 would pollute more then an auto trans. Real glad I moved.

 

[Regcabguy]

I grew up in Cali & can remember when you could not buy nor register a V8 manual transmission car of that same yr/yrs. I forget the model yrs. It didn't last long and not sure why California decided a manual trans V8 would pollute more then an auto trans. Real glad I moved.

I think it had something to do with the rpm's dropping between shifts and emitting excessive pollutants.
Nonsense.