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DISCLAIMER, THIS IS A LONG WINDED POST, PLEASE USE YOUR OWN BEST JUDGEMENT PRIOR TO READING, THERE IS A IGNORE POST BUTTON AND IGNORE USER BUTTON. PLEASE CONSIDER THOSE OPTIONS PRIOR TO GOING DOWN THIS RABBIT HOLE. All are welcome to follow, just don't say I did not warn you.

I don't know why I felt the need to start off with that, but this will be a long post and figure would toss out some sort of warning.

There will be relevant technical posting after this initial post, but have to get this down on paper to make it real.

My 96 250p project is horribly stalled out, I'm going to make a push to get it back rolling will I make it, hard to say. It's kinda almost a Barn Find for someone.

It's always been in the garage since I picked it up in maybe 2015.

I had put a decent amount of time into it and we used it quite a bit for pulling hay on the farm my inlaws have.

The elephant in the room was the Trans went out on it, and I had the bright idea of rebuilding my 47RE, and alot like on Scooby-Doo if it wasn't for these blasted kids I could have finished it. In all seriousness we had our daughter in 2017 and son in 2019 and they truly much more enjoyable then this truck that I've never had over 55mph.

It's super nice body wise everything was redone by an previous owner of a high end body shop it was his personal rig, he replaced the entire frame and did countless hours of rework, but he is a body guy and alot of the mechanical was not touched, so I still had at least 200hr of clean up on all sorts of stuff. Which kinda now I can point out on any rig just how much work someone will need to do. It has some flaws I know them all pretty much.

The time spent on the truck has been fun but it's time to get it going and get it on down the road.

Current To Do List


Interior
- Mice got into it so I pulled it all out, cleaned it up, current state removed.

Carpet/Headliner
I've had a ACC carpet kit and headliner for awhile. Never installed so have it all to do.

Seats
The seats were already nicely recovered by PO, but they never painted the frames so they are rusty, who does that.... kinda the whole story of the vehicle. Just been fixing stuff that never should have been put back together.

Floor
Again fighting PO, they reused the old jute backing and spray glued it down to the newly painted cab floor, what a disaster, it pretty much rusted the thing in place. The carpet was always trash when I got it, but instead of a simple remove and replace from a fresh rebuild, it's hours of rework. I have the POR-15 kit for the floor. Needs to be sanded and done over.

Shifter Boot
I can't figure out what the heck these folks did to secure this thing, it's hacked in there permanently, still need to.figure that out, again adds to what should be 5min job, they did something funky to secure it, so I just cut around it for now, but need to figure out what they did.

Heater Box
It's highly unlikely the mice did not infiltrate the heater box, but have not made it that far for inspection.

It's always been stuck on Defrost, supposedly they broke the vacuum line on rebuild, they told me that when I got it, truck has never seen the snow/salt since I have owned it, but have a plow that came with it, PO used it to plow his small.business and home driveway.

Exterior
Not much to do, needs a bath, probably a good clean and buff some wax and it's local cruise night winner.

It has one dent behind the drivers door. Came that way from PO, has a run and defect on upper cowl kinda below the hood but on the cab, but if I did not point it out, hard to find.

Door bottom on drivers side even though I have never driven this in the rain, snow, winter the damn door bottom has a single little hole starting. The rockers were all replaced and they have rust in-between them a little, the PO did use it for plowing and the floor from above was horrible from the wet feet when they glued the carpet kit down, it just ran rampant. I spent many hours cleaning the truck just can't win in the NE.

Engine
Hardly broken in, 205k. But it's a NE truck.
P-Pump is very crusty, as is throttle linkage.

Have a new throttle cable and Trans cable, not installed.

Have a new PS pump not installed. The bottle was very crusty and there is a leak on the typical vacuum pump, that came back, the thing was so crusty I'm not surprised.

Oil pan, it was new with the truck but needs to come off they used some horrible orange permatex junk, like some kid slapped it together. Have the gasket.

Lots of rework done.

Probably would do well with a Pump refresh, some 215 injectors, needs a new throttle linkage, and I would do the fuel lines if they don't clean up.

Transmission
So here if your still reading things fell off the rails. A decent 47RE goes for $4k-$6k, it is what it is, mine has always been shot came that way, the one time I tried to take it on RT80 from exit 25 to 12, only 13 miles I had to bail at 19 and take the back roads. It never had 4th gear, around here the local roads are all 45mph roads, so you can cruise at 50mph all day long and never really hold too many folks up.

So I took on the project to rebuild the thing, did tons of reading and the sort, have all the tools to do it. Got it apart lots of clutch damage and the normal stuff. I got a Goerend rebuild kit, VB, converter. Along with all sorts of other goodies. Got it all 80% back together. And life just happens and next thing you know it's been on the floor for 2 years.

I have one really bad screw on the top retainer of the OD it's a small plate with some flat head screws was all corroded. It broke and needs to come out.

There might be one or two stripped pan bolts were that way from day 1. They had a nut and bolt on the one, it might stay that way. Is what it is. But to do it right need to break it back down again and clean up the internals and soak the clutch packs again. I wrapped the whole thing in plastic, so it's not horrible, but will see.

Transfer Case
Status: Removed with Trans


Needs rebuild, have torque king kit.

Drive Shaft
Status: half removed.


Has stripped bolt on one rear U joint, was put together at some point by PO, in a horrible fashion, no surprise based on the above.

Brakes and Tires
Status: Brakes normal lube and inspect, tires replace.


Brakes should be gone over and fluid flushed, pads and sort are probably good, just lube slides and inspect.

Tires probably date coded out already, nothing special were BFG all terrains.

Differentials
Status: need service


Normal service required. Never touched them my self, did the PO, doubt it but someone should find out.

So where do we go from here......

Option 1: Sell as is, where is, how is good luck.

Option 2: Get Trans back together and enjoy the success of doing atleast that. Even if I drive it on milk crates and forgo the rest of the list.

Option 3. Complete the list, then sell.

Option 4: this is some sort of pick your own adventure, turn to page 1076 to complete full list, turn to page next page to sell the truck...... next page just = Fin

Either way if you made it this far, thanks for reading, if you made it this far and are annoyed at this post, there is always that ignore post and user option.
 
Are you going to "Make" the time to get to this?

For sale "Some assembly required" "Ran when I parked it." :D

Are you going to keep it "if" you get to it? Even if you don't "Runs and Drives" commands a price above parting it out. Normally it's not good to invest in repairs before selling a vehicle, but, nothing is normal about used vehicle value at this time. You wait too long, doing repairs slowly, and the value in the market can go away.

Shortcut: haul the trans to a rebuild shop and get a working trans back to shove in. This would eliminate a big overwhelming job so that everything else is minor details. Working transmission is better than nothing, "expensive built" but not working, half done, etc. Price the labor on a transfer case rebuild as an additional time saving shortcut.
 
I'd put it on the market as a parts truck, best offer. The cost of repairing it would far exceed the price difference you could sell it for if it was driveable. Time to cut your losses.
 
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Are you going to "Make" the time to get to this?

For sale "Some assembly required" "Ran when I parked it." :D

Are you going to keep it "if" you get to it? Even if you don't "Runs and Drives" commands a price above parting it out. Normally it's not good to invest in repairs before selling a vehicle, but, nothing is normal about used vehicle value at this time. You wait too long, doing repairs slowly, and the value in the market can go away.

Shortcut: haul the trans to a rebuild shop and get a working trans back to shove in. This would eliminate a big overwhelming job so that everything else is minor details. Working transmission is better than nothing, "expensive built" but not working, half done, etc. Price the labor on a transfer case rebuild as an additional time saving shortcut.

I'm sure I'm not keeping it. I can pass on to my father in law as a farm truck he would put it to good use over there. It's a super capable truck just not in my hands.

I'd put it on the market as a parts truck, best offer. The cost of driving repairing it would far exceed the price you could sell it for if it was driveable. Time to cut your losses.
I will gather up the parts and pieces this weekend and come up with a better idea of what exactly I have for this thing Make an inventory list and post up some current pictures.

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The interior deal was a sidetrack, I never planned on that coming out the way it had to be removed. So that's a big minus. But it had to all come out it was really bad.
 
Oh, man. I can really understand your dilemma. I was hoping that I could restore my 1996 4x4 before I retired. Nope. I worked more hours per week in the last nine years than I had ever before. Now I am hoping to get it restored while I am physically able to do so.

We bought it new. It has less than 85,000 miles on it. It has Arizona Paint Disease. That means that the paint is either peeling off or evaporating. The interior is shot. I have replacement dashboard parts, but the headliner is acting like snow. And I'm busier retired than I was working. (How did that happen?)
 
Oh, man. I can really understand your dilemma. I was hoping that I could restore my 1996 4x4 before I retired. Nope. I worked more hours per week in the last nine years than I had ever before. Now I am hoping to get it restored while I am physically able to do so.

We bought it new. It has less than 85,000 miles on it. It has Arizona Paint Disease. That means that the paint is either peeling off or evaporating. The interior is shot. I have replacement dashboard parts, but the headliner is acting like snow. And I'm busier retired than I was working. (How did that happen?)
That's super low miles. The headliner kit I got was a universal one, maybe I get to that and post up if it works out.

I know that's true for my Dad he is super busy being retired which is a good thing. My focus the last 4 years are the kids, so I'm super satisfied with where we are it's just time to get things in order out in the garage.

I met with a good friend today who's been a mechanic for 40 something years, we talked it over and since I have almost zero cost involved here in most of what I reviewed he suggested I find 5 solid days of work over say the next month and see where we land a month from now. His idea is what's another month for this truck and set a goal, fail again for good or bad reasons and then punt. It still all has to be collected and the sort either way.

So my plan as of now is to get a white board from my shop tomorrow, we have a few spares we just took down, hang it up at home and just make a list and see what we can do with this 5 day idea and who knows where we land. Maybe by posting up the progress and keeping track will make good headway.
 
Wish I lived closer. We could have a truck rework weekend.

The white board is a really good idea. I used to do many kinds of planning that way. I am almost (not quite) ashamed to admit that with two attorneys, we planned out a prosecution on three large wall mounted white boards. We got to the end and the lead attorney said, "That was smart, but how do we get all this on paper?" I took digital pictures and asked a staff assistant to compile the notes in an outline form.
 
Yeah I need to see it like that for some reason.

I put up some 6' x 4' ones in my conference room that are glass magnetic, they work pretty well, we made some custom little Status bingo chips and super glued rare earth magnets to the back.

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