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hbarlow i have no doubt that my opinion or anyone elses is of any value to you. maybe thats a good thing. i for have learned from my peoples exeriences however often they need to be from people i know and trust. a foolish man learns from his mistakes, while a wise man learns from others. with that said i do not claim to be wise. many times i have had to learn from my mistakes when i should have learned it before hand from others, but such is life we are all often very hard headed.
as for presumeing to tell you or anyone else how to conduct themselves. first lets see what the word means. my source is merriam webster Presume - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary presume means among several things "to undertake without leave or justification" in other words to dare. "to expect or assume especially with confidence". so yes i do presume to tell someone how to cunduct themselves; when i state that someone is being stupid or childish. both of which i said, one stated the other implied. i am basing that opinion on what society calls propper behavior for adults. this could be wrong that is possible, but i ask you both are there not certain expectations concerning our conduct as adults? do we not refer to acts of throwing insults at each other with the intent to dicredit them childish bickering? if these are true then are not both of your comments made to each other childish in nature?
now, do i not have the right to state anything i would like, whether or not it is based on anything truthful or factual? this is not the point of my post though. what i was trying to say is that this bickering back and forth is ridiculous. it is what childeren do, and should have no part in these forums. as i stated before im not looking to attack anyone and i am not picking sides. these forums would be a lot more enjoyable to read if everyone could simply state their thoughts give their reasons and not be flamed. hbarlow like i have said you do have some good input on many subjects and that information can and should be considered by all and evaluated as to what tuths there might be despite what one's opinion of that person might be.
I reacted to HBarlow's sarcasm and rudeness as I saw fit. And as far as I'm concerned, his tone and attitude set the stage in this particular thread.
I will be the first to admit that Barlow annoys me very often, usually because he finishes a sentence with a an attack on someone's political leanings. He's always right, and never wrong, and very seldom has anything nice to say. And in turn I tend to have little nice to say to him either.
Call me childish if you like, but sometimes you have to call Harvey out on his own brand of childishness and bs. He doesn't hold back with his venomous attacks on folks. Just look at some of his postings in the Political Forum for a little taste.
I've gained a lot of very valuable information from this fine group of Cummins enthusiasts. And in return for all those folks sharing their experiences and knowledge, I try to give back by also relating my experiences. If I break something or make a mistake I try to own up to it, and put it out there so others can also learn. And if I think I have a good fix for something I try and share it too. I understand that this is a community and it lives and dies according to the participation of it's members.
All it takes is a few malcontents like Harvey (or Myself) to bring folks down, and to put a lock on the doors of the forum forever. That would be a shame. And this is precisely why I tend to avoid the Political Forum these days. Nothing much ever gets discussed. Rather, folks on opposite sides argue and insult each other, and folks on the same side just agree and hold hands.
Am I a bully for saying what I think?
As far as additives go, snake oil or not, I have seen results with a smoother running truck, and seat of the pants increase in power. That's my experience, and my opinion, and that's all.
Have a nice day! (no sarcasm intended. )
GulDam
guldam consider this if you will was hbarlows sarcasm meant as an attack to the original poster? i think it was rather commical and implied that he did not believe in any brand of additive. that was his opinion and it was meant to help. whether or not it did is a different argument. was it rude? well one could probably argue that it was since it was not a direct and helpful answer to the question, but rather an expression of a synical view to the posters actions and question. i really dont care as i have said before everyone is entilted to his opinion, and whether hbarlow should have said anything or not and the implied tone of his response is a judgement call. i would like you to ask yourself this. was your response justified? was the comment directed at you, or were you simply trying to defend the original poster? if so was it really nessacary?
now it seems from your most recent post that you and harvey have some bad blood between you. you state he ends his posts with an attack paticuarly on someones political preference. who cares what he thinks of whatever politician is in washington. if he wants to make it known to everyone thats fine. that doesnt make him right or wrong. it maybe just makes him look like the backside of a donkey(hbarlow please do not take this as an attack, this is just an example). in the short time ive been on this earth and in the shorter time that i have had mature adult thoughts i have come across many people who at least think they are always right and never wrong. a very very small number of them its almost true and as far as i know have not been wrong very often. those people do exist. is hbarlow one of those? that i do not know. what i have learned though is that one should listen to these people for one reason only. a person may think they know everything even when they are always wrong, but even when they are always wrong often times they will have one small tid bit of info that to you is gold and can serve you well. to see it though you have to listen and look for it. it will not just drop out of the sky and fall in your lap. let those people rant on and one of two things will happen either they will prove they are correct and then you have learned something or they will prove themselves wrong and make a fool of themselves. ethier way does it really affect you personaly if they say a lot about nothing? will it affect your daily life or how you sleep at night?
guldam i will call you childish for what you started in the thread is childish in nature. maybe you are right and hbarlow needs to be called out on his childishness and asked to prove what he is saying with factual evidence. however trying to undercut and discredit someone with insults is not the way to do it. that starts what is often refered to as a _______ match. my ____ is bigger then your ____(ill let you fill in your own words). if you really want to call someone out and prove to everyone that they do not know what they are talking about then provide hard evidence contrary to their claims. show that you have proof and reason to your side of the argument. as for the political forum first, i do not go there cause i come to this site to read about cummins and dodge not who thinks who should be president. second, its a political forum something that is always a hot button issue, and something people feel very strongly about in their opinions. if your attacked in there that is par for the course. leave your problems with people in that forum, in that forum.
you stated very well i think, the purpose of this forum. its to share and learn information for the benifit of all. bickering should be avoided. say what you think back it up with the information that you may have and let others form their opinion.
as for the bully comment. im not calling you a bully for saying what you think. im calling you a bully for the way you approached this. you came into this thread and started throwing insults exactly the same way you say hbarlow throws insults. that makes you equally as bad as he. maybe hbarlow is a bully i dont know i do not have enough insight to comment on that, and based stricly on the comments made here in this thread, hbarlow has not been bullish, he has; in my opinion, been childish the same as you have but that is not what im addressing right now. the first part of your of first post and the last part of this last post are the things that should be posted. as for the rest, leave it at the door.
