2nd Gen Non-Engine/Transmission Steering Box/Sector Replacement - tired of road wander

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Engine/Transmission (1994 - 1998) What to do with PTO??

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Anyone got any suggestions on a good steering box that won't wear out in less than a year. Excluding PSC, I am already on my 2cd one and it has wore out too. Swapping steering boxes is getting very very old. I even have the steering stabilizer flange bearing support thingy on the truck and the current box (PSC) has got so much play in the gears it's a huge PITA on the intestate.



I just got off an 90 mile drive with my trailer and I'm about to go nuts fighting the truck to keep it on the road. #@$%!
 
I guess the next brand to try is the AGR. I'm going to call PSC Monday and see what they can do for me on the one I currently have. I like the valving on the one from PSC, I must say. Light valving and variable ratio
 
Taz,



I have the same truck you have with 286K miles and I'm still on the original SB. Some things just don't make since, do they?:confused:



What kind of trailer are you pulling? How much tongue weight? What kind of tires and wheels on the truck?



Scott
 
Is the reason you're changing boxes due to wander etc. related to the sector shaft bearing wearing out? If so I installed the Solid Steel Steering Stabilizer with great results. Solid Steel. biz



You're probably familiar with this product just from being a TDR member and all the references that've been posted about it. I can tell you first hand that I saw my sector shaft moving in a side to side fashion as I had someone turning the wheels while I layed on the ground looking at it - After the install there's no more movement and the steering is tight as never before. No BS this is probably one of the best "Bang for the Buck" things I've done driveability wise for my 2nd gen.
 
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sure its the box and not your steering shaft, ball joints, hubs, idler arm, tie rod ends, a-arm bushings, alignment, tire or wheel run out, out of balance tires, or something as simple as a poorly loaded trail/truck causing the light front end?
 
I'd guess that's what he's talking about Joe Mc.



Scott



Yup. I have the stabalizer that has the flange bearing mounted on the end of the pitman arm shaft.



The play is in the steering box. There is now over 10 degrees of rotational play in the steering wheel - it sucks majorly. Every other component is in perfect shape and well balanced brand new Michelin tires.



I'm calling PSC first thing tomorrow to see what they say. I see the price of PSC steering boxes has risen almost $200 since I bought mine!!!! wow talk about a huge price hike!
 
What kind of trailer are you pulling? How much tongue weight? What kind of tires and wheels on the truck?



Any answers to these questions? I noticed you said "brand new Michelin tires". Are you felling a little of the "new tire squirm"?



Scott
 
so you have verified that the play is in the steering ox input shaft and not the steering shaft joints or slip joint?

if its in the input shaft then have you tried adjusting the box at all?
 
I'd guess that's what he's talking about Joe Mc.



Scott



Duh! Silly me I missed that (steering thingy part). I have to go with Paveman's comment then. A suggestion would be to do as I did, have someone you "can trust":-laf with engine running get behind the wheel and turn wheel from stop to stop while you look at it and put your hands on everything feeling for a slight "pop" of sorts. That was how I found the sector shaft movement. I wouldn't have even thought of looking at it until I was laying underneath as someone cycled the steering from stop to stop and heard a slight pop, placed hand on link and followed to the most noticable area (sector shaft) then I watched the shaft go from side to side as the wheel was turned from one direction to the other. If the person behind the wheel just wiggles it you can notice - seems like as the tension is going one way and stops then starts returning the other way is when the most noticable movement (and pop) is noticable. It may be a rod end or ???? other than another steering box . . .



Keep us posted. I can't imagine (porobable though I guess) that you've been through so many steering boxes . . . are you running like 50" tires or something?
 
TAZ The most important thing is to understand ratios. Our Rams have steering boxes made by GM at their Saginaw plant. Many mechanics refer to them as the old Saginaw box. GM made them in different ratios and there are no marks on the outside of the box indicating which ratio it is. That may be why so many of our Rams have had the wrong ratio box installed on the assembly line. At idle (you might want to take some of the weight off with a floor jack) turn your steering wheel from lock to lock and count the turns. Since yours is wandering I would bet you get 4&1/4 turns stop to stop. The input shaft should have been turned by the assembly line worker from stop to stop and rejected it if it was not 3 turns. 3 turns and about 10 degrees to be exact. I have a 98 12v that I bought new and it drove me not drive me nuts for 7 years. I was about to get rid of it when a Man named Quigley wrote in to TDR and told of the different ratios. Mine was a 4&1/4 turn and I replaced it with a 3 turn rebuilt from Power Steering Services in Springfield MO. NO MORE WANDERING. It is true other things can affect the steering but I had checked everything and it still wandered until I changed the box to a 3 turn. I would guess the 4&1/4 turns are for high profile vehicles to prevent roll over in an extreme avoidance maneuver. Changing a box is no fun. Two years ago when I was 77 I changed mine myself. By planning ahead and taking measurements before and winding up with the same measurements afterwards I did not change the alignment. What I am telling you is not known by the dealers or by the alignment shops or even by Master Mechanics. Feel free to E-Mail me with any questions and if I know the answer I will tell you but I don't know everything so you might get an "I don't know" Having the wrong box has been a common problem or so it seems from reading all the posts for 9 years. -- email address removed --
 
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so you have verified that the play is in the steering ox input shaft and not the steering shaft joints or slip joint?



if its in the input shaft then have you tried adjusting the box at all?



The play IS in the box. Without the truck running you can turn the input shaft over 10 degrees without any rotation from the output shaft. The adjustment on the top, according to PSC is for their valving - not gear play. And I have followed their directions on adjusting it.



And just FYI, All the tie rods are tight. The ball joints were replaced within the last year with MOOG's. Control arm bushings were also tight when I replaced the ball joints. Timken bearings on the front, adjusted and packed regularly.



This is my second PSC box. The first one developed play in the pitman arm/sector shaft. So I purchased the steering stabilizer bar that has the flange bearing to support the end of the shaft. Now this box has developed play in the gearing inside.



What is it with aftermarket parts not being as good as the OEM. My original box had 220k miles on it and while it did have play in the pitman arm shaft it had zero play in the gears and still doesn't (I keep it as a backup).



It has got so bad that I almost get blown off the road if a truck comes flying past me on the interstate.



Any answers to these questions? I noticed you said "brand new Michelin tires". Are you felling a little of the "new tire squirm"?



6x6. 5x12 enclosed trailer. Tires now have almost 7000 miles on them and have already been rotated once (at 6000 miles). But refer to answer above concerning the box.



TAZ The most important thing is to understand ratios. Our Rams have steering boxes made by GM at their Saginaw plant. Many mechanics refer to them as the old Saginaw box. GM made them in different ratios and there are no marks on the outside of the box indicating which ratio it is. That may be why so many of our Rams have had the wrong ratio box installed on the assembly line. At idle (you might want to take some of the weight off with a floor jack) turn your steering wheel from lock to lock and count the turns. Since yours is wandering I would bet you get 4&1/4 turns stop to stop. The input shaft should have been turned by the assembly line worker from stop to stop and rejected it if it was not 3 turns. 3 turns and about 10 degrees to be exact. I have a 98 12v that I bought new and it drove me not drive me nuts for 7 years. I was about to get rid of it when a Man named Quigley wrote in to TDR and told of the different ratios. Mine was a 4&1/4 turn and I replaced it with a 3 turn rebuilt from Power Steering Services in Springfield MO. NO MORE WANDERING. It is true other things can affect the steering but I had checked everything and it still wandered until I changed the box to a 3 turn. I would guess the 4&1/4 turns are for high profile vehicles to prevent roll over in an extreme avoidance maneuver. Changing a box is no fun. Two years ago when I was 77 I changed mine myself. By planning ahead and taking measurements before and winding up with the same measurements afterwards I did not change the alignment. What I am telling you is not known by the dealers or by the alignment shops or even by Master Mechanics. Feel free to E-Mail me with any questions and if I know the answer I will tell you but I don't know everything so you might get an "I don't know" Having the wrong box has been a common problem or so it seems from reading all the posts for 9 years. -- email address removed --



Yup very familiar with the boxes from Saginaw. I have a '77 Corvette with the same Saginaw built box. The current box on the truck however is a PSC (PSC Motorsports). Light valving and variable ratio. When it was new it was great. I love the light valving/ease of turning for maneuvering trailers.





I'm about to start calling PSC to see what they say.
 
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Just hung up with Kelvin at PSC. They are going to send me a replacement box to swap out. According to him 50k miles is about the limit of life on these boxes before they start developing a lot of play.



Two thumbs up on the CS at PSC!
 
Holy crap! If I only get 50k miles out of my AGR that I just installed this weekend, I'm going to be upset. I had a lot of road wander as well. Just kept sawing left and right, and was damn scared in freeway traffic. I had everything checked, and recently had new DS ball joints installed. It kept getting worse. I got quite a bit of play with the truck off and just sitting there. I found a great deal on an AGR box and bought it. Put it on this weekend, retightened the Lukes Link, and the truck now drives like a car. The truck now has a weird dead spot in dead center, but I've heard that's normal. I got the SB2 13/16:1 variable ratio box and it's good!

Also, I don't see why so many of you seem to hate the swap. I got the old box off in about 30 minutes, and got the new one on in around 45 minutes. I literally had the new box up and running, fully bled, in around three hours. I'm not bragging, but is there something I'm missing? I took the factory box to a local Les Schwab and they had the pitman arm off in about 5 minutes. three or four good whacks with a 3pound hammer and some good tension with the puller and it was off.
 
50k miles is about the limit of life on these boxes before they start developing a lot of play.

Tell Kelvin you know a man with the same truck as yours with 286K miles on the stock steering box with no major issues.

50K miles... ... ... :-laf Sounds like a Monroe commercial.....

If he can't build a steering box that will last as long as a stocker, I'd quit and go home.

Scott
 
Tell Kelvin you know a man with the same truck as yours with 286K miles on the stock steering box with no major issues.



50K miles... ... ... :-laf Sounds like a Monroe commercial.....



If he can't build a steering box that will last as long as a stocker, I'd quit and go home.



Scott



Amen brother!!! For the cost of these boxes, 50k miles seems a little too short.

Hate to hijack the thread, but does anyone know the cost of a DSS?
 
Tell Kelvin you know a man with the same truck as yours with 286K miles on the stock steering box with no major issues.



50K miles... ... ... :-laf Sounds like a Monroe commercial.....



If he can't build a steering box that will last as long as a stocker, I'd quit and go home.



Scott



Yeah I made mention that my stock box lasted for 220k... . he didn't say anything. At least they are replacing it for free.
 
This goes along the same lines, but the box that I took off my truck was branded Delphi. it also had yellow writing saying REMAN. Does anyone know anything about the Delphi units?
 
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