Suncoast/ATS/DTT

[your mom]

I've owned a stock, Dunrite TC and VB, Ats stage IV, currently DTT 91R TC and VB full trans.

With ATS I experienced exactly what Fox posted on pg. 1 of this thread. Was running around 400rwhp. at the time.

I've increased the rwhp, changed to DTT and for approx. 6 months so far so good.

Even though all transmissions are better than stock they are not the same.

With my experience DTT's performance is best.

Now if I could just keep the head on this thing!!!

 

[D. Showan]

I agree also, Good post Ronsram.



It's one thing when normal consumers that are not part of or sponsored by a company give their unfavorable opinion about products. But when representatives of companies come on here and try to pick apart other companies ideas and insult individuals, that it when they have crossed the line.



No one on this forum should have to put up with a vendors insults



And using the excuse that they are only telling the truth... .

It was the truth that no triple disc TC could work with out excessive wear and early failure. That truth turned out to be only a incorrect opinion.



Moderators, Why do you allow this????

 

[Cooker]

rrausch,

Were you able to find out if your the ATS TC does in fact pulse engage?

 

[rrausch]

Still working on it cooker. I have some information, but not enough to post yet. Today is a holiday... I hope to assemble the rest of the information by tomorrow and post it.

 

[Jetpilot]

Aren't transmission threads fun



Anyway I think some misconceptions on sponsors/sponsorships need to be set straight. Most of the guys that are lucky enough to have or get a sponsor do so because they are already using their product. I am sponsored by DTT and feel VERY fortunate but let me say that prior to the sponsorship I paid full price for everything I got from DTT. In fact the transmission in my truck is the original DTT transmission, DTT did provide me with a spare (just in case) but I have yet to need it.



A lot of the sponsored guys are doing R&D for the companies they represent. How do you think vendors learn what the weak links are and the best solutions? Usually its the sponsored guys out abusing the products provided. When DTT decided to sponsor me Bill K. told me to "just let the transmission do the talking". So thats pretty much what I have done.



But I must interject that there is a lot more to a vendor than just their products, namely customer service. I am not flaming anyone here but I am not aware of another vendor that gives out their personal home and cell #'s so when guys are doing upgrades and have a question they can call him. I have personally seen Bill stop working in his shop to answer a question for someone that is not even his customer.



Most of us have our opinions on concepts like locked shifting verses unlocked shifting, that we can agree on. I guess the issue is whether the locked to locked shifts do any damage and/or how are they accomplished. I don't think that there is anything wrong with someone (be it vendor or customer) questioning anything posted on these boards. Both sides of DTT/ATS folks are very strong in what they believe is best. Now it looks like Suncoast is being thrown in the ring as well. The bottom line is do the research, call the vendors and you decide. Me, well I think I will keep trying to break this DTT transmission so everyone else can benefit from what is improved next!



Doug

 

[LSMITH]

Doug, there you go again with a level head and a sensible opinion :-laf



It really is too bad emotion takes the place of a sensible debate among the members here.

 

[83 crew cab]

Doug you must be snow bond some were thats the longest I have evrseen you post



I have to agree on the sponser stuff If somebody would leave a junk part on there truck just for a sponsership. you would see them switching every year. most people go to the venders to get sponsered not to many vinders come looking for people

 

[jimk]

transmissions

I read these as they are entertaining. You can pick some information from these post. After a while you know who is in what corner and how they are going to post .

What would impress me would be some one who hot shots for a living or uses the truck to pull loads of cattle or hay. Drag racing or racing pulling a trailer looks good in the Ford commercial but is of little value to me. I think that racing is entertaining though, and only a benefit to vendors.

I like some thing that is cost efficient and is efficient. I wont to get the system that provide the best fuel economy. I wont some to tell me that his or her transmission does this and it get just as good as mileage as a manual transmission. I wont ever once of torque in ever gear... I don't like the big gap between 3 and 4 gear. I like to pull my trailer 62 or 63 and it is to slow for overdrive or that is wrong.

Thanks for any in-site Jim

 

[Wayno]

Well ronsram 1999 , Bill K. will be getting this members money when my transmission goes out in my old raggedy First Gen . There is a reason why DTT doesn't sponsor the TDR through advertising any more and if you want to know why then you should call Stefan's Father and ask him , he told me why . Here is the number (800)922-7782 or email him at www.dieseltrans.com but then again he might not because I think he is tried of arguing about all of this or you could go to one of the transmission seminars that he puts on around the country and he will let you watch him rebuild a transmission and explain it all to you as he rebuilds it . I have been to one and I believe every thing he has told me and I SEEN no reason not too ~~~~ END OF ARGUMENT~~~~

 

[jimk]

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Originally posted by Wayno

Well ronsram 1999 , Bill K. will be getting this members money when my transmission goes out in my old raggedy First Gen . There is a reason why DTT doesn't sponsor the TDR through advertising any more and if you want to know why then you should call Stefan's Father and ask him , he told me why . Here is the number (800)922-7782 or email him at www.dieseltrans.com but then again he might not because I think he is tried of arguing about all of this or you could go to one of the transmission seminars that he puts on around the country and he will let you watch him rebuild a transmission and explain it all to you as he rebuilds it . I have been to one and I believe every thing he has told me and I SEEN no reason not too ~~~~ END OF ARGUMENT~~~~

I have been to two of the seminars. That is a good way to learn about his transmission. jim

 

[king24v]

[i give the nod to suncoast i had one in my last truck ,puts lots of miles on it and had nothing but excellent performance. i did everything from drag race to pulling over 20000 pound nurse and chem tanks on the farm. my 2 cents jess

 

[thouse]

It would appear that Stefan Kondolay has a little more than a sponsorship at stake.

Competition is a great thing, and we all get a better product because of it. I feel that it is wrong to put someones product down, and promote your own.

 

[csutton7]

why don't you guys take a break on Stefan and stick to the topic---all Stefan has done is say that you can't do the pulsey lock up thing and until proven wrong you're just flingin crap---he's not said that ATS sucks, nor has he said that DTT products are far superior---- DTT has always came out and stated things about trannies and they've been a right a whole lot more times than they've been wrong---



look at cabroker's post he's had 3 out of the 5 and look who he is with now-what's it going to prove to you guys who like your trannies from ATS, Suncoast or the others--nada--



I can't figure ATS out--not sure what they're ever up to as you get the HP thing that didn't pan out--then they show up at events and they've removed their HP stuff and don't enter the competitions--I'm lost on this one--our product can hold X amount of power, but we took it out so we can't show you.



But the bottom line is some guys want ATS and some Suncoast and some Dunrite and some Goerend and some yet DTT--you got choices---if you like them say so and end it there... ... ... ... .



RonsRam--take a break man--you did what you did and went on--I don't see where Stefan needed the type of retort you plastered on him-they called it off or you called it off is all I see where the info is mixed up and then it's the always 2 stories to each event thing---maybe I missed it---god knows you've had it out with them before and most of us have read that saga---it's getting old---



you others are just as bad---Stefan hasn't plugged their product directly-maybe a little indirectly by posting, but big deal-do you want to know from a transmission co or just from customers when it comes to technical stuff--



let's see what comes up with this pulsey thing that can take a mechanical device with no electronics and do it's super shift---christ even this isn't on the topic----hey moderaters shut this thing down after we get the answer----please... flame on if you want , but I prefer we get back to the topic... ..... chris

 

[pwr2tow]

csutton7,

If you would read all the posts you will see it was Stephan that called me out.



Wayno,

I am glad your buying the parts that you feel are right for you.

I don't care why Bill doesn't sponsor the TDR, "I have a good guess though" all I know is he doesn't and they are sure getting alot of advertising for $35. 00, from a company spokes person.



jimk,

Read my post on page two or three (don't remember which one) I gave exactly what you wanted before I was bashed by one person and called out by another.



Slybones,

I think what most of us are referring to is the vendor or company spokes person, not us run of the mill every day people.



Ron

 

[Joel Richards]

Re: transmissions

Originally posted by jimk

What would impress me would be some one who hot shots for a living...

Jim,



That's exactly what I do... every day most weeks. I tow 10-15k pounds daily, usually 800ish miles round trip - in the mountains, on the plains, plus I drag and sled pull. It's a testament to the ATS transmission/TC in my truck. Still going strong without even a hint of a problem.



-joel

 

[TDRadmin]

Edits

I've been asked to take a look at this thread. I've made a copy of it in its entirety, and now I am editing out some of the more inflamatory comments.



Keep it on topic and off any personal digs, jabs, etc.



Robin

TDR Admin

 

[Mtngoat]

Well,,uuhhhh......

I'm a REAL newby here on the TDR, and I've read these posts with a lot of interest. I really don't know how to compare one transmission company from another, I wish I had been around as long as some of you to make such a comparision. I have ordered a transmission upgrade, just the other day, but now I'm not gonna say where I got it, because I don't want to get ***** slapped by someone. It will be in my signature when its installed, but by then this may be over with.

Seems to me, that the purpose of these forums is to learn, to be better than you were before. And the only way to do that is to hear positives AND negatives as well. Seems to me that if someone has a serious question, and if someone else knows the answer, its ok to give it. But you may be called upon to explain why you like what you like, which also may include technical questions. If someone asks me a technical question about these machines (which would be a mistake), it would behoove me to give the most accurate answer I can, BUT be ready to back it up. . Thats the purpose of a forum. If you are gonna get mad and point fingers and raise the ire of others, you are defeating the purpose of these forums.

Again, as a newby, I really don't know, but I would guess that ALL the before mentioned transmission companies put out a fine product, or else they wouldn't be in business. Not for long with an educated bunch of guys like you are, putting them to real tests each and every day. I am awed at the things you do with your trucks!

I really forgot where I was going with this, but, I think it really boils down to what your needs are and which company makes the product that fits your needs. Procedures of how companies do things with installers aren't important as long as it was done right and you get what you needed in the long run. I am driving 600 miles to get my transmission done, because it suits my needs. Pick what you want , report how it works, and let it go at that. . If you want a technical question answered, be prepared, you may not get the answer you wanted, but, hey, thats life. See ya on the road!

Robin

 

[cmonroe]

Originally posted by csutton7

why don't you guys take a break on Stefan and stick to the topic---all Stefan has done is say that you can't do the pulsey lock up thing and until proven wrong you're just flingin crap---he's not said that ATS sucks, nor has he said that DTT products are far superior---- DTT has always came out and stated things about trannies and they've been a right a whole lot more times than they've been wrong---



I can't figure ATS out--not sure what they're ever up to as you get the HP thing that didn't pan out--then they show up at events and they've removed their HP stuff and don't enter the competitions--I'm lost on this one--our product can hold X amount of power, but we took it out so we can't show you.



chris

Chris, as far as the horsepower things you were mentioning, I'm confused we won several events last year so I'm not sure how in your estimation it did not work out.

 

[illflem]

Mtngoat, as has been said several times in this thread - they're all good, biggest factor is having a qualified installer of whichever brand you choose within a reasonable distance from home.



Personally I prefer to buy American when the choice of quality is equal even if it costs a little more no matter what the product.

 

[Sled Puller]

I wish you auto guys would get it straight who is best once and for all.

I'm looking at a tow rig this year, and I'm tired of shifting gears.



Will it take me trying everybodys transmission to settle this?



I'm about ready to flip a coin, and watch the sparks fly whoever wins the toss---or is that lose the toss?