Suncoast/ATS/DTT

[rrausch]

You're right Kat. Don had some Dyno-problems somewhere around that time, it may have been may Madness, anyway he did test low as I recall.



However... on the wall there at ATS are a couple of Mustang Dyno reports from March Dyno Days of 2002. I saw them with my own eyes. At that time Don was putting out 597. 2 H. P. with 1355 Ft. Lbs. of torque. In Lockup. This was BEFORE he installed Compound Turbos!

 

[KatDiesel]

Originally posted by rrausch

You're right Kat. Don had some Dyno-problems somewhere around that time, it may have been may Madness, anyway he did test low as I recall.



However... on the wall there at ATS are a couple of Mustang Dyno reports from March Dyno Days of 2002. I saw them with my own eyes.

Yep I saw that too hanging on the wall in their shop, stopped their on the way back from May Madness enroute to Nebraska. And no it wasn't at any Dyno Day. I believe it was their own time on the dyno. If I am wrong someone please correct me.

 

[K_Arts]

I am not getting involved in this to start a war, nor am I trying to add fuel to the fire, I just have a simple question. Robert, them numbers you posted above the 597. 2 H. P. with 1355 Ft. Lbs. of torque.



Are those the same numbers that were up for argument a while ago, that KGoode posted? The thread titled Triple LOK holds 1355 lb of torque ?



On page 2 there is a post by CUMINNTSTRKN that says "well guys i talked with don, and he said they backed up the #'s several times on the dyno. he is going to re dyno it to make sure. he might even try to get over to a dyno-jet to see how they compare. he said these were corrected #'s but never the less those are damn good #'s. "



I'm just trying to understand if were are all taking about the same numbers? Again. . no flame meant by this.



Kev

 

[rrausch]

K_Arts I have no idea. Thanks for your honest question.

When I was at Wheat Ridge last April getting my Trans done, I took notes because I wanted to post my experiences while there. And those numbers are what my notes said, I also wrote, "March Dyno Days, 2002" right along with the numbers. I assume that info was also on the Dyno Report. I was WAY impressed by the dyno report, and I remembered it was there.

 

[Cooker]

This thread was talking about pulse engagement and how it is completed by the ATS controller.



This quote was taken from a post by CCannon of ATS:



"The lock-up timing is controled by grounding the lock-up solenoid. This is true with all lock-up converters. Our converter is just like any other as far as to when it locks or unlocks. Hope this helps clear up the confusion.

Clint Cannon"





rrausch,

I guess I can see how you may understand this "grounding" of the lockup circuit to be pulse engagement, but it is definitely not what Stefan is talking about.

 

[K_Arts]

Originally posted by rrausch

K_Arts I have no idea. Thanks for your honest question.

No problem... Thanks for your honestly in return.



Kev

 

[rrausch]

Cooker, I don't know but I will find out.

 

[LSMITH]

Personally I would want a guy that has been trained by the maker or the maker themselves to upgrade my transmission, this goes for any company. The guys that developed the products know more about it than a simple rebuilder could, it is my belief that they developed the solutions to problems they saw that the everyday shops simply ignored or could not address. Installing parts is something any halfway decent shadetree can do, my $4K would need to buy a LOT more than that.



Tolerance stacking is a big issue, and if the installer was not trained by the maker I would want to see VERY detailed instructions and checklists at the very least.



Not a flame, just my honest opinion.

 

[JConley]

LSmith The reason any shop can install an ATS transmission is because the transmission ships assembled by ATS ready to install. There is no magic setup or tweaking that needs done once the transmission is installed. If minor adjustments need done, any competent mechanic can do the work.

 

[Cooker]

DTT sells complete, rebuilt, assembled, ready to install trannies as well. Just getting the facts out there.

 

[illflem]

Never see anyone here mention Dunrite autos. Are they wasting their money advertising in the tdr mag? Pg 109 of the current issue.

 

[HVAC]

Dunrite

Tony builds some cool valve bodys. He was getting lock in first and second before most of the others. Not as thrilled with his TC's.

 

[LSMITH]

JConley, the subject was upgrades to an existing transmission, TC VB and associated parts. Thanks for the heads up though.

 

[JConley]

If we are talking upgrades to an existing transmission, I feel the same way.

 

[Stefan Kondolay]

I guess for those of you that are comtemplating having work done it comes down to establishing a trusting relationship with your vendor. Obviously different companies have different proceedures and really no matter who you choose you have to be confident they will act in your best interest.



For our customers while it would definately be easier to have installers that needed only the tools and training for re & re of trannys we shipped them we chose not to do it soely that way for several reasons.



A guy with a newer truck may not want to do a full transmission but may still want the beefier 5 clutch pack set up and billet piston instead of just a tc and vb. Our proceedures allows him to have that option,also we feel that as our trained installers can re-build on their premises our customers have more options available to them .



Its all in how you look at it, Its not that we dont ship out full units because we do, but in all fairness our installers/builders they do excellent work and have the tools & ability to diagnose and adjust. Again i think is a personal choice based on what is important to you.

 

[pwr2tow]

Originally posted by Stefan Kondolay

Ronsram,



Sometimes you have a lose , lose situation no matter what you do. Had your installer told Bill he felt ok doing the work we may have had a different outcome,had we not respected your installers words and we sold you the parts anyway and he screwed up the job you would have hated us for that too. Either way we would lose, very evident still by your posts.



I dont want to get into an arguement i am just saying proceedures and policies vary from company to company and you cant please everyone.

Stephan,

To refresh your memory it was me that called off the transmission upgrade not you, not your dad, not my intended installer, just me. My intended installer was a little hesitant in the installation because your company was new at the time and if your transmission parts would have failed he felt it would make his company look bad. My intended installer had been rebuilding transmission for many years. Your dad and your company would have sold me your companies parts to have installed if I would have wanted them.



Stephan, I take great offense to you trying to make me look bad and that is the reason I still speak out against your company. It is the politics you guys play that really turns me off, just reread the last three pages and people will see what I'am talking about. You and your dad and your companies ramblings that this and that can not work because you have tried them, bull to you. Look at the triple loc TC, you guys said it could not be done without causing great damage to the transmission. Well, there are guys out there running these TC setups in all kinds of condition, setups, mileage and they are still going strong. Why do you DTT guys and especially you Stephan have to come on the TDR and tell everyone that the other guys parts and companies are no good, they will not work and things are not as they should be. Every time you come on here and do that it sure makes you guys look bad, especially when your proved wrong, and even when your not proved wrong. How do you expect to build a company when all you do is banter everyone, except for the people you already have sold parts to.



The way I see it, it is all advertising politics bull malarkey and I might add your sure getting alot for your $35. 00, Your company doesn't even sponsor the TDR through advertising in the TDR magazine any more, but you sure want the members money. This may sound harse and crud to you but that is the way I see it.



Ron

 

[thouse]

Ronsram,

I agree with you. No one pays for anything on my truck.

 

[Stefan Kondolay]

ronsram,



I am not going to argue with you as you have made it clear your position about DTT.



thouse,

We are a technical based company so we do point out things that do not make sense when we see it. We know that by doing so we do run the risk of taking flack and we do the best we can to handle it.



It is because most guys have to pay out of their own pockets and dont have the luxury of getting their products for free why some value opinions when something doesnt make sense or is technically flawed.

 

[rrausch]

Ronsram, I have noticed the same thing. The Kondolay's give excellent advice when talking about their own transmissions or about stock operation, but, in my experience, when they have talked about ATS they have been wrong, mean-spirited, and hostile. Just my opinion!

 

[jwilliams3]

Good Post Ronsram, and well said.



--Justin