Surprising result worth noting (Turbo Air Guide)

[wild4stangs]

Ordered mine today, sorry guys, I got the last one... Next run is due in a couple of weeks... Can't wait to try it out.

 

[bighammer]

I haven't had it in long, but I like it. The truck also had bumpers and bigger tires added at the same time, so it's hard to tell. I didn't get the drop in performance I thought I would have with the 315s so it may be because of the TAG.

 

[radar doctor]

What can I expect ?????

Mr Car Nut..... I have a 03 HO Automatic 4X2... 90 Percent of the time it's Interstate driving with out any Load... If i Purchase it What will My Benefit's be??? Thank You Bill.

 

[Car_nut57]

Re: What can I expect ?????

Originally posted by radar doctor

Mr Car Nut..... I have a 03 HO Automatic 4X2... 90 Percent of the time it's Interstate driving with out any Load... If i Purchase it What will My Benefit's be??? Thank You Bill.

You should expect quicker turbo spool up and many say the engine runs smoother. I won't say anything about mileage, but you may get some and EGTs may drop. The best way to find out what the TAG will do for you is simply try it. If you don't like the results, return it for a refund.

 

[bighammer]

I'm tempted to pull mine out (just for a comparison) so I can get a better feel of how much it does. From what I've read, the install is not as noticeable as the removal after having it a while. It will have to wait for warmer weather though.

 

[bighammer]

Changed Title of Thread

I changed the title to be a little more descriptive of its content. (hope nobody minds)

 

[Fireman]

Dave,



That's what I call a guarantee.



Fireman

 

[Car_nut57]

FIREMAN,



Well its like this the TAG is a very different idea and we cannot tell exactly what benefits each truck may have using it because of the variety of configurations, mods and driving styles. So we don't make any claims or promises about what effect the TAG will have regarding mileage, performance, EGTs, spool up, boost pressures, reduced emissions etc. We let the users of the TAG tell us their results and if those results are not worth the cost them, then we are more than happy to refund the full cost of the TAG. Satisfaction and support of our customers is most important to us.

 

[DPKetchum]

placebo. from what I've read sounds like sugar pills.

 

[rbattelle]

Originally posted by DPKetchum

placebo. from what I've read sounds like sugar pills.

Gotta disagree with you there. I believe it has real advantages, and I'm buying into it as soon as some cash comes my way. I doubt it has any real "seat of the pants" improvement, but I believe it will improve compressor performance (efficiency).

 

[EMD-Run8]

When I mentioned the idea to a friend of mine and told him I had one on the way, he said "oh yeah, they use a setup like that on some jets". He knew exactly what it was and what it did. The idea makes sense to me. When I get it installed I'm pretty sure what to expect (I think). Lookin' forward to it!

 

[DPKetchum]

So did atomimizers sold to increase fuel mpg. Show me some real life dyno and fuel mpg increases.

 

[draymorris]

Originally posted by DPKetchum

placebo. from what I've read sounds like sugar pills.

With a guarantee like that! Talk to Dave (Car Nut) and you will find that he is not trying to market a snake oil - in fact, he tries very hard to make sure that he is not. For example, he has used me once as a "guinea pig" with one of the early prototypes, and is about to use me again with another ptototype. The first one- I saw no results that could be easily noticed and told him so. He never let that one out on the market - most people did not even know anyone was working on such a project - Unlike some other mod mfg who dangle carrots for months - Dave keeps it quite until the mfg process is correct and the tests show results. Sure he may not have a huge number of test, but he doesn't make claims that can't be backed up - he makes it very clear that you can be the judge and if you don't like it, he will give your money back.

BTW, I also know a man that has been in the compressor industry for over 20 years. He told me that there are many things done to improve air flow effeciency. And, why did DC or Cummins put those fins in the plastic tube on our intakes?



Not trying to offend anyone!



I will get off my soap box now.

 

[Dean Upson]

I would not offend anyone either . I talked at length with Dave and he is no snake oil salesman. I have talked with a few of them and they have seldom got through my Connecticut Yankee alarms. He sounded to me like a man that had a product that he put a heck of a lot into and believes in. With assurance that it can be sent back, I don't see where you could go wrong. Besides if it is a bum product, it would be the death of it to put it on this forum.



Dean

 

[DPKetchum]

Facts! Wheres the dyno figures and the mpg figures. those TUBEs are far as I know are noise reducers or so I've been told. Not anything to do with performance. show me proof and maybe I think its more responsive. I happen TO LIKE Dave. talked to him in the past but dosen't mean I don't have doubts about TAGS or whatever they are.

 

[draymorris]

DP Ketchum



I agree 100 % with your need for facts - I am the same. The problem with many items concerning our trucks is that it is very difficult to compare apples to apples. Altitude, ambient air temps, fuel mixtures, air flow mods, etc, etc... and above all driving habits - all have so much to do with MPG increases. Seat of the pants test are nice to talk about, but are very prone to mental tricks - especially when one spends money on a mod - you want to FEEL a difference. I have not heard much SOP discussions on the TAG. From my conversations with Dave over the past year, he is looking more at the improvements that may be seen pulling moderate load to heavy loads - which are very hard to duplicate on a Dyno.



I will do my best to test under the same conditions over the next few weeks by pulling the TAG out on exact same trips. The main problem I have duplicating runs is mother nature - mainly wind. but maybe she will cooperate.



I agree, dyno results would be nice, but I will be more satisfied with real world results. But, I still beleive that if it does not work for me - it may work for someone else in a different area driving in different terrain with different loads, etc.



I will try to post results as soon as I have some.

 

[DPKetchum]

If the results are that naive and certainly a dyno has load factors then its sounding more placebo then I expected. Come now. Its not always SOP and I realize that but if a GAIN cannot be measured then its not much of one. At least not worth spending money on. I'm sure some people swear by I think the TORNADO the whirly gig looking thing that goes in the breather or tube going to the intake on gas burners. But I've been connected to the auto repair industry for 25 plus years and seen to many gadgets come and go.

 

[RustyJC]

Honeycomb flow straighteners have been used in process piping, wind tunnels, etc. for years. Here's one example from the description of a transonic wind tunnel:

The gas in the circuit then enters the wide angle diffuser where it passes through two filling screens into the stilling chamber and on through a honeycomb flow straightener and two anti-turbulence screens prior to entering the 12 to 1 contraction and the adjustable supersonic nozzle.

The full description may be found HERE.



Rusty

 

[Kerm]

I ordered my TAG last week and I am nothing short of impressed! I installed 4" down pipe and 5" straight pipe to the rear. Along with gutting that black tube(that thing seemed really restrictive). I added a drop-in AFE also. I did the install in steps running through the gears after installing each product. I extremely happy with the results of the TAG. It has really increased performance on the top end (between about 2200 and 2900). It pulls significantly harder all the way up to red line. I drove right at 1500 miles right after all gettin the truck back together. I have seen about . 5 to 1. 5 mpg increase in fuel millage.

 

[DPKetchum]

I also noticed the same increase with the exhaust mods.