Gotta go with deezul on this. Just the help i've gotten from other members has saved me enough money for a couple more years of subscriptions. Hmmmm, Cummins Ram and a Caddy..... ?
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The problem that you guys are not seeing is that when the old timers leave we loose the knowledge base we have. Many of the guys who post at the two or three other diesel websites used to post on here all the time. Many of them are the hard-core bombers and long time diesel guys. These guys invented the BOMB’s we all use now and they are the ones that push the limits and tell us what is possible. Many of the trusted vendors we all use were at one time just normal TDR members who started businesses with what they learned. We could have 50,000 members here and all we would be talking about is removing the silencer ring and what oil we use.
With all that said, I have one major complaint and since this seems to be the post we have started complaining in I am going to let it rip.
I am sick and tired of new members who post the same freaking question in a post that was asked on a post the day before and is still on the first page of posts. Take for instance the recent rash of question about lift pumps and injection pumps. There must be 3 or 4 different post asking the same question. Do you guys not read the posts on a page before you post a question??? I know you are new but come on do a little reading and use the search function before posting. 99. 9% of all your questions have been asked before and debated at length. It would be real beneficial if the TDR staff did a little better job on the FAQ section and made it required reading for new guys. When I was new I read for months before I posted my first question.
As for me I will be a member for a long time, I may stop posting so much and I may stop answering so many questions, but I will be here, but I will also be on several other boards where the old time hard core hang out.
With all that said, I have one major complaint and since this seems to be the post we have started complaining in I am going to let it rip.
I am sick and tired of new members who post the same freaking question in a post that was asked on a post the day before and is still on the first page of posts. Take for instance the recent rash of question about lift pumps and injection pumps. There must be 3 or 4 different post asking the same question. Do you guys not read the posts on a page before you post a question??? I know you are new but come on do a little reading and use the search function before posting. 99. 9% of all your questions have been asked before and debated at length. It would be real beneficial if the TDR staff did a little better job on the FAQ section and made it required reading for new guys. When I was new I read for months before I posted my first question.
As for me I will be a member for a long time, I may stop posting so much and I may stop answering so many questions, but I will be here, but I will also be on several other boards where the old time hard core hang out.
Ditto is pretty lame, but JR2 pretty much hit the nail on the head. I echo his sentiments exactly.
I would like to add that the archives NEED to come back. Those archives provided guys like JR2 and myself with months of reading giving us the base of knowledge to contribute, and yet ask our own questions without rehashing the same questions 100 times. WE NEED THE ARCHIVES, help the new guys learn quickly and effectively and get the forums on topic.
I am not getting down on the new guys, please don't take me wrong. I would like to ask the new guys to search a topic and dig a bit before posting. Chances are you will learn about what you want and probably stumble over something else of interest to you in the process.
The sticker? I could really care less. I think it would be beneficial to the TDR as a whole to send them out free of charge.
JR2, I hope you don't mind me jumping on your post, and referencing you in mine. If you do I apologize.
I would like to add that the archives NEED to come back. Those archives provided guys like JR2 and myself with months of reading giving us the base of knowledge to contribute, and yet ask our own questions without rehashing the same questions 100 times. WE NEED THE ARCHIVES, help the new guys learn quickly and effectively and get the forums on topic.
I am not getting down on the new guys, please don't take me wrong. I would like to ask the new guys to search a topic and dig a bit before posting. Chances are you will learn about what you want and probably stumble over something else of interest to you in the process.
The sticker? I could really care less. I think it would be beneficial to the TDR as a whole to send them out free of charge.
JR2, I hope you don't mind me jumping on your post, and referencing you in mine. If you do I apologize.
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John, you are right, the board and it's member's suffer in a way when someone who is knowledgeable about these trucks quits posting. But geez, they are the one's throwing a temper tantrum over a sticker. They are the one's threatening to take their toys and go home, all because they can't have a free sticker. I see the problem and it isn't us or the way TDR chooses to run the website. It is quite funny to me that a few malcontents who are so unhappy with the TDR would even want to put a TDR sticker on their truck, since it is, in their opinion, such a terrible place.
What's worse, reading the redundant posts from the newbie's or reading a post from someone having a tantrum because they are asked to pay fifty cents for an envelope and postage.
With that all said, if you don't like the redundant posts from the newbies, why do you open them up? In reading many of the posts from the "old timers" who just finished answering a question for a newbie, the old timer usually says something like"if you have any more questions, please ask. " Well, that's what they do and you and others get upset. The old timers obviously enjoy answering questions and sharing the things they have learned with others, that's why they spend so much time here. So what if the question has been asked and answered before, if you have so much impatience with those who know less than you, don't read the post. Simple as that. I, as I'm sure you have, have encouraged new owners and those who are bombing challenged, to join the TDR, ask questions, and learn things that will save you time, money and aggravation. Why would you want to create an atmosphere on this board where a newbie is afraid to ask any quesion because it has been asked before or it is a silly question.
If someone is so selfish and full of themselves that they take the knowlwedge they have to offer away from here over fifty cents postage, that tells me everything I need know about them. Hope the door doesn't hit them on their backside on their way out.
Sam
What's worse, reading the redundant posts from the newbie's or reading a post from someone having a tantrum because they are asked to pay fifty cents for an envelope and postage.
With that all said, if you don't like the redundant posts from the newbies, why do you open them up? In reading many of the posts from the "old timers" who just finished answering a question for a newbie, the old timer usually says something like"if you have any more questions, please ask. " Well, that's what they do and you and others get upset. The old timers obviously enjoy answering questions and sharing the things they have learned with others, that's why they spend so much time here. So what if the question has been asked and answered before, if you have so much impatience with those who know less than you, don't read the post. Simple as that. I, as I'm sure you have, have encouraged new owners and those who are bombing challenged, to join the TDR, ask questions, and learn things that will save you time, money and aggravation. Why would you want to create an atmosphere on this board where a newbie is afraid to ask any quesion because it has been asked before or it is a silly question.
If someone is so selfish and full of themselves that they take the knowlwedge they have to offer away from here over fifty cents postage, that tells me everything I need know about them. Hope the door doesn't hit them on their backside on their way out.
Sam
Oilbrnr is not ****** about the sticker costing $$, that is just what pushed him over the edge. Some of you that have not been around for a long time or don't read the TDR every day like some of us have no clue about what used to go on here. This site used to be much much better in my opinion. I can live with the changes because there is still much to learn and there are still guys on here doing serious R and D to these trucks. Unfortunately many of the guys that are still doing what I find interesting are not posting here much because they have been booted off or been in trouble so many times its just not worth the trouble to them. I find that to be a shame.
As for me not having to read posts, that is true and I find myself not reading posts more and more. My complaint was that newer folks are not even looking at the boards before they post a question that was answered yesterday. If they had bothered to read the old post and still had questions I have no problem answering them and would be happy to do so.
As for the sticker issue, I agree with the old timers, they ought to send them to us. Heck once a month I solicitations in the mail to become a member of a club that have stickers in them. How hard would it be to have a sticker inserted into an issue of the magazine? If only half the guys on the forums put them on there trucks that would be 5000 free ads for TDR. It would result in many new members and pay for itself over and over.
Sorry for the long post.
As for me not having to read posts, that is true and I find myself not reading posts more and more. My complaint was that newer folks are not even looking at the boards before they post a question that was answered yesterday. If they had bothered to read the old post and still had questions I have no problem answering them and would be happy to do so.
As for the sticker issue, I agree with the old timers, they ought to send them to us. Heck once a month I solicitations in the mail to become a member of a club that have stickers in them. How hard would it be to have a sticker inserted into an issue of the magazine? If only half the guys on the forums put them on there trucks that would be 5000 free ads for TDR. It would result in many new members and pay for itself over and over.
Sorry for the long post.
Sure! I think mine is about 99% efficient
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Just jokingWell, lets see if I can still post...
JR2 excellent points!
CrewCab, I don't have any idea what this site is about? I was on it before it was TDR you twit! And way before you were! I know exactly what this site was about, became, and now is. I also now know its' future. Dim...
JR2 excellent points!
CrewCab, I don't have any idea what this site is about? I was on it before it was TDR you twit! And way before you were! I know exactly what this site was about, became, and now is. I also now know its' future. Dim...
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OILBRNR
This is getting old real fast, what do you expect TDR to do when you spend all your time ******* & moaning about a 50 cent sticker and at the same time do advertizing for another web site. All you do is complain and threaten to leave TDR. If things are so bad here why not try to fix it, after you seemed to know everything anyway. IF you are SO knowledgeable why not do something constructive with it instead of shooting off your keyboard. I agree that it would be nice if TDR sent out a sticker now and again, but I am not going to throw a temper tantrum over it. As for new TDR members posting, what are they supposed to do, be afraid to post in fear of offending someone because that subject was covered two days ago ? Again that not what it is all about, it is about passing on information in hopes that it will save the next guy (or gal) some time and money. Its about people with like interests getting together and having some good clean American fun(with some diesel smoke mixed in for flavoring), not to mention a few other things like people who will go out of their way to help others, like those volunteers in the travel companion. Not some vengeful ego threatened person trying to destroy the place others enjoy.
This is getting old real fast, what do you expect TDR to do when you spend all your time ******* & moaning about a 50 cent sticker and at the same time do advertizing for another web site. All you do is complain and threaten to leave TDR. If things are so bad here why not try to fix it, after you seemed to know everything anyway. IF you are SO knowledgeable why not do something constructive with it instead of shooting off your keyboard. I agree that it would be nice if TDR sent out a sticker now and again, but I am not going to throw a temper tantrum over it. As for new TDR members posting, what are they supposed to do, be afraid to post in fear of offending someone because that subject was covered two days ago ? Again that not what it is all about, it is about passing on information in hopes that it will save the next guy (or gal) some time and money. Its about people with like interests getting together and having some good clean American fun(with some diesel smoke mixed in for flavoring), not to mention a few other things like people who will go out of their way to help others, like those volunteers in the travel companion. Not some vengeful ego threatened person trying to destroy the place others enjoy.
On a serious note........
Well, I have reread this whole thread and I guess I can see the issue from all sides. I just ask that everyone calm down and realize, we shouldn't get po'd because someone is making money, even if it seems like something sacred is being sold out. So please, don't be so po'd at Rob Spading for selling his site to TDR, he has to make money too.
dan
voice of reason
Well, I have reread this whole thread and I guess I can see the issue from all sides. I just ask that everyone calm down and realize, we shouldn't get po'd because someone is making money, even if it seems like something sacred is being sold out. So please, don't be so po'd at Rob Spading for selling his site to TDR, he has to make money too.
dan
voice of reason
I paid $35 forthe Mag. . I'm glad the money keeps the riftraf out.
I'd pay it again. I've met some great folks and leaned more than I can tell.
I'd like a sticker too... But if you dislike the TDR and its site so much why would YOU want to advertise for them.
I have no gripes about the site. I was one of those new guys posting about old questions once. I've have time to read some of the old threads, and consider myself knowledgable about a lot more things.
So, if you have nothing to contribute, SHUT UP!!!
Let thosenewbies ask their questions. . they could be the next Bill.
I'd pay it again. I've met some great folks and leaned more than I can tell.
I'd like a sticker too... But if you dislike the TDR and its site so much why would YOU want to advertise for them.
I have no gripes about the site. I was one of those new guys posting about old questions once. I've have time to read some of the old threads, and consider myself knowledgable about a lot more things.
So, if you have nothing to contribute, SHUT UP!!!
Let thosenewbies ask their questions. . they could be the next Bill.
It's amazing what comes out of the wood works on such a little and simple question. I know one thing,no one here will be happy with everything, its human nature- hell I rant and rave how the new 24v engine sucks compared to the 12v but yet I dam well wouldnt give it up. We all have to learn to live with things we dont like and if we cant live with it dont threaten to do something and expect someone to beg you to stay-JUST LEAVE!
I see my opinion falling on both sides of this argument...
On one hand, yeah, they oughta pony up for a freakin' sticker. If they can't, then I suggest they go public with the exact details of the "company" finances to prove to the membership that they aren't jerking us around.
I have no problem with somebody making money... no problem at all. The sticker would provide a lot of free advertising, which would help to increase membership, and thus bring more revenue. In that case, I see it as being a worthy investment.
Me, I'm not too cheap to spend the money to buy one. I won't, however, because of other reasons. I've stopped advertising for TDR. I find the forums to be very helpful, however, I find the TDR forum staff to be anything BUT helpful. You guys may recall the problem I had with a certain vendor's product a number of months ago. I got flamed through and through by many members (heck some of them may have been you guys) for denouncing this product, yet not one TDR forum staff member lifted a finger to even so much as REPLY to my private emails to them about the violations of the forum guidelines taking place. It wasn't until I finally emailed yet another administrator at a later date about it that I got a reply telling me to take my argument elsewhere because it wasn't welcome here. In other words, they didn't want me bad-mouthing one of their advertisers.
THAT is my beef with TDR. Now, the beef with the vendor has since been solved and I'm a happy camper again in that regard, but it still doesn't change the fact that I was totally IGNORED by the TDR forum staff. That is something I find absolutely wrong.
I am not unfamiliar with the whole forum-running thing, btw. I've been the administrator of the F-Body Mailing Lists since 1996, so I've had plenty of member issues to deal with. I have NEVER ignored somebody's complaint. Even if I felt it unfounded, I would at least reply to them and discuss it. So maybe we didn't have 10,000 members... we did have over 2000, and that's no small number.
Now, about this DieselRAM thing. Hey, if they think they can do it better than TDR, all power to 'em. My first suggestion is to create an FAQ page. Archives alone won't solve the problem of newbie posts about the same old thing. A GOOD, well organized FAQ is what's necessary. We used to have one of those over in F-Body-Land... that is, until the people who had put in all the hard work moved onto other interests, and nobody since has been willing to deal with it. Maybe TDR will take the hint and do an FAQ page themselves.
I'm not going to alienate myself by saying I'm leaving or not renewing or whatever. I will wait and see what happens. As long as I feel that TDR is valueable, I will remain a member. When that feeling changes, then I'll move on.
Rob
On one hand, yeah, they oughta pony up for a freakin' sticker. If they can't, then I suggest they go public with the exact details of the "company" finances to prove to the membership that they aren't jerking us around.
I have no problem with somebody making money... no problem at all. The sticker would provide a lot of free advertising, which would help to increase membership, and thus bring more revenue. In that case, I see it as being a worthy investment.
Me, I'm not too cheap to spend the money to buy one. I won't, however, because of other reasons. I've stopped advertising for TDR. I find the forums to be very helpful, however, I find the TDR forum staff to be anything BUT helpful. You guys may recall the problem I had with a certain vendor's product a number of months ago. I got flamed through and through by many members (heck some of them may have been you guys) for denouncing this product, yet not one TDR forum staff member lifted a finger to even so much as REPLY to my private emails to them about the violations of the forum guidelines taking place. It wasn't until I finally emailed yet another administrator at a later date about it that I got a reply telling me to take my argument elsewhere because it wasn't welcome here. In other words, they didn't want me bad-mouthing one of their advertisers.
THAT is my beef with TDR. Now, the beef with the vendor has since been solved and I'm a happy camper again in that regard, but it still doesn't change the fact that I was totally IGNORED by the TDR forum staff. That is something I find absolutely wrong.
I am not unfamiliar with the whole forum-running thing, btw. I've been the administrator of the F-Body Mailing Lists since 1996, so I've had plenty of member issues to deal with. I have NEVER ignored somebody's complaint. Even if I felt it unfounded, I would at least reply to them and discuss it. So maybe we didn't have 10,000 members... we did have over 2000, and that's no small number.
Now, about this DieselRAM thing. Hey, if they think they can do it better than TDR, all power to 'em. My first suggestion is to create an FAQ page. Archives alone won't solve the problem of newbie posts about the same old thing. A GOOD, well organized FAQ is what's necessary. We used to have one of those over in F-Body-Land... that is, until the people who had put in all the hard work moved onto other interests, and nobody since has been willing to deal with it. Maybe TDR will take the hint and do an FAQ page themselves.
I'm not going to alienate myself by saying I'm leaving or not renewing or whatever. I will wait and see what happens. As long as I feel that TDR is valueable, I will remain a member. When that feeling changes, then I'll move on.
Rob
Rob H. is alive and well over on the dark side ... . I've been there and seen it with my own eyes!
I'm gonna throw my 2 cents in here now-like any of you really care
. I have no problem with paying the $35 dues over here-in the year-and-a-bit that I've been a member I've recouped way more than that in knowledge that would either never have come my way or would have been gained the hard way... . there's a lot of smart cookies over here-and not just in the CTD field. Man, I can't count how much I've learned about stuff that's nowhere near related to our truck stuff... plus I got introduced to GP courtesy of danandme . That's worth the price of admission alone! I have picked up the odd tidbit of info from the mag-but I sure wouldn't pay the $35 for it alone.
I gotta agree that the benefits of sending out a TDR bumper sticker with your subscription renewal card would far outweigh the costs... even up here in podunk Alberta there's a ton of CTD's running around with their owners being fed goods as far as BOMB's go-or even routine maintenance for that matter. How many guys would actually sign up from reading the sticker? Beats me-but if 1 did in a year's time I would think that would pay the sticker's cost quite a few times over.....
I understand too where the guys complaining about the multiple posts on past-covered topics are coming from. I lurked here for a long while before I registered... . and after I registered I didn't post very much. You still won't find me posting near as much as some of the guys who actually know something
- I only chime in when I've bought it, used it, sold it, or know somebody with it..... unless I've been drinking heavily in which case I often spew verbal diahrrea all over the place 
-then all bets are off... 
I try to put back into here what I've gotten out of here-I think that's what all of us try to do.
I plan to stay a member here until the benefits I get (read knowledge from this site) don't equal the outlay I make. If that time comes, and I truly hope it doesn't, I'll move on to greener pastures. I am over on the "other side" now as well-in the 24 hours that have elapsed since I registered they've had over 20 new members sign up. I have no way to categorize how many of the members over there are trolls, or malcontents, or whathaveyou... . but I do know that I recognize a lot of the usernames over there-and quite a few of the handles I don't are guys from here using different ones. Time will tell how things will shape up-I sure don't have a crystal ball to tell how it's gonna shape up. But I do know that once they hit a critical mass over there-and by that I mean enough of the smart guys to seriously draw interest-it'll be like a snowball rolling downhill. I've been through this before with the Cherokee forums I used to hang out in... .
They say competition is a good thing right? Guessing we'll find out... my opinions anyways!
Jason
... . I've been there and seen it with my own eyes! I'm gonna throw my 2 cents in here now-like any of you really care
. I have no problem with paying the $35 dues over here-in the year-and-a-bit that I've been a member I've recouped way more than that in knowledge that would either never have come my way or would have been gained the hard way... . there's a lot of smart cookies over here-and not just in the CTD field. Man, I can't count how much I've learned about stuff that's nowhere near related to our truck stuff... plus I got introduced to GP courtesy of danandme . That's worth the price of admission alone! I have picked up the odd tidbit of info from the mag-but I sure wouldn't pay the $35 for it alone. I gotta agree that the benefits of sending out a TDR bumper sticker with your subscription renewal card would far outweigh the costs... even up here in podunk Alberta there's a ton of CTD's running around with their owners being fed goods as far as BOMB's go-or even routine maintenance for that matter. How many guys would actually sign up from reading the sticker? Beats me-but if 1 did in a year's time I would think that would pay the sticker's cost quite a few times over.....
I understand too where the guys complaining about the multiple posts on past-covered topics are coming from. I lurked here for a long while before I registered... . and after I registered I didn't post very much. You still won't find me posting near as much as some of the guys who actually know something
- I only chime in when I've bought it, used it, sold it, or know somebody with it..... unless I've been drinking heavily in which case I often spew verbal diahrrea all over the place -then all bets are off... I try to put back into here what I've gotten out of here-I think that's what all of us try to do. I plan to stay a member here until the benefits I get (read knowledge from this site) don't equal the outlay I make. If that time comes, and I truly hope it doesn't, I'll move on to greener pastures. I am over on the "other side" now as well-in the 24 hours that have elapsed since I registered they've had over 20 new members sign up. I have no way to categorize how many of the members over there are trolls, or malcontents, or whathaveyou... . but I do know that I recognize a lot of the usernames over there-and quite a few of the handles I don't are guys from here using different ones. Time will tell how things will shape up-I sure don't have a crystal ball to tell how it's gonna shape up. But I do know that once they hit a critical mass over there-and by that I mean enough of the smart guys to seriously draw interest-it'll be like a snowball rolling downhill. I've been through this before with the Cherokee forums I used to hang out in... .
They say competition is a good thing right? Guessing we'll find out... my opinions anyways!
Jason
Actually I have been Larry-but only moderately-no fear yet as it will take me another few shots to reach my true potential .
Seriously though, I didn't contribute much to this site other than my money for the first 6-8 months simply because my policy in life is to keep my mouth shut unless I'm real good and sure about what I'm talking about. Whether I do now or not is still a matter of conjecture but I am trying to put back what I have gotten (and continue to get) out. I did this also on the XJ forum that I was a member of-and I will do it at whatever kind of forum I end up in the future. I guess I could have run my mouth about anything and everything right off the bat-but I've never had much respect for those type folks-still don't...
I ain't leavin' over a stupid sticker-or anything else petty like that. I stick with things for the long run-but if and when I do decide to go (and it's gonna take something pretty serious for me to) there'll be no fuss-no muss-I'll just be gone. Nobody'll probably even notice-unless a whole lot of others decide to take the same route...
And I do forgive you for the drinking crack-anybody off the street I would have just backhanded but I will make an exception for a fellow TDR member!
Jason The Closet Binger
. Seriously though, I didn't contribute much to this site other than my money for the first 6-8 months simply because my policy in life is to keep my mouth shut unless I'm real good and sure about what I'm talking about. Whether I do now or not is still a matter of conjecture
but I am trying to put back what I have gotten (and continue to get) out. I did this also on the XJ forum that I was a member of-and I will do it at whatever kind of forum I end up in the future. I guess I could have run my mouth about anything and everything right off the bat-but I've never had much respect for those type folks-still don't... I ain't leavin' over a stupid sticker-or anything else petty like that. I stick with things for the long run-but if and when I do decide to go (and it's gonna take something pretty serious for me to) there'll be no fuss-no muss-I'll just be gone. Nobody'll probably even notice-unless a whole lot of others decide to take the same route...
And I do forgive you for the drinking crack-anybody off the street I would have just backhanded but I will make an exception for a fellow TDR member!
Jason The Closet Binger
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Everyone, I'd like to appologize for my behavior and posts over the last couple of days. I don't really know what happened, but something in me just snapped! I real can't believe how worked up I got over a sticker! But I did... and I'm sorry if I got anyones' panties in a bundle over it.
I wish you all the best! TDR is a great site with a ton of great info and contributors!
Guess now I've got to go chiesel off that TDR pewter grill ornament that I epoxied to my Tommy Gate. That should be fun!
Hasta,
Don Leamon
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Everyone, I'd like to appologize for my behavior and posts over the last couple of days. I don't really know what happened, but something in me just snapped! I real can't believe how worked up I got over a sticker! But I did... and I'm sorry if I got anyones' panties in a bundle over it.
I wish you all the best! TDR is a great site with a ton of great info and contributors!
Guess now I've got to go chiesel off that TDR pewter grill ornament that I epoxied to my Tommy Gate. That should be fun!
Hasta,
Don Leamon
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