Texas Seatbelt Laws and 3500

[Murle]

Yea, that is it. I wonder what condition he would have been in if he had been strapped in???? They most likely would not have had anything left to care flite.



He remaind in for 300 ft. Then ejected. Yep should have been wearing a seat belt. That way he could have stayed in the whole 1700 ft.



O'well, here is another statistic for why you should wear a seat belt.

 

[RustyJC]

I never thought much about wearing a seatbelt until about 1988 when I was on a business trip to the Houston area (we were still living in Ohio at the time. ) Long story short - we were involved in a collision on NASA Road 1 that totalled our rental car. I went into the windshield "A" pillar head first. The passenger with me went through the windshield head first. Neither of us were wearing seat belts.



The first thing I do when I get into a vehicle now is buckle up. So does anyone riding in my vehicle with me. No exceptions. None. Experience is a hard, but thorough, teacher.



Rusty

 

[RottnDogue]

Originally posted by RustyJC

I never thought much about wearing a seatbelt until about 1988 when I was on a business trip to the Houston area (we were still living in Ohio at the time. ) Long story short - we were involved in a collision on NASA Road 1 that totalled our rental car. I went into the windshield "A" pillar head first. The passenger with me went through the windshield head first. Neither of us were wearing seat belts.



The first thing I do when I get into a vehicle now is buckle up. So does anyone riding in my vehicle with me. No exceptions. None. Experience is a hard, but thorough, teacher.



Rusty

And in a Free Society that is your choice... . Oh Yeah that's right, nothing is Free anymore... ...



Darren

 

[RustyJC]

Originally posted by RottnDogue





And in a Free Society that is your choice... . Oh Yeah that's right, nothing is Free anymore... ...



Darren

And that's precisely my point. If you ride in my vehicle, you play by my rules. Rule 1 is you buckle up. Am I impinging on your freedom? Yes. Do I have a valid reason for doing so? Well, in my opinion (based on experience), yes. Do you have a choice in the matter? Yep - if you don't like the rules, pull the door handle and step out.



Rusty

 

[Todd G]

Say I by mistake hit someone in their vehicle that is not wearing their seatbelt. I know their injuries will be greater than if they were. When they(or their insurance company) sue me, it will be for a greater amount. This bugs me.



I did a ride-along with a police officer I know several times. I asked her how many fatalities she had seen when the people were buckled up. She said the odds were 10 times greater of surviving when wearing a seatbelt. I like those odds.



On the other hand, I also wear a helmet when riding my motorcycles. I keep my old helmet as a reminder that I wouldn't be here if I wasn't wearing it. I guess I prefer to use all the safety equipment I can get.

 

[RottnDogue]

Originally posted by RustyJC





And that's precisely my point. If you ride in my vehicle, you play by my rules. Rule 1 is you buckle up. Am I impinging on your freedom? Yes. Do I have a valid reason for doing so? Well, in my opinion (based on experience), yes. Do you have a choice in the matter? Yep - if you don't like the rules, pull the door handle and step out.



Rusty

My Point is that is Your Choice, as it should be everyone's..... But the Criminals who make the laws have really taken this CHOICE away from everyone..... "Nothing is free anymore"



Darren

 

[NVR FNSH]

Originally posted by RottnDogue





My Point is that is Your Choice, as it should be everyone's..... But the Criminals who make the laws have really taken this CHOICE away from everyone..... "Nothing is free anymore"



Darren

Uh, last time I checked those criminals were elected to represent the views of the majority... . granted the process has been hi-jacked along the way on occassion.



Most of you need to stop your whining and either buckle up or shut up and pay the fine if you get a ticket. There are cases where not wearing a seatbelt was the smart thing but those tend to be the exception, not the rule.



Let me guess - having to stop at that red light/stop sign or having a posted speed limit is an infringement on your rights. Get a grip. Find something more worthwhile to **** & moan about.



Brian

 

[Sled Puller]

Brian,

It is all those little things that are adding up to the breaking point.



You have to draw a line somewhere, or you will be lawed right into a coma.



I wear my belt because I want to, not because I am told to.



Gene

 

[NVR FNSH]

Gene,

I also wear my seat belt because I want to/feel it's a benefit. I would wear the seat belt and my motorcycle helmet regardless of a law requiring either one. That said, I also believe that there are people that are too stupid for their own good and they are they ones that have to have 'big brother' telling them what to do. I'm torn between letting them remove themselves from the gene pool (get out of Gene's yard ) or sparing their loved ones..... Or sometimes the victim of complete stupidity is an innocent child (or animal) - case in point, the parents that leave an infant in a locked car when it's 100F outside. Sometimes you just have to pass a law so that people don't brain fart on a daily basis.



I did a ride along with the local PD about a month ago and the officer suggested that I not wear my seat belt. Talk about a weird feeling... .



Brian

 

[Sled Puller]

I guess I'm a cold hearted SOB, becuse I could care less if the neighbors wore seatbelts, helmets, or cleaned loaded guns!



I just feel we can't make the world idiot proof, and I don't waste time trying.



Case in point- My Boss last year was stripping heavy cable TOWARDS himself. I said hey, I know I'm not an electrician, but that is way wrong!.

He said that is the only way to do it. Next day, he took a trip to the ER, to the bone, nerves and all!!!



The thing that torques me, is that when they do try to make idiot laws, it steps on my freedoms.



Prolly a bad attitude, and won't win me any points on that day of reckoning, eh?



That is weird about your ride.

 

[Champane Flight]

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I never wore a seatbelt in my younger days. When I went to work as a truckdriver I began to wear one. It made me feel more secure in the seat. I didn't have power steering and the extra leverage of being buckled up gave me a solid foundation. I just kind of got in the habit of wearing one and carried it over to my P/U. This was years before it was law.



A little story. The wife and I were sitting in our living room last spring and heard a CRASH. Looking out the front window we saw a Blaser on its top in front of our house. I told the little woman to call 911 and headed out the door. We live on a residential street and speed limit is 25. The Blaser was sitting on its top facing the back the way it came from. There were kids (two) laying in the street crying. There mother was in the Blaser crying for her babys and the driver (the father) was laying across the street unconsious. I ran out and helped my neighbor with blankets and conforted the kids. The husband was in Bad shape and died shortly after getting to the hospital. The wife had a broken arm, the little boy had a broken collar bone, and the little girl a broken pelvis. To top it all off, there was a guy who was standing on the sidewalk all this time ( who I thought was a spectator) was a passenger! Not a scratch! He was ejected out the back hatchback! They were coming down the street and a small compact car hit them from the side street under their rear wheel. It flipped them end over end and on their top. They were doing 30 mph! We figured the driver was forced through the side window after it hit on its top, which was about the size of your computer screen!



So do you figure its OK to go a few blocks without buckling up? Go ahead. Just don't go in front of my house. I don't care for repeating that scene again for awhile or ever. There are times when a seatbelt is a inconveinence, then so is death... ... ... ...

 

[mdlowry]

Originally posted by illflem

I used to feel much the same way, what business does the government have telling me what to do? Then I got educated. The biggest money drain from folks not wearing helmets and belts is when the public has to pick up the tab for more the serious injuries encountered by lower income uninsured folks.

But I don't think we should have socialized health care to begin with. If THEY don't want to wear THEIR seatbelts, THEY should have to pay the consequences of THEIR actions. NOT ME!

 

[RottnDogue]

Originally posted by NVR FNSH



Most of you need to stop your whining and either buckle up or shut up and pay the fine if you get a ticket. There are cases where not wearing a seatbelt was the smart thing but those tend to be the exception, not the rule.

Let me guess - having to stop at that red light/stop sign or having a posted speed limit is an infringement on your rights. Get a grip. Find something more worthwhile to **** & moan about.



Brian

I do wear my seatbelt, and if you don't mind the Government telling you what to do then maybe the USA isn't the place for you. And as far as comparing stop lights and seat belts Please

Apples to Apples if your going to attempt an intelligent discussion How does a me wearing a seatbelt effect anyone but me? I know how ignoring a red light will effect others...



I'm for less Government, NOT MORE. and if your sick of the "Moaning" (your word) stop reading it... . I guess the Guys in Boston just should have paid the tax and shut up right..... Hell it was the Brits Tea, right! Just imagine where would be if they did... ..... Heck we would all be speaking British... .

 

[RottnDogue]

Originally posted by NVR FNSH

I also believe that there are people that are too stupid for their own good and they are they ones that have to have 'big brother' telling them what to do. Brian

Maybe you want Big Brother, but I sure as Hell Don't... . You know what Pisses me off most about the seatbelt law in CT when they were attempting to Passed it, they said it was not a reason to be stopped, but if were pulled over for another offense, then you could be ticketed for not wearing your seatbelt...

Well, Now when they are craking down (as they put it) they run road blocks to check for seatbelt violations... . GRRRRRr as if being stopped without probable cause isn't bad enough... . Now they do it to check for Freaking seatbelt violations... ...

 

[RottnDogue]

Originally posted by mdlowry

But I don't think we should have socialized health care to begin with. If THEY don't want to wear THEIR seatbelts, THEY should have to pay the consequences of THEIR actions. NOT ME!

Oh My ... . you are kidding right?? You know how hard it is to find a good Doctor now, can you imagine? The Problem with the Healthcare system is that the insurance companies have ALL the power... . it should be given back to the Dr. 's where it belongs...



Darren

 

[mdlowry]

Originally posted by RottnDogue


Oh My ... . you are kidding right?? You know how hard it is to find a good Doctor now, can you imagine? The Problem with the Healthcare system is that the insurance companies have ALL the power... .

Of course they had some help getting there. The fed still makes way too many rules for the health care system. They are also involved in providing "insurance" (Medicare & Medicade). They seem to be reading from a different US Constitution than I am.

Originally posted by RottnDogue
it should be given back to the Dr. 's where it belongs...

Darren

I thought it belonged to the individual.

 

[RottnDogue]

Originally posted by mdlowry

I thought it belonged to the individual.

Yes, you are correct the final decision falls to the individual or his/her family, but the Docs should be able to treat as they feel is needed, and not have the Insurance companies dictate what and how you should be treated... ...



Darren

 

[mdlowry]

Originally posted by RottnDogue


Yes, you are correct the final decision falls to the individual or his/her family, but the Docs should be able to treat as they feel is needed, and not have the Insurance companies dictate what and how you should be treated... ...

Darren

And on the topic of seat belts, I keep wondering when some state will close the motorcycle seatbelt loophole.

 

[Champane Flight]

Get rid of.

We need to get rid of all big buck, no common sense, law suits, then maybe we can get rid of insurance companys.



As far as docs giving us the treatment THEY see fit, that would cost us millions more than the present. Not to mention be totally needless in most cases. Almost every Doctor out there is running scared from malpractice insurance right now. Most people do not even know what a good Doctor is, let alone know what their treatment is supposed to be. They just take the Doctors word for it, and never, never question him/her. Ask your local RN who the best Docs in the area are, they know. And while your at it get a second opinion and stay by your loved one while in any hospital, ask questions, and watch. If it doesen't look right, it probably isn't.



We have all been fed a crock about socialized medicine by our insurance companys and a few bad experiences by failures of some systems. I would not like to have our goverment in charge of medical treatment. I would like to see an independant organization take over, like the AMA. No more malpractice, let em police their own. Right now we are at the mercy of insurance companys and our goverment. My wife (RN) was with a organization which policed Doctors. Who over medicated, over charged, and over procedured. Believe me MOST will if they can... .





I think it is the goverments job to inform me of the dangers, NOT pass laws to protect me. There are always going to be people that are going to break the law and pay the price. That is the right of the individual and shows that NO law can be compleatly enforced. So I don't care if you don't wear your seatbelt, that is a choice you make. And a price you will have to pay. Nobody likes being told what to do, I didn't like being told NO by my parents. I still don't like it from my goverment.

 

[RottnDogue]

Great Post Champane Flight.....





Darren