RacinDuallie said:
2 days????? I will take 20. :-laf
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2 days????? I will take 20. :-laf
RD-so not only are you a know-it-all, you have an at your service foundry in your living room? I know all about the problems with these heads. And I know all about cutting the plenums off. And building tube plenums. Why would you want to cast one? And so what if you could get in 2 days? Do you realize the time it takes to cut the plenum off, true up the side deck, locate and drill your plenum holes and tap them?
Sigh... ... ... ... ... we've been through these questions before JDailey- Know it all??? When have I said that Buddy? If I said that- then quote it and post it- my friend.
Just what are you trying to accomplish here with your postings in this manner? Do I know you? No- do you know me? No, so why you coming off like that? If you want to weld up your own tubed runner intake like anyone else has tried then by all means do! Will you build it so you could still drive it daily?-utilize the heater grid for easier start up?-utilize all the nessesary sensors? Have the option of either using an air to air intercooler like stock one there already(for street use) or rotate the new hook up elbow to bypass the intercooler and delete the restriction of that intercooler from the system- go directly from turbo feed to intake and use water/meth and/or nitros oxide for cooling?(for race only use) Will you go through all that while your welding? I for one would like to see you sitting in traffic with this tubed piece and see if it still holds and maintains your full peak boost pressures with out splitting after countless heat cycles.....
Wouldn't it be cool if you could order this intake bring a cylinder head to your trusting machine shop hand them the instructions on what to machine -how far to machine- where to drill and tap for mounting flange holes and so on so forth? Kind of makes this task a little easier- no?
Just what are you trying to accomplish here with your postings in this manner? Do I know you? No- do you know me? No, so why you coming off like that? If you want to weld up your own tubed runner intake like anyone else has tried then by all means do! Will you build it so you could still drive it daily?-utilize the heater grid for easier start up?-utilize all the nessesary sensors? Have the option of either using an air to air intercooler like stock one there already(for street use) or rotate the new hook up elbow to bypass the intercooler and delete the restriction of that intercooler from the system- go directly from turbo feed to intake and use water/meth and/or nitros oxide for cooling?(for race only use) Will you go through all that while your welding? I for one would like to see you sitting in traffic with this tubed piece and see if it still holds and maintains your full peak boost pressures with out splitting after countless heat cycles.....
Wouldn't it be cool if you could order this intake bring a cylinder head to your trusting machine shop hand them the instructions on what to machine -how far to machine- where to drill and tap for mounting flange holes and so on so forth? Kind of makes this task a little easier- no?
( but one that's already 'casted' ready to go, so if you know of one like THIS- that one can call up and order and have delivered to ones door in 2 days then o. k. my bubbles bursted- but I think not)
Hey dually if you are all about sharing information
THEN who is making these and how much I can order one and have it by Tuesday The more I am reading your posts I agree with Rdailey you sure seem to be a know it all PLEASE KEEP US ALL LAUGHING I know I am, later
Hey dually if you are all about sharing information
THEN who is making these and how much I can order one and have it by Tuesday The more I am reading your posts I agree with Rdailey you sure seem to be a know it all PLEASE KEEP US ALL LAUGHING I know I am, later
RD,
Not trying to tell you how to do things, but you could learn some things from Mr. Dailey if he was willing to teach. The guy knows his ****, period.
Not trying to tell you how to do things, but you could learn some things from Mr. Dailey if he was willing to teach. The guy knows his ****, period.
In the spirit of "how fast stock parts can go", I may have to do a back to back, stock head against a cut off plenum, ported run special.
I bet that with the right turbo, and boost, it may make some difference, but not a huge amount. Our head today has 30% of the porting I showed a while back on the other thread, and it does OK. The new head, on the new short block may do a bit better.
Has onyone out there only changed a head and seen any difference?
I bet that with the right turbo, and boost, it may make some difference, but not a huge amount. Our head today has 30% of the porting I showed a while back on the other thread, and it does OK. The new head, on the new short block may do a bit better.
Has onyone out there only changed a head and seen any difference?
I'm guessing that since everyone thinks this is going to be some kind of joke- then laugh it up now cause when this lil sweetheart of a part gets released I'll be the one laughing!! Yes this idea has been around for a long while now but tell me how many different manifolds can you purchase now- that's on the market? none? oh- o. k. What would you like me to post the actual prints for the part? maybe post pics of the rough piece that I now have?, reveal my sources? post dimensions-specs and all? Heck anyone else out there could very well be working on the same project that I am. You can cast all the doubt in the world you want towards me or the Ramifold but when its out on the market -I'll hold no grudges.
Hammer
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One can only wonder how a guy can use numbers he can not back up with real world flow bench numbers. ANYONE can be a backyard head porter but unless you have the access of a flow bench all your doing is loosing weight with all this grinding. Until you,RD,find a flowbench,strap the head on and get some actual flow numbers please as you tell everyone,"stick to the facts". There is way more to head porting than the crapola your pushing here.
At the very beginning of this thread you asked for help and answers were given. With alot of those answers you did nothing more than accuse some of us about being about money. So after this has reached this point and I feel its now a good time to ask. . "How do you not think this is any cheaper than having a intake built by a reputable shop who have the facilities to properly flow test it?". OH,I know the answer to that one even,simple,the money goes in your pocket and not someone elses. Lets see if I have your ramblings right here now,have a owner buy a spare head and your "Ramifold"(an intake which was designed with no tests done to prove its efficency and net gains). Have the head machined,ported and properly fitted to use the afore mentioned manifold. Hmmm,I wonder what part of that doesn't cost money,one of the biggest gripes you have had all along in this thread?.
If those who read this thread had a dollar for everytime you have mentioned your manifold,they could buy one from you easily. Nothing like a rah rah rah self indulgent cheerleader whose only goal is to push his idea/parts down your throat and discredit the work of others because their work may cost money. I can only wonder if you actually ever did any research before beginning this deal. If you had maybe you would have figured out that billet heads have been out along time,as have roller cams,better valvetrains,cast intakes and a host of other performance parts for these motors. Its time you get out of the garage a bit RD and go look what some of the bigger powered 5. 9's are using for manifolds. I am certain you will be surprised at what you find... ... ... Andy
BTW. .
It amazes me that one of the biggest problems with airflow and heat buildup on these motors is right in front of you and yet you miss it.
Hammer,
You seem to think that this project that I am working on, spending my time, soon spending my money- on a limited to a minimum of 100 piece order from the foundry, is a waste of time and B. S. You ask about flow numbers to show a comparison between the differences between heads. Well so far- we know- and it WAS posted the actual flow numbers from a stock head, and a comparitive 'ported head' that can be purchased from any of the shops. These numbers were from an actual FLOW BENCH. What do you think I pulled these numbers from my hat? I wish I had that ability to pull actual flow numbers like that-as do many others. You seem to also think that this 'project' I'm working on is going right onto the market, without any type of data to back it up, well that seems to be stupid to do something like that- I certainly wouldn't do that-nor would *I* personally pay for a part that has all these expectations in improvements without any real world proof to back it up, why would i expect anybody else to do the same? You also seem to question what I have access to in reguards to a flow-bench- I can understand that- But sorry to tell you but I do have access to a flow bench- not all the time mind you- I do have to wait for space to use one when it's free to use and my 'contacts' have alittle spare time to work with me on it. So this 'crapola' that your opinion is of this will have REAL FLOW BENCH testing done to it- if this turns out the way I am hoping- then I will not only post the results of this testing data but also put a copy of the flow test results in each box provided that it turns out that this 'crapola' is a success.
If you Hammer- think that I would sell a product to the members of the TDR- or the general public without proof of knowing that said product has benifits-you are soooooo wrong. It would be easier to design something else, like a air induction hood or something of that nature.
Fact is- I am working on this in my own time, gonna test it, gonna flow bench it,gonna try it out on test vehicles and givin the results of these different tests will make the call on wether or not to go into production or not. One of my contacts with a foundry has already told me that yes this could be casted and yes they will do it, they also put a minimum of 100 pieces on the first order. I certainly wouldn't take that type of leap without having proof that this 'crapola'(as your opinion puts it) works. Being that 100 pieces is a significant amount of expense out of ones pocket to "roll the dice" with and take a gamble like that!
Nobody is stopping YOU or anybody else for that matter from going to a shop and having a manifold custom built, it's your truck,it's your choice, it's your money! Do with it what you want. This is an approach that I want to take- not you.
So sit back and wait for the results- or whatever you want to do for improving the performance of THE CUMMINS DIESEL. I'm not forcing you to do anything at all so if all this hard work that is taking place has REAL WORLD benifits and does go into production- still nobody is forcing you to purchace one. You can do what you want. I'm doing what I want to and this is one of the many projects that has my concentration right now.
You seem to think that this project that I am working on, spending my time, soon spending my money- on a limited to a minimum of 100 piece order from the foundry, is a waste of time and B. S. You ask about flow numbers to show a comparison between the differences between heads. Well so far- we know- and it WAS posted the actual flow numbers from a stock head, and a comparitive 'ported head' that can be purchased from any of the shops. These numbers were from an actual FLOW BENCH. What do you think I pulled these numbers from my hat? I wish I had that ability to pull actual flow numbers like that-as do many others. You seem to also think that this 'project' I'm working on is going right onto the market, without any type of data to back it up, well that seems to be stupid to do something like that- I certainly wouldn't do that-nor would *I* personally pay for a part that has all these expectations in improvements without any real world proof to back it up, why would i expect anybody else to do the same? You also seem to question what I have access to in reguards to a flow-bench- I can understand that- But sorry to tell you but I do have access to a flow bench- not all the time mind you- I do have to wait for space to use one when it's free to use and my 'contacts' have alittle spare time to work with me on it. So this 'crapola' that your opinion is of this will have REAL FLOW BENCH testing done to it- if this turns out the way I am hoping- then I will not only post the results of this testing data but also put a copy of the flow test results in each box provided that it turns out that this 'crapola' is a success.
If you Hammer- think that I would sell a product to the members of the TDR- or the general public without proof of knowing that said product has benifits-you are soooooo wrong. It would be easier to design something else, like a air induction hood or something of that nature.
Fact is- I am working on this in my own time, gonna test it, gonna flow bench it,gonna try it out on test vehicles and givin the results of these different tests will make the call on wether or not to go into production or not. One of my contacts with a foundry has already told me that yes this could be casted and yes they will do it, they also put a minimum of 100 pieces on the first order. I certainly wouldn't take that type of leap without having proof that this 'crapola'(as your opinion puts it) works. Being that 100 pieces is a significant amount of expense out of ones pocket to "roll the dice" with and take a gamble like that!
Nobody is stopping YOU or anybody else for that matter from going to a shop and having a manifold custom built, it's your truck,it's your choice, it's your money! Do with it what you want. This is an approach that I want to take- not you.
So sit back and wait for the results- or whatever you want to do for improving the performance of THE CUMMINS DIESEL. I'm not forcing you to do anything at all so if all this hard work that is taking place has REAL WORLD benifits and does go into production- still nobody is forcing you to purchace one. You can do what you want. I'm doing what I want to and this is one of the many projects that has my concentration right now.
aharrow said:
Aaron,
I have responded in the "PAST" to the Big Dogs here in the past with a clouded- response. Let me make one word clear P-A-S-T!!!
I cannot change what went on in the past here on the forums, but the damage has been done and I cannot change that, but I can change on the present, and am doing so. If the ones that have been rubbed the wrong way don't want to accept that, then hey- I understand, and I personally can't blame them! This is not about me pushing anything on anyone. And if those that 'know'- don't want to respond that's o. k. too. There is nothing that I can do to change the inner feelings of someone that was abused by my ranting. But hopefully they will sit back and over time see that I haved changed my outlook on things here and time heals all wounds.
So however your feelings are towards me- I can't change that, and I respect your position that your taking towards it. I have publically responded to the ones I feel I have ranted on the most and noted that I was wrong, wether they choose to accept my public appology is entirely up to them.....
I could have individually PM'ed those and appologized- but I thought about it and thought it would be best to do so out in the open. So if you still have these opinons of me then there is nothing really that I see can be done to change your opinion. For that I guess it's my loss- the damage was done... ... .
sbentz said:
Scott- I think that's a GREAT IDEA!!Oo.
We all have a general idea on what a stock head flows
( I even posted the stocker numbers)I even posted the flow numbers for a ported head- NO porting on the Intake side of ports-with plenum still attatched.
It would be very interesting to see what these heads flow now that the plenum is removed and intake side is ported...
With the additional airflow you would be able to crank the fuel up slightly more over just a standard ported head(no intake porting).
I think this testing would be an interesting comparison on the various modifications to these cylinder heads. See which mod has the most benifit in the power building dept.
As far as how much power is available with the type of modifications discussed in this thread- I would be too biased to admit to the potential and would possibly cause another uproar that I don't want to be in the middle of:{ But an outside individual might be able to help this situation?
There is individuals out there that can't wait for this manifold to come out. So it is my belief that having the plenum lopped off is something that 'some' are willing to go through in the search of more power. That's good because that means there is a small market base for a part with this caliper of modifications to undertake, I'm not the only one who believes this will be a hot part to add to our menu of horsepower building in our CTD's. Testing will tell the R E A L story though- and a positive test result WILL bring this to the market.
joaker said:
Joaker-
Some people are looking forward for this, which is very good!! I am very enthuisiastic on bringing something that works, to the market. Some have their doubts- but it's all in plain sight that this WILL be benificial in helping alot of us looking to get over that hump... .
I know the idea has been around but that's all it was- an idea. Nobody in their right mind would want to mass produce 'welded up pieces'. Too much time, labor, and expense involved in attempting to mass produce a part like this- it makes sense to design this manifold for casting. People do have their doubts- but I don't! I know this will work out for us. How good will it work ? Testing will tell.
I would have answered through a PM to the individuals that have been asking me questions- but I am still experiencing problems sending a reply to the PM's:{ . Besides I feel it's better out on the forum anyhow.....
Just be patient fellas... .
aharrow,
So far the only parts that you get to lose is the cast-in plenum, plenum cover plate,rear lift bracket and the factory air horn, possibly get away with tweaking the lines upwards a tad bit-but I'm trying to keep them routed the same way as stock with bosses to secure the lines solidly to the new manifold... .
Still working away with the rough piece so I am trying not to stray to far away from what we have to start with... .....
But hey I kept the grid heater in there for the streeters(easier startup for streeters) and it is optional-you can leave it out if your race only... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... .....
So far the only parts that you get to lose is the cast-in plenum, plenum cover plate,rear lift bracket and the factory air horn, possibly get away with tweaking the lines upwards a tad bit-but I'm trying to keep them routed the same way as stock with bosses to secure the lines solidly to the new manifold... .
Still working away with the rough piece so I am trying not to stray to far away from what we have to start with... .....
But hey I kept the grid heater in there for the streeters(easier startup for streeters) and it is optional-you can leave it out if your race only... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... .....
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