Then there was four- digits of torque.

[Cummins12V98]

Competition is great. Trucks keep getting better all around.

As mentioned on another forum GM better offer a 4.10 or they will be left in the dust once again with SAE DRW tow ratings.

 

[JR]

Not that I care about who wins races between the big three but I suspect GM with their 10 speed will more than make up for its lower torque rating.
I'd have rather seen Ram leave the engine ratings alone and invest in more gearing.

 

[EDankievitch]

I just have to laugh about this rating. The 89 that I had way back with only 400 ft lbs of torque towed everything I ever asked it to move. My 02 was better but not by much but I was still very happy with what it could do. Flash forward to the 05 Manual transmission I had and same thing never lacked it it's ability only huge change was the fuel economy when towing was way better. The 2012 Manual had some lag but which I attributed to all the stuff in the tail pipe and the fact that they had added torque limiting to "save the clutch and transmission". I found the truck undriveable on rainy snowy days if you turned off the traction control system. But it could pull anything I hitched to it. The 2013 Auto I now own is the same thing it'll pull anything out pulling my friends Duracraps every time. It also is undriveable when the traction control is turned off. 600 or 800 ft lbs of torque has No problem spinning the tires on dry pavement.
Why do we need any more???
If you are maxing out the truck at the old levels you really need more truck 4500 or a 5500 series truck with real breaks and 19" tires.
Just my humble stupid opinion..

 

[Wiredawg]

JR, its speculation, but I would guess that a 8or more speed transmission would be the next logical upgrade Ram makes.

Ron

 

[Cummins12V98]

JR, its speculation, but I would guess that a 8or more speed transmission would be the next logical upgrade Ram makes.

Ron

Most likely true needed or not!

 

[Cummins12V98]

Not that I care about who wins races between the big three but I suspect GM with their 10 speed will more than make up for its lower torque rating.
I'd have rather seen Ram leave the engine ratings alone and invest in more gearing.

Their issue was the Allison was not up to the task if it was it would have at least the same tow ratings as the AISIN with 3.73's.

Hill start is where it's at with the SAE tests forward and reverse. GM with the new auto needs a 4.10 or REALLY low 1st and reverse to compete with RAM and Ford.

 

[Bob4x4]

Once upon a time, roof lights were standard on any 3500. My 04.5 in particular.

They are required on duallys

 

[Newsa]

There's Texas Ram dealership has six
manuals on Ebay at a nice reduction.

Ron

Yeah. It will be a few years after they are all sold off the various dealer lots and people realizing they are no longer available before their value rebounds. That's the way it is with all models. Scarcity makes them more valuable.

Not everyone interested in a ram has yet read the articles posted

 

[JR]

Speaking of GM and their 10 speed, check this out.

That new Allison 10-speed isn’t actually made by the familiar Indianapolis-based engineering firm. It will be built in-house by General Motors and simply features Allison branding. The transmission isn’t closely related to the 10-speed automatic found in the 2019 Silverado 1500, as far as we can tell, with General Motors describing the Allison-branded unit as “all-new.”

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The only way to get a true Allison-built transmission in your Silverado is to opt for the new Silverado 4500, 5500 and 6500 medium-duty trucks. These monsters will feature an Allison-designed and built six-speed automatic transmission. The new six-speed was developed in conjunction with GM and is designed specifically for use in the gargantuan medium duty Chevys.

https://www.google.com/amp/gmauthor...ison-transmission-isnt-really-an-allison/amp/

I think Justin called this out a while back, but this is the first article I've seen on it.

 

[JR]

JR, its speculation, but I would guess that a 8or more speed transmission would be the next logical upgrade Ram makes.

Ron

I agree, and I think it would be a benefit. Modern transmissions are already too complex for even savvy DIYers to repair so might as well go all in!

 

[JR]

Their issue was the Allison was not up to the task if it was it would have at least the same tow ratings as the AISIN with 3.73's.

Hill start is where it's at with the SAE tests forward and reverse. GM with the new auto needs a 4.10 or REALLY low 1st and reverse to compete with RAM and Ford.

Is there a loaded hill start test in the SAE ratings?

I'm thinking with 4 extra gears a low first and reverse wont be an issue anymore.

 

[jgillott]

Speaking of GM and their 10 speed, check this out.



https://www.google.com/amp/gmauthor...ison-transmission-isnt-really-an-allison/amp/

I think Justin called this out a while back, but this is the first article I've seen on it.

Just don't tell my wife that I was correct about something. She'd never believe you.

 

[Cummins12V98]

This SAE J2807 test separates the Men from the Boys

Launch on Grade 12% grade, forward direction Five launches to 5.0 meters (16 feet) in 5 minutes
Launch on Grade 12% grade, reverse direction Five launches to 5.0 meters (16 feet) in 5 minutes

 

[AH64ID]

The cam on a 2013 385hp HO was the same cam as used in 2010.

With a ESN from a 13+ C&C I could look up the cam part number.

The difference in peak hp at 2400 and 2900 doesn't have to be cam, it can be done quite easily with tuning.

 

[Wiredawg]

I guess no one is looking at Robert Patton's 2013 buyers guide, page 26, where he posted a pic of a cam and wrote the info I referenced. I have no direct knowledge the cams are different, but I do consider Robert a credible source.

Where do I find the ESN?

Ron

 

[Wiredawg]

AH64ID,
This is off my 2017 5500. Engine plate is way in the back of the engine hard to see... tried taking pics with phone.
Engine #: 58840810
Family: HCEXHO408BAS
Another number 6807155AG

Let us know if this does it.

Ron

 

[sag2]

Speaking of GM and their 10 speed, check this out.



https://www.google.com/amp/gmauthor...ison-transmission-isnt-really-an-allison/amp/

I think Justin called this out a while back, but this is the first article I've seen on it.

This is no different than Ram 8 speed transmissions (and 9 speed FWD) where they purchase some from ZF and the rest they manufacturer in house using the same design. Although all the training materials say parts are not interchangable, the vast majority are. You can tell which 8 or 9 speed you have by the sales code that includes "buy" if it is a ZF built unit.

 

[NWatchel]

AH64ID,
This is off my 2017 5500. Engine plate is way in the back of the engine hard to see... tried taking pics with phone.
Engine #: 58840810
Family: HCEXHO408BAS
Another number 6807155AG

Let us know if this does it.

Ron

Wiredawg - your camshaft is part number 4983627.

If someone else has an ESN I can compare them too.

 

[Wiredawg]

NWatchel, a 2017 to compare to is ideal, but see how yours compares for now to see what happens.

Ron

 

[Wiredawg]

One orething: Cummins ID plate says "Delegated assembly vocational vehicles only"

I believe this designates this engine for commercial vehicles or C&Cs only.

Anyone run there ESN yet?

Ron