Tie Rod Ends

[LNaugle]

The only reason I was saying anything about the fox is that you can vary the N20 psi to correct for the trucks that came from the factory with the slight right pull ,you know the ones that nobody can align it out and the dealer has some stupid excuse for the truck doing it, like they told my dad... " That's built in so you if you fall asleep at the wheel you won't crossover into oncoming traffic" !!!!!! Quote from local Dodge dealer that is now out of business... .

 

[cerberusiam]

Are the standard tie rod ends for the 08. 5+ not greasable? The tie rod ends are the only greasable part of my OEM suspension.

That seems to be the difference in cost, zerks. The one I got has no zerks anywhere. Could probably drill the caps for them which is probably what has been done.

 

[AH64ID]

That makes sense. I do want greasable joints. I don't think my OEMs are bad yet, but since I am working on the front end now would be the time to do everything.

So maybe the 08. 5+ is the way to go, but I will keep the OEM stuff around just in case.

I didn't always have the right pull, and it's the same with different tires so I am thinking it's more the BJ than anything else. So I'll probably just go with the standard Bilstein steering stabilizer.

 

[Bob4x4]

Toyo mts have a right pull

 

[AH64ID]

I have heard that.

My right pull is about the same with Toyo AT's (285/70/17), BFG KM2's (255/80/17), and OEM Michelin's. I didn't have it at first, it probably developed around 55K miles.

 

[rono]

Today, on the way to town 25 miles away, the passenger tie rod fell apart. Luckly, only going about 25 in town, wobble SCARED me. Was able to pull into a parking lot and call for tow. Got back to RV, got online and found this post.
Is the kit from moparsupercenter for the '03-'10 the one I need to replace everything on my '07?

 

[cerberusiam]

Is the kit from moparsupercenter for the '03-'10 the one I need to replace everything on my '07?

Yep, you can get all the parts, tie rods, pitman arm, and shock from there.

 

[brods]

So far no aftermarket availability for the right outer T (new style) rod end. This thread has info and part numbers, plus pictures of the ******* rod end on the T style: https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?236597-parts-search-help



These guys have good pricing and I've had no problems buying parts from them: http://www.oediscountparts.com/partlocator/index.cfm?siteid=215242



I switched to the T type and didn't notice any difference. Neither did I notice a difference switching back to the original Y linkage. With stock suspension travel I doubt toe changes enough with the Y type to matter. As for beef, the T linkage looks much beefier, but the hollow tube crimped on the solid bar is lame and detracts from an otherwise stout design.

 

[AH64ID]

What about the right tie rod end failures with the new style?

 

[brods]

See the thread link in my previous post. Cliff notes: Right outer end has side to side movement only, no front to back. It is not a normal tie rod end ball and socket. If the left outer end is not centered in its front to back movement then it will bind (and sometimes snap off) at the extreme range of travel (ie turning near full lock).

 

[cerberusiam]

What about the right tie rod end failures with the new style?

I think that is probably going to moot with t-type steering and larger joint. Now the joint is only moving in one plane instead of 2. It would have been nice if every joint was indivually replaceable but that would probably be too expensive and not fir wtiht eh planned obsolesence.

 

[AH64ID]

So be centering the right out joint during install then it shouldn't break?

I do plenty of slow full lock turns all year long on back roads a long ways from home, that would really **** me off if it broke.

 

[mwilson]

So be centering the right out joint during install then it shouldn't break?



I do plenty of slow full lock turns all year long on back roads a long ways from home, that would really **** me off if it broke.

From the pictures I have seen on here and the descriptions of the low speed failures I think you will be fine where you know going in what has to be done. .



It is a matter of habit with many front end techs to not even up the tie rods ends after an alignment. In their defense there was never a pressing need to do so.



Now with this new style of tie rod end contained on the Ram upgrade it is an absolute must for the ends to be in the same plane on the tie rod itself.



If a TDR member has an alignment performed after the steering upgrade the onus is going to be on that member to explain and then double check the tech's work before accepting the truck. This is new to everyone and it will take some time before the shops catch on IMHO.



Go get it done, I plan to when my steering linkage wears out.



Mike.

 

[Bob4x4]

I use a level app on my phone to get a good quick check that the ends are indeed parrellel and level

 

[AH64ID]

Is it obvious looking at an installed one if it's not centered?

What part are you making sure is level Bob?

 

[mwilson]

Is it obvious looking at an installed one if it's not centered?



What part are you making sure is level Bob?

The two items circled in red must be exactly on the same plane. Not our exact front axle but shows what I wanted to show.



Bob's little level app is a great solution for checking them out.

Mike.

 

[brods]

You can't center the right outer, it goes where it goes. The left one is the adjustable one that needs to be centered. Look at the pictures in the other thread and it is obvious.

 

[mwilson]

The two items circled in red must be exactly on the same plane. Not our exact front axle but shows what I wanted to show.



Bob's little level app is a great solution for checking them out.





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Mike.

Here is a better one...

Mike.

 

[BIGNASTY]

I use a level app on my phone to get a good quick check that the ends are indeed parrellel and level

With all the gizz-matchees in a PRO tool box the BEST YOU CAN DO IS A CELL PHONE APP!!!!!! Bob Please tell me you dont :-laf

 

[AH64ID]

Thanks guys, it's what I figured. . but you know what assuming gets you.