Competition Timing w/NOS?

[dougs455]

I was considering buying the NOS "02519" kit link and was thinking about my timing. I run a TTPM stacked with a PM3 Comp. I know the PM3 doesnt affect timing thats the only reason for keeping the TTPM. My water/meth can be shut off and that was my plan. Do you think too much timing will become a problem and if so should I drop the TTPM or am I being too cautious? I have read some bad reviews about stacking nos with water/meth so I will be running one or the other.

 

[Jetpilot]

The kit is too small for much HP gain... . What are your goals? Give me a call and I will be happy to talk nitrous with you.



Doug

 

[dougs455]

The kit is too small for much HP gain... .

I guess I was wrong when I thought 130 HP was alot.



The "02519 kit" from NOS comes with a variety of jet sizes (. 030-. 055) .

(A . 040 jet makes 125 hp in a stock 2004 4. 6L Cobra )



This is just a starter kit for me and will be upgraded as needed.

My main use will be street/strip use.

My truck smokes like a train if I make it so fuel is not an issue.



My question is..... Timing.

Is it going to be a problem running a timing box while using the NOS?

 

[Jetpilot]

From what I can see the nozzel is way too small. I am not sure of the line size but you want at least -6 line to the solenoid. I would recommend a . 125 solenoid a good shark nozzel and lots of jets. You should also use a boost switch along with a WOT switch for activation for safety.



Timing will not be a problem. Be sure and O-ring your head plus install studs and try and keep drive pressure low, your HX 35 pushing 40# is going to create a lot of drive pressure. Drive pressure kills headgaskets... ... .



The shop truck makes about 250 HP from nitrous so there is lots of power to be made... . Just be sure to set the truck up to run it.



Doug

 

[dougs455]

Be sure and O-ring your head plus install studs and try and keep drive pressure low, your HX 35 pushing 40# is going to create a lot of drive pressure. Drive pressure kills headgaskets... ... .

I'm not quite ready for that step. Waiting on funds for a 2nd turbo and will ring at the same time.

The shop truck makes about 250 HP from nitrous

WAY too much for what I'm looking for. 50-100 hp is fine. Just a little kick in the pants.



The kit consist of:

Table 2 NOS Universal Wet Kit 02519NOS Parts List

Item Description Quantity NOS P/N

(1) 4AN Bottle Nut Adapter 1 16220NOS

(2) Bottle Nut Teflon Washer 1 16210NOS

(3) #10 N2O Bottle 1 14745-TPINOS

(4) #10 Bottle Bracket Set 1 14125NOS

(5) Fan Spray Nozzle 1 13500NOS

(6) Fan Spray Nozzle Adapter 1 13715-SNOS

(7) Fan Spray Nozzle Adapter Nut 1 13713-SNOS

(8) Nitrous Solenoid 1 16045NOS

(9) 1/4” NPT x 4AN N2O Filter 1 15560NOS

(10) 2 ft. 3AN Hose (Blue) 1 15060-1NOS

(11) Bottle Blow Down Tube 1 16160NOS

(12) Solenoid Mounting Bracket w/ screws 1 16500NOS

(13) Flare Jets 6 13760-30,-35,-40,-45,-51,-55NOS

(14) 18ft. 4AN Hose (Blue) 1 15302NOS

(15) Microswitch 1 15640NOS

(16) Arming Switch 1 15602NOS

(17) Wiring Relay—30 AMP 1 15618NOS

(18) Harness for Wiring Relay with 15 AMP Fuse 1 15604-SNOS

(19) 1/16” NPT Pipe Tap 1 15990NOS



A boost switch is also on my list along with a possible blanket.

 

[KLockliear]

The HP ratings of what you will make with a gas motor and a diesel do not coincide exactly. NX says their . 088" jet should make around 225hp or so on a gas motor. In the diesels, assuming you have the fuel for that much, we've made about 160rwhp gain.



Most foggers run a -3AN line from the solenoid to the fogger. The -3AN line becomes the limitation of the system at around . 088" - . 090" jet. For most street trucks, 150 or so HP is plenty of gain, and having enough fuel for that much is right on the outside of daily driveability with a single turbo. This setup is what we include in our "Street Kit", which is all Nitrous Express parts.



One thing to remember is that nitrous delivery is very abrupt, and that instant spike in power is very hard on turbos. Realistically, with what you have in your sig line, the stock turbo is already way over it's head. If you hit that one with nitrous, I'd bet you'd blow it up pretty much instantly. Just going to a properly sized turbo at the power level you are at would add 30-50rwhp I'd bet. Just make sure you get a turbo that will handle a nitrous hit (or one with a warranty).

 

[dougs455]

Maybe it is time to stop putting off the twins.....

Its just a step that I'm not too informed on and cant seem to get the advice I'm looking for. Everyone has the setup I need and yet say "oh dont buy that one... this here is what you need". I've pushed my 35 hard enough I know but was hoping to get one last addon. Looks like NOS will sit on the back burner for a while till I come up with some acceptable boost. Thanks for saving me the trouble and tow bill. Doug

 

[KLockliear]

I'd say your first task should be to identify exactly how much power you are going for, and what you are going to use that power for. Twins will require the head studs and o-ringing mentioned above. Sticking with a single likely will not, depending on the combination you use.



For instance, a 2001 Dodge we used to have made 58xhp on #2, 740 with nitrous... single turbo, stock head gasket (in fact, the stock head had never been off) an stock head bolts. It can be done.

 

[COMP461]

There are many who don’t understand Nitrous, and are afraid of using it correctly. If you will think about nitrous as a second turbo, and its ability to aid in burning over fuel condition that causes high EGT’s then you will better understand the way it works. Just as putting a bigger turbo on a motor helps it to run coolers EGT’s nitrous also achieves this goal.

Nitrous give an enormous intercooling effect in that it is a cryogenic liquid when it is injected in to the intake track and by the law of latent heat transfer it adsorbs a great amount of the heat in the compressed air. This makes the air denser, and easer to push through the restrictive ports in diesel heads.



The trick to using nitrous is to use a variable nitrous controller to apply the right amount of nitrous as quickly as possible with out putting the flame out.



I would recommend NX or one of the vendors that they private label







and Keith is dead on that Turbo will not last one good hit with a good dose of nitrous



I would recommend a PHAT SHAFT turbo from Industrial injection, they seem to be leading the world is this new turbo development deal, and their turbo’s are bullet proof. Talk to Shane they are, the behind the scenes engineers for a good deal of the new turbo’s you are seeing out on the market today. I have seen first hand the depth of the knowledge and engineering skills, and the attention to detail that is being applied to my new turbo system.



http://www.industrialinjection.com/

 

[Sled Puller]

COMP, you should call Jetpilot, he will help you understand nitrous and how it is used on Diesels.



That just may give you the edge on... Edge!! Pun intended! I KILL me!!! :-laf

 

[jwilliams3]

Doesnt Edge have the fastest truck?

 

[Sled Puller]

World Domination, Justin, I read it in a magazine. COMPs only chance, if he actually shows up to race, is to get a good tune with his Nitrous, and make up for lack of Diesel HP. Jetpilot could help him a bunch.

 

[jwilliams3]

:-laf :-laf

Dont hold back Gene!!

 

[JFaulkner]

Sled, you and Justin need to ease up on Comp. a little. He's trying to become a nice guy. Look he only made ONE generalized statement in that post about how ignorant everyone else is. Bet his head hurts now from all that restraint. :-laf

 

[COMP461]

Sleddie, it sucks when you don't have a truck to work on , all you have the ability to do is pound keyboards , well here is a good shot of everything coming together on the truck that should break in to the sevens this year , and this is nitrous express thermal nuclear 4 stage , variable nitrous system

 

[RCenters]

alot to ask out of a single nozzel isnt it or is there more ?? y not a fogger setup ?

 

[Sled Puller]

That is really nice COMP, no go show boat comes to mind. Its almost as pretty as Edges. I'll be waiting!!

 

[COMP461]

That nozzle is the Nitrous Express SX2 with 4 orifices that are . 100. Its capable of flowing half a bottle in the motor in the 8 seconds on a run, not sure I will ever need that much, but it’s very progressive, with the boost sensing controller. The waste gate is needed to flow the enormous amount of exhaust gasses produced by the added nitrous and the air flow of the head. I’m just waiting on my cylinder head to get finished, Ray keeps tweaking it and finding more and more air flow.



Sleddie you’re just not used to seeing real race crafting. I finally have the resources and no meddling to keep me from doing this project right. The nitrous system has been in the works for a while, and is getting close to being available to the public

 

[jwilliams3]

Nice work on the engine greg.

But as far as innovation goes all I can see is a single turbo engine that will be drunk on nitrous.

 

[COMP461]

all that matters is the number on the score board , I hope I’m going in the right direction , but I’m leaving the turbo’s up to Shane at Industrial Injection . With the RPM performance data logger’s ability to read turbo speed, along with logging boost, drive pressure, 6 EGT’s and temps before and after the nitrous and water injection, we will try and make the power. DIESEL POWER is coming out to do a story on the build up and dyno of the motor, and it should be exciting, I’m predicting 1100 + hp and usable RPM’s over 5000 , with the ability to grind metal thru the traps at well over 6000 .

Heard that a major and fast Pro Street team has one of RPM’s loggers now and liked it so much there are now a dealer .