Toyo vs. Nitto

[Luke Warmwater]

You do not need E rated tires on a Cummins unless you are going with a smaller size. You do need load carrying capacity. If you look closely you will see the larger 315/75 D rated have a load range as high as an E rate 285. As far as wear my Nittos are toast at less than 20K. Those MT ATZs are the shizzola in my opinion. Go look at them in person and stand them beside the Nittos or the Toyos. Buy what looks best to you

 

[Cooker]

You do not need E rated tires on a Cummins unless you are going with a smaller size. You do need load carrying capacity. If you look closely you will see the larger 315/75 D rated have a load range as high as an E rate 285.

If you are towing heavy it would be advantageous to go with an E rated tire over a D rated tires. There is more to it than just the load rating in pounds.





As far as Nittos go, running empty mine were holding up very well. They started to show more wear than I would have like to see while towing. Overall I am still happy with them and I would not hesitate to purchase them again.

 

[Luke Warmwater]

If you are going to assert that there is more to it then you are obligated to explain your reasoning lol

 

[Cooker]

E rated tires can handle more air pressure than a D tire, typically 80 psi vs 65psi. More air pressure means that the tire will be firmer and more stable with less sidewall flex.



This applies when towing and is less significant when running empty.

 

[Luke Warmwater]

I think that is so they can achieve a similar load carrying capacity as a larger tire with less pressure. Who knows...

 

[Coolslice]

Guys I hate to sound like a dork, but I really appreciate all of your opinions and feedback. The other forums I'm on don't ever respond to anything I ask. I can't believe I put off joining here for so long.



Anyways, I'm still waiting to hear back for my tire dealer with a price on those MT's. As bad as I think these trucks look w/ the small stock wheels and tires, you can certainly save yourself a lot of time, money and frustration if you stay stock.

 

[Warpig]

Balance beads!!

I'm in a jam with my current tire situation. I have 18" rims with Nitto grapplers on there right now. I don't really care for them due to the fact I can't get them balanced well. On the other hand, they are easy to come by and in the world of 18" tires are relatively inexpensive. I have a plug in one and I'm getting ready to go on vacation, so I would like new tires before hand. I could get Toyo's in the same size, but they look almost like the exact same tire to me, and they cost more. Does anyone have any wisdom on Toyo's. I need to do something soon. Thanks, Ryan.

Coolslice, If your only concern is tire balance then get beads. There are several products out there with many TDR members swearing by them. As far as I'm concerned they all work. Since I've installed them on Toyo 285's my tires are wearing perfectly, and the ride is outstanding.

I was sceptical until I tryed them.

Tire balancing??... ... ... . not anymore!!!



Tim W.

 

[Lorenz]

As far as Nittos go, running empty mine were holding up very well. They started to show more wear than I would have like to see while towing. Overall I am still happy with them and I would not hesitate to purchase them again.

What kind of miles are you getting out of the nittos? my stock BFG's are at 40k and a little more than half worn. Im good about keeping them aired up, but rotated them only once when the fronts started to scale from braking.



How about an estimate on the life expectancy of the nitto or toyos. 40k, 60k, 70k?

 

[CSilkowski]

What kind of miles are you getting out of the nittos? my stock BFG's are at 40k and a little more than half worn. Im good about keeping them aired up, but rotated them only once when the fronts started to scale from braking.



How about an estimate on the life expectancy of the nitto or toyos. 40k, 60k, 70k?

Mine are too new to report on longevity. Only about 10k so far and seem to wearing fine (w/o rotating).

 

[pwerwagn]

My nittos are wearing well also. However, the only concern I see with the nittos is life expentacy. That seems to be everyones complaint. Im used to having Boggers or swampers, so Im sure the Nittos will not dissapoint me. I would doubt 40K, though, from what I've heard. I am way more impressed with them than the BFG A/T, however. smoother, balance easier,etc.

 

[MickeysCummins]

I had a set of the nittos on my first ram and they wore so fast, they sucked off roading, sucked in the rain, and just were very bad tires. i will never ever purchase a set of nittos for a truck ever again.

 

[pwerwagn]

That is exactly how I feel about the BFG A/T.

 

[Spooled-up]

Luke Warmwater,

I was down looking at tires to replace my Nittos and they had just got a set of these in. They are by far and away a better looking tire in my opinion than either the Nittos or Toyos.

Man, I'm glad you found this! Seems like MT has a bunch of tires in the 35" size that are load range E. They all seem to have the same weight ratings, which would lead me to believe that they are all basically the same tire, just different tread patterns. Where did you find these? I've called a couple of places, and they aren't due out until sometime this spring.

 

[Coonrod]

I have had good luck out my Nitto's. I have 38,000 on them now and they are bald. I have a set of Toyo M/T's setting at the tire shop. They will be mounted when my lift kit comes in.

 

[Luke Warmwater]

Man, I'm glad you found this! Seems like MT has a bunch of tires in the 35" size that are load range E. They all seem to have the same weight ratings, which would lead me to believe that they are all basically the same tire, just different tread patterns. Where did you find these? I've called a couple of places, and they aren't due out until sometime this spring.

Won't help you much in Hoser Land but they have limit sizes in stock at Performance Tire in Denver.



Where is Lawrenceburg? I grew up in Spencer before moving to CO 20 years ago.

 

[Spooled-up]

Lawrenceburg is a suburb of Cincinnati, OH.

Thanks for the info.



-Dave

 

[kentkroeker]

Gents,



Toyo and Nitto are two different animals. There are a lot of different models to compare and comparing one manufacturers M/T to anothers A/T is kind of unfair.



I have a lot of personal experience with Toyo tires, both M/T and A/T and a fair amount with the Nittos as well. I think the Nitto A/T (Terra Grappler) is far superior to their "Mud Grappler. " I know several guys who have used the Terra Grappler extensively in Baja with great success.



KORE is currently equipping dealer trucks at the showroom level - with our wheels, suspension and Toyo M/T tires. Toyos are selling so well they've been kind of hard to come by, so one of our Dodge dealers recently tried some Nitto M/T's on KORE wheels. They were so unimpressed they just ordered all of our remaining Toyos - just to keep on hand. The parts manager said, "Those Nittos look aggressive but they were noisy, rode harsh and were hard to balance. "



I don't want to start an argument. Not everyone may concur with these findings concerning the "Nitto Mud Grappler," but this is what the parts guy at the Dodge dealer told me - verbatim.



Basically the Toyo M/T is a "function" tire designed for hard use and the Nitto M/T is a "form" tire designed to appeal aesthetically to a certain genre of our culture. I mean, look at the Nitto Mud Grappler - it's got some funky reptile-looking skin on the side and some weird tread that looks like a dinosaur back or something...



The Toyo M/T tread is computer-designed purely for function - it grips so hard under acceleration that for the Parker 425 Steinberger had to shave them down for fear that his Trophy truck would lunch the transmission. In addition he ran 15 psi for the entire race! Unbelievable performance from an off-the-shelf tire - or any tire for that matter.



KORE sells the stuff that KORE has good experience with.



I think the Toyo M/T may be the finest multi-purpose tire ever built. I have literally entrusted my life to Toyo tires - while racing during the Baja 500 and 1000. The Class One race car in the link below does close to 140 mph - in the dirt. I have been in the cockpit of this vehicle, ten feet in the air - the GPS in front of me read 107 mph. Situations like this impose incredible stress on tires. If the tire says, "no mas," at the wrong moment, that could be the end of you. For serious racing, when everything is on the line, not just winning, but even personal safety - I wouldn't run any other tire than an E rated Toyo. Period. Think rubber like this will work OK for towing the family fifth wheel down the Grapevine?



http://koreperformance.com/tires.htm



The only thing I don't like about Toyo is that they're not made in the USA. However, Toyo is building a Stateside factory that will be operational next year - then that will no longer be a nagging thorn in my side.



Hope this sheds some light on the issue.



Best Regards,



Kent Kroeker

KORE

 

[Coolslice]

Well, I need a 33" tire in an AT design for an 18" wheel. The Nittos I have are junk. They look too much like the Toyo AT's for me to justify trying to go that route with for what looks to be nearly the same tire. I am toying with the idea of just putting my stock wheels back on to end my headache. I was planning on getting at set of the Mickey T. ATZ's, but I guess they are following the trend of showing all these new tires months before they are due out for sale. I'd love to have a set of the KORE/Weld wheels w/ some 35" tires and a lift but I'm not going to spend 10 large to do it. Ain't no deserts in Kentucky.

 

[Greg Boardman-RIP]

Well, I need a 33" tire in an AT design for an 18" wheel. The Nittos I have are junk. They look too much like the Toyo AT's for me to justify trying to go that route with for what looks to be nearly the same tire. I am toying with the idea of just putting my stock wheels back on to end my headache. I was planning on getting at set of the Mickey T. ATZ's, but I guess they are following the trend of showing all these new tires months before they are due out for sale. I'd love to have a set of the KORE/Weld wheels w/ some 35" tires and a lift but I'm not going to spend 10 large to do it. Ain't no deserts in Kentucky.

lets see here;



Pace system:1200

Four Welds: 2000

Four Toyos: 1400





For a grand total:4600? That cant be right? I though you said 10 Large? Ten Thousand? Wow thats less than half of that.



Just kidding,

Greg

 

[Lorenz]

And here I thought the discussion was about the AT only. If you run mudders of any brand you almost have to expect a short life.



Who has the most miles out of a set of toyo or nitto ***AT***?