Truck "Making" Oil

[Turbo Terry]

Only at ro keep a dealer or a Indy from over fill is only give them 2.5 gallons then or do it yourself I guess

 

[AH64ID]

Only at ro keep a dealer or a Indy from over fill is only give them 2.5 gallons then or do it yourself I guess

Lol, no… couldn’t be more wrong.

Give them 2.5 gallons and you’re likely going to get a 1/2 gallon of something you didn’t provide.

 

[Turbo Terry]

Not if I tell them up front

 

[Turbo Terry]

I drove about 200 miles really bad dust this summer in the northern part of the Yukon . I knew it and just changed the air filter today Something I can still do . So when I do my required oil and filter change and fuel filters in November I will tell them that I have just changed the air filter not to bother opening up the box. This is not a dealer but a diesel Indy. If I can’t communicate my needs and wishes to him that I’m paying him to do for me then I will find someone else . And he will NOT overfill the oil because he will only get 2.5 gallons and the reason why he will know and I will top it up with my oil as required to the right level . What could be wrong with that??

 

[Timd32]

My '22 is out of the "Safe" area. It's above, but from what I read and what is here its allowed and within the limits. Call it 9k miles on the truck.

How high is too high? Is out of the "safe" really "not safe", if they thought they needed to add a level "not safe" since it's allowed to make oil, why don't they do that? I'm sure it's OK to be where I'm at and there is no harm to anything, but who knows.

Overall performance would come to mind being overfilled and too much fuel in oil are both issues you want to track for sure.

I try to check the oil in the AM after sitting at night, it's as level as it will ever be anywhere else and it's cold.

I was going to do the short break-in oil change interval but I really did not have the time to do it and again nothing calls for a short first oil change that I found, it might be in there I did not see it, check every 3k miles is what I found change at 1yr or 15k miles was the first interval. I'm not saying that's the best practice at all.

Folks on here would know the answer to this, IDK......Are fleets are dumping oil in the first 500 miles of operation, or short of the listed 15k?

I think it would have been great to be able to do it and if time permitted I would have, the total cost of ownership of these you are never going to win and that extra maintenance will not even be a blip on the radar cost wise per mile and the sort. There are benefits to dumping the oil and starting fresh.

But it's also why I keep an eye on the regen status to see what that thing is up too. I think that could add to my total, but I never thought I needed to remove any oil either to get it back exactly into the safe zone, kinda is what it is.

So my suggestions based on what I now know for anyone getting a new anything check it when you get it, the next day after sitting overnight and see where it came from the dealer.

You not be able to check it at the dealer at pick up most likely could have been moved or running recently. Mine was anyway, it was super hot already and the dealer lot is a massive hill you park on. There is some level area at the front and side lots. And of course in the bays.

Then if you can swing the early OCI do it and set it where you like it on the safe zone.

If we only would have switched over to the measurement in liters it would probably be much easier to say add 11.3562 liters to make it simple.

 

[AH64ID]

@Timd32 There is no requirement for an early oil change and most folks don’t do it.

I personally still like an early change for a couple of reasons. First I didn’t want to go thru the winter with 10w-30 in the engine, which was good because I saw multiple starts cold soaked below 0°F. I also like to get a better oil filter than the mopar one on the engine, especially when they are new. Lastly I still think it’s a good practice, thou there isn’t any evidence that it’s beneficial.

Just check it the same every time and you can track any potential changes to the oil level. Overnight puts extra oil in the pan from the filter, but you have the least amount of thermal expansion to deal with.

Waiting 30 minutes and checking likely has more oil in the filter but you have thermal expansion to deal with.

Pick your poison, it’s a pretty big safe area and IMO if it’s at the top, or slightly over, after sitting overnight then you’re fine since the filter isn’t full.

I drove about 200 miles really bad dust this summer in the northern part of the Yukon . I knew it and just changed the air filter today Something I can still do . So when I do my required oil and filter change and fuel filters in November I will tell them that I have just changed the air filter not to bother opening up the box. This is not a dealer but a diesel Indy. If I can’t communicate my needs and wishes to him that I’m paying him to do for me then I will find someone else . And he will NOT overfill the oil because he will only get 2.5 gallons and the reason why he will know and I will top it up with my oil as required to the right level . What could be wrong with that??

If you don’t trust your mechanic to get 3 gallons of oil and change the oil correctly then you need to find a new mechanic. There is too much wrong with what you’re saying.

 

[BigPapa]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but as long as you're in the "SAFE" range when checking oil, all is well, whether you check it after shut down and wait 30 minutes or sitting over night, correct? There's absolutely no need to keep it at the top of the "SAFE" zone.

 

[sag2]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but as long as you're in the "SAFE" range when checking oil, all is well, whether you check it after shut down and wait 30 minutes or sitting over night, correct? There's absolutely no need to keep it at the top of the "SAFE" zone.

That is correct, safe is safe. And for those worried about the oil level being too high, pull the dipstick when it's running and there may not even be oil on the stick. I check my oil a couple times between oil changes at 15k because it never has needed any oil between changes.

 

[Turbo Terry]

Please note that my picture of the dip stick shows the level with only 2,5 gallons. When the dealer dumped all three gallons it was almost to the top of the yellow plastic. Way over full. Dealers and Indy’s don’t stand there and check oil hot /cold etc like a private guy. They dump and go. They only get 2.5 and a reason why

 

[Turbo Terry]

Also I was told /taught that way over full was bad also . Funny I have older woman and young men come to ask me how to check their oil quite a lot. Check engine light goes on . There’s not even any oil on the stick at all duh. A while back while waiting for my wife at Costco I watched to young men put air in a low tire on their car. One had the hose the other the gauge. They overfilled it and wanted to let some air out but both of them didn’t know how to do it.

 

[Timd32]

I say run it.

Mine is not in the Safe but I feel safe so there's that.

I have zero worries where mine is. I did not put it where it is, so that would be pretty clear to folks if something was to happen.

This was drive 20 miles shut it off 4hr ago.

Tried it twice same results, no immediate plans of lowering this level at this time.

 

[BigPapa]

Another question, how many times are you pulling your dipstick?

If it's been siting over night, pull it and look at it, that's where it is. If you pull it, wipe it off, stick it back in, and pull it again, you've pulled oil into the tube and that will skew your results.

 

[Timd32]

Another question, how many times are you pulling your dipstick?

If it's been siting over night, pull it and look at it, that's where it is. If you pull it, wipe it off, stick it back in, and pull it again, you've pulled oil into the tube and that will skew your results.

That's on me then.

Here is after an hour of sitting since the last pic.

Will try tomorrow AM.

 

[BigPapa]

That's on me then.

That wasn't aimed at you, just in general.

 

[Timd32]

That wasn't aimed at you, just in general.

It made a distinct difference with just an hour of sitting in my case. Still above the safe. But I really don't think anything what so ever is wrong with my truck or have any worries where I have found it.

It's a great point. Go back to basics for sure at times, pictures don't lie on this for my exact truck.

It's good to have a process and stick to that when doing this chase the tail deals.

 

[AH64ID]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but as long as you're in the "SAFE" range when checking oil, all is well, whether you check it after shut down and wait 30 minutes or sitting over night, correct? There's absolutely no need to keep it at the top of the "SAFE" zone.

Generally, but immediately after shutdown it’s not accurate.

Please note that my picture of the dip stick shows the level with only 2,5 gallons. When the dealer dumped all three gallons it was almost to the top of the yellow plastic. Way over full. Dealers and Indy’s don’t stand there and check oil hot /cold etc like a private guy. They dump and go. They only get 2.5 and a reason why

There is something wrong with your mechanics change procedure, your motor, or your check method.

If you truly believe he doesn’t let it drain long enough talk to him about it or find a new mechanic. He’s not worth your time if he can’t properly change oil.

 

[BigPapa]

Generally, but immediately after shutdown it’s not accurate.

Just to clarify, I said shut it down and wait 30 minutes, not immediately.

 

[Timd32]

So this is a '22, 9181 miles, factory/dealer fill, no changes by me along the way.

I don't see much change from the 1hr sit and check vs the overnight check. (Why 1hr, no reason thats when I read the post saying "your doing it wrong!") I bet the 30 minute wait would be similar.

The simple wait, pull and check for me is really the way to go.

The bottom pic is all the stuff from the tube as Big Papa clued me into, stop doing that.

 

[skorski]

confused Why are you telling me we are over filling with oil When the book from dodge tells me three gallons is the proper amount ? When I drain one quart one quart goes into filter and eleven into the sump. why is that over filling I also asked whatdoes the air filter have to do with making oil ????

 

[Timd32]

I would say my '22 makes some oil, but not worried about it as of now. Probably just change the oil and keep better track of it.

I think it's the Regen Frequency on mine, darn thing just did another one on the way to work, I thought let me let it finish 100% again, that was a mistake took a lot longer then usual.

That's my 4th this month, I started tracking the hours and miles just in case. But just really letting it do its thing right now.

Maybe it's normal, but it used to be every 24hr Regen for say the first 8500k miles. Then something has shifted to it thinking its needs to keep doing them. I will start another thread on that topic if it continues.

Really just wanted to show folks who might be seeing an increase in oil how another newer truck is measuring at different wait times after shutdown. All pretty much the same IMO level wise.

Here is the final from me on the checking the oil level 30min, 1hr, overnight, each was after an individual decent drive cycle then just pull and check.