Competition turbo help

[patcarman]

i posted this before,but was hoping for more feedback. i have a 2001 dodge 24 v,with a vanakin plug in box,a 135 hp blue chip box. im doing the transmission as we speek. and im thinking about 120 or 140 hp injecters. my?. . i have the stock hy 35 and i have a large htb4c hloset(for 855 cummins)it has a 5 and a half in wheel. with it set up as a twin configuration do u think a 24 valve could spin it. i used to have a hoped up pete and this turbo cost almost 2 grand. i was going to sell it but then thought maybe i could use it. i dont pull and never raced the truck but i would like to make alot of hp then start playing with it... i would love the feed back if anyone knows anything about these turbos.....

 

[J.R. Adkins]

i posted this before,but was hoping for more feedback. i have a 2001 dodge 24 v,with a vanakin plug in box,a 135 hp blue chip box. im doing the transmission as we speek. and im thinking about 120 or 140 hp injecters. my?. . i have the stock hy 35 and i have a large htb4c hloset(for 855 cummins)it has a 5 and a half in wheel. with it set up as a twin configuration do u think a 24 valve could spin it. i used to have a hoped up pete and this turbo cost almost 2 grand. i was going to sell it but then thought maybe i could use it. i dont pull and never raced the truck but i would like to make alot of hp then start playing with it... i would love the feed back if anyone knows anything about these turbos.....

Your stock turbo and the ht4c wont work well with each other. You would need to change your small turbo and do some other mods for that setup to work. E-mail me and we can discuss your options.



J. R.

 

[MCummings]

Only 120HP injectors?



The 4c will want alot more fuel.



I would run 12-180 HP injectors, like a 4. 8 Mach injector on the street. and run a 300HP injector at the track, sled pulling, or for the weekend.



Look at upgrading your Blue Chip to a Redline box.



I've run a Lil '55 and a Big Air. They 4C is capable of pushing some serious air. More air than your motor will want. They are great turbo's, pretty dam strong. I've popped boots several times at 90PSI, and they both held up fine. They only thing they didn't like were rocks.



As far as your 24V power, run a big injector, a FASS, and a couple tricks will have that motor running real nice.



Merrick

 

[patcarman]

so what do u gize think it would take to push it, maybe a 55 in front of it... . mmm

 

[MCummings]

A '40 or Lil '55 would push that 4c real good.



A 35 barely handles a 3B. A 40 will run a 3B, or a 4b.



If you are set on running the 4c, think about getting a modified '55 to pair with it.





Before you try to bolt that turbo up to your truck think about what else you will need.



a '55-4c combo can make over 100PSI boost pretty easy, turned down 80psi is a gear shift away.



To hold anything over 50psi you'll need headstuds, over 60psi, you'll need o-rings, around 70psi, you should ditch the o-rings, and get fire ring'd. If you want to go over 70-75psi, you'll have to get the 14mm head studs, and bigger fire rings.



I would suggest selling that turbo for as much as you can, then get a twin kit like J. R's, and 12mm Head studs. Run a '40 on top, and a big 3B on the bottom. Over 600rwhp has repeatadly done with a '40/3b twin setup.



I am running a HX-35/12 - 3b/22 twin setup and am at 540rwhp, with o-rings, and 12mm studs.



If you really are set on using the 4c, get a '55, a twin kit, studs, and get your head fire ringed. It's not too hard to pull the motor. Get it drilled to fit 14mm studs. Much better safe than sorry.





Merrick

 

[JDailey]

You two should do an infomercial! lmao!

 

[Sled Puller]

A Run a '40 on top, and a big 3B on the bottom. Over 600rwhp has repeatadly done with a '40/3b twin setup.



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Yea, and at Scheids event,it will also get about 50 feet put on you out of first place!! :{

 

[jwilliams3]

Gene,

The guy that beat you in the red sport(2nd place) was that a 24v or 12v?

it sure did smoke alot!

 

[Sled Puller]

I'm pretty sure it was a 12. Wade is an excellent body man, don't go by what front end is on his truck!

 

[bgilbert]

http://www.diesel-central.com/photo...allery/view_user_ads.asp?User_ID=99&Ad_ID=121.



Try that link, the other site, KTA user id, he used a B1 on top of a hx60. Don't know what the 60 is like compared to the 4c though, which is bigger anyone?

 

[NPloysa]

135 HP Blue Chip? I only got the 120 HP version! Are you sure you don't mean 120 HP? The FMS, right?

 

[MCummings]

You two should do an infomercial! lmao!

LOL. Maybe a good idea,, heh.



I've used alot of J. R's stuff. He is only one I've dealt with who is running really big injectors and turbos. I know Schieds, Buddha Power, and Enterprise run just as big stuff, and alot of stuff that's alot bigger, but, I've talked to J. R. a ton, and consider him a great friend.

I've used his stuff for the last year or so, and it's worked great.



I can't talk about Schieds, Haisley, or EE, because I have not dealt with them, and when I have tried, they are hard to talk to.



patcarman,

Be sure you get that motor setup for the boost you want to run.



Nick, maybe the redline Blue Chip is 135HP?



HTH,

Merrick

 

[Sled Puller]

I thought JRs turbos came from Joe Dailey?

 

[patcarman]

npoloysa, the new bluechip fms i just got from debbie at sheids is 135 hp. i was told that anyway,she said it was the newest version.

 

[J.R. Adkins]

I thought JRs turbos came from Joe Dailey?

Joe turned me on to a guy that he had used. I tried him for a while. He did not want to step up and try some of my ideas so I went another way. Damn good thing to!!

Yep, those are some goofy rules. The whole no adapter plate rule is stupid. Trying run a big cold wheel with a hot wheel stuffed in a bolt on housing is a disaster. We've been through several thousand dollars of chargers this year because of this rule. Limit the cold wheel size only!

Looks to me that Joe had a hard way to go last season with turbos. I only had one customer lose a turbo this past year. EXCEPT FOR MERRICK AND HIS ROCKS.



J. R.

 

[TravisG]

I wonder who that could have been?

 

[JDailey]

JR-You are right about our former turbo guy. He was the best in his prime. Too bad he isn't 20 years younger! We not only grenaded his chargers last year, but one's from two other reputable builders. You only lost one charger? That's great. But... I don't remember getting beat by any of your customers??

 

[J.R. Adkins]

JR-You are right about our former turbo guy. He was the best in his prime. Too bad he isn't 20 years younger! We not only grenaded his chargers last year, but one's from two other reputable builders. You only lost one charger? That's great. But... I don't remember getting beat by any of your customers??

#4 and #7 are customer's of mine. But I did not see your name in front of either one of them.



SCHEIDS

8000# Street Sat - Results



Driver Name YR/Make Notes Distance

1 Roger Staley 98 Dodge London OH 314

2 George Peterson 95 Dodge Shelbyville, KY 305. 05

3 Jeff Stothkamp 92 Dodge Wildwood Mo 305. 02

4 Jimmy Dale Smith 02 Dodge Hostonville, KY 303

5 Luke Thomas 94 Dodge Brazil IN 298. 1

6 Chris Harness 01 Dodge Clayton IN 298

7 Rebecca Gullett 02 Dodge Villa Ridge Mo 296. 09

8 Terry Coppess 98 Dodge Elwood IN 296. 03

9 Todd Cox 96 dodge Tilton IL 295. 08

10 Brad Holder 02 Ddoge Russelville, Mo 295. 06

 

[Sled Puller]

JR, you just posted Saturdays qualifying results. here is the finals.

Driver Name



1

Jeff Stothkamp



92 Dodge



Wildwood Mo



333. 08



2

Terry Coppess



98 Dodge



Elwood IN



329. 1



3

Roger Straley



98 Dodge



London OH



328. 03



4

Jimmy Dale Smith



02 Dodge



Hostonville, KY



327. 11



5

Scott Amos



95 Dodge



Muncie IN



324. 06



6

Chris Harness



01 Dodge



Clayton IN



323. 06



7

Rebecca Gullett



02 Dodge



Villa Ridge Mo



323



8

Kevin Cole



02 Ddoge



Ballwin Mo



319. 02



9

Luke Thomas



94 Dodge



Brazil IN



311. 07



10

Kevin Reum



00 Dodge



Farmland IN



306. 09



11

Bill Heyen



Dodge



Gillespie IL



306. 03



12

Chris Cracraft



98 Dodge



Cynthiana KY



306. 01



13

Michael Tomac



02 Chevy



Caledonia, Mi



301. 07



14

Craig Severson







Lancaster OH



301. 05



15

Brett Krobeth







Nazareth PA



298. 11



16

Dawn Rudolph



01 Dodge



Shelburn IN



293. 03



17

Craig Mcelfresh



03 Chevy



Rushville Mo



291



18

Eric Johnson



01 Dodge



Paris, KY



288. 07



19

George Peterson



95 Dodge



Shelbyville, KY



284. 07



20

Evan Davis



04 Chevy



Leesburg Oh



281. 03



21

Calvin Miller



Dodge



Guys Mills PA



244. 11



22

Clint Ormister



01 Chevy



Paris IL



232. 04



23

Carl Sugg



97 Dodge



Marion In



13. 03



24

Kevin Eickenberry



02 GMC



New Lebanon, OH



0



25

Brad Holder



02 Ddoge



Russelville, Mo



0



26

Todd Cox

 

[J.R. Adkins]

Thanks Gene.