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SHyans said:
thanks for the heads up on the program.
well i watched it. i guess i was impresed, just not with what i have been hearing about banks lately. was that an ATS exhaust manifold they used? i didn't see anything on trucks about the twins.
SDurgin said:
yeah , it looked like an ATS manifold . Banks has gotten some bad press recently mostly due to customer service or lack of according to some of the posts I've read .
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I found her intriguing…errrr…. the blonde…. errr…the show intriguing. Yeah…. the show. Nice to see someone offer a variable turbo for our trucks. I'd like to get my hands on one of those intercoolers. However, I'm still trying to figure out how they are getting that 05 to 500HP and 1000ft lbs of torque with just the 6-Gun/Speed Loader and bolt on parts. They said that twice. Shiny new parts are cool, but that just plain ain't gonna happen. I'm not even sure those parts would get you close to that at the crank. That is the same as saying add a RAMifier and a turbo and it may be hot, but you will be at 500hp/1000tq. Grossly misrepresented…. and then to insinuate that at 500hp and 1000tq just a new converter is all the trans needs to live a happy life. More Banks hype I guess. Nice show, but for those in the know, a little embarrassing for PeterT I would think.
Did you notice the size of the exhaust outlet on that turbo? Had to be 2 1/2 to 3 inches in diameter. Tiny. What's up with that.
Did you notice the size of the exhaust outlet on that turbo? Had to be 2 1/2 to 3 inches in diameter. Tiny. What's up with that.
I would think they would have a more extreme program for the speedloader/6 gun with the new turbo. That would explain 500 horsepower.
AK RAM,
The point of the story is that when you have airflow, you can add fuel to it and make power. Airflow is more than just boost, it is also about density. I don’t see what I have to be embarrassed about. 500 HP/1000 lb-ft is not all that extreme. The Sidewinder Dakota made 735 HP/1300 lb-ft, with a similar turbo. That engine was ice-water intercooled and had a better cylinder head which helps account for the extra 235 HP. Gale said on the show that the added air density from the airflow parts allows for a 30-40% increase in power AT THE SAME EGT. That is the message. Anybody can make power, but if you want reliable power without tearing things up, you MUST have air density.
You may have gathered from what you saw that “at 500hp and 1000tq just a new converter is all the trans needs to live a happy life” but that was not the point. You have to admit that the torque converter is definitely the starting point. Incidentally we have not been able to slip that converter yet at those power levels.
I understand that what you saw was “hype” because you along with others on this site will always take a negative perspective on Banks, and that’s OK, you are entitled to your opinions. But the information that was presented on the show, specifically the need for airflow to properly make power, is a legitimate message.
Peter Treydte
Banks Power
The point of the story is that when you have airflow, you can add fuel to it and make power. Airflow is more than just boost, it is also about density. I don’t see what I have to be embarrassed about. 500 HP/1000 lb-ft is not all that extreme. The Sidewinder Dakota made 735 HP/1300 lb-ft, with a similar turbo. That engine was ice-water intercooled and had a better cylinder head which helps account for the extra 235 HP. Gale said on the show that the added air density from the airflow parts allows for a 30-40% increase in power AT THE SAME EGT. That is the message. Anybody can make power, but if you want reliable power without tearing things up, you MUST have air density.
You may have gathered from what you saw that “at 500hp and 1000tq just a new converter is all the trans needs to live a happy life” but that was not the point. You have to admit that the torque converter is definitely the starting point. Incidentally we have not been able to slip that converter yet at those power levels.
I understand that what you saw was “hype” because you along with others on this site will always take a negative perspective on Banks, and that’s OK, you are entitled to your opinions. But the information that was presented on the show, specifically the need for airflow to properly make power, is a legitimate message.
Peter Treydte
Banks Power
so how much are we talking here?
Guys don't run Peter off.
If he stays a while he might even learn something.
Guys you have to remember he is here cause this is his job.
Give him a break he is doing his job. He might be able to provide us with some useful information.
Peter you think 735hp was a mile stone, how about double that?
http://www.atsdiesel.com/Video/Muncie04/Kent_Pulls_A1_20040608_1.MOV
If he stays a while he might even learn something.
Guys you have to remember he is here cause this is his job.
Give him a break he is doing his job. He might be able to provide us with some useful information.
Peter you think 735hp was a mile stone, how about double that?
http://www.atsdiesel.com/Video/Muncie04/Kent_Pulls_A1_20040608_1.MOV
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I would agree that some here are turned off on Banks. But don't forget there are also many others that are not. I can't put the product/company down cuz I have not purchased any but I will say that I get allot of useful data from TDR and appreciate your willingness to post here. ALL performance manufactures should do the same. I say turn the other cheek and keep the info coming.PeterT said:
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Quote:
"I understand that what you saw was "hype" because you along with others
on this site will always take a negative perspective on Banks, and that's OK,
you are entitled to your opinions. But the information that was presented
on the show, specifically the need for airflow to properly make power, is
a legitimate message.
Peter Treydte
Banks Power
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Peter:
FWIW, alot of the "negative perspective" towards Banks is brought on
by your company itself!!! Examples???
1. ) Your recent ad in many of the 4WD magazines shows your "Banks Six-Gun Speedloader" and makes comparisons to some of your competitors such as TST. You show TST with nine (9) years of experience with diesel
performance! WRONG Peter!!! Mark Chapple (owner of TST) has OVER
thirty (30) years of experience in the diesel industry with alot of that
experience working for Cummins as an Engineer!! I guess Gale or his
R&D crew for advertising should do their homework before they post
an ad like that.
2. ) In July 2003, you debuted your "Banks Sidewinder LSR Truck" at the
ATS Truckfest Rally held at Bandimere Speedway just outside Denver,
Colorado to drag race it in an exhibition against the Scott Bentz Cummins
Diesel Dragster. (BTW,... ... the Scott Bentz Dragster beat your Sidewinder
truck pretty handidly!!) Gale Banks called Clint Cannon @ ATS before that event and had them build a complete Stage IV ATS TripleLok Transmission
for your truck so it could be drag raced without the "delay" of the manual
you had in it for the LSR run. I was at that rally and your own pit crew
that day wouldn't even admit it was an ATS Transmission even though
the thing was painted purple!!! I know because I looked under the truck!!
When I asked your crew "what kind of automatic transmission are you guys
running they replied "It's a Banks!" Yeah, right... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
Now I see your new "Banks High Performance Torque Converter" which
was displayed on the "Extreme 4X4 Show" which by the way showed
to be a "multi-disc with a billet cover. " To be honest with you, it looked
ALOT like the ATS TripleLok Converter with the exception that the discs
looked to have "round tabs" rather than the square tabs that Clint @ ATS
designed and I believe has a "patent pending. " We hear that "Pro-Torque"
in New York builds your torque converters, is that right????
3. ) I personally know one of your customers who experienced an engine
failure in his 2004 Dodge CTD CR last year about this time up in Indiana/
Illinois while running your Banks Six-Gun w/Speedloader. Specifically,
the #6 piston was badly scored and you guys (so far) have refused
to help him. I won't get any deeper into this because I believe it is
still in litigation, but,... ... ... ... . your own ad says; "the Banks Six Gun
is the upgrade needed for BIG horespower and torque gains, matched
with comprehensive airflow improvements to keep your engine and
transmission cool while you're smokin' your buddies. " I guess that
Six Gun didn't keep the engine too cool in this case I mention huh??
Peter, I know of more incidents but that is enough for now. I think
you get the idea. As you said yourself; "you (us) are entitled to our
opinions. " You got that right, but in my personal case my opinions
are a result of what I have personally seen your company do over
the last few years.
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John_P
Quote:
"I understand that what you saw was "hype" because you along with others
on this site will always take a negative perspective on Banks, and that's OK,
you are entitled to your opinions. But the information that was presented
on the show, specifically the need for airflow to properly make power, is
a legitimate message.
Peter Treydte
Banks Power
____________________________________________________________
Peter:
FWIW, alot of the "negative perspective" towards Banks is brought on
by your company itself!!! Examples???
1. ) Your recent ad in many of the 4WD magazines shows your "Banks Six-Gun Speedloader" and makes comparisons to some of your competitors such as TST. You show TST with nine (9) years of experience with diesel
performance! WRONG Peter!!! Mark Chapple (owner of TST) has OVER
thirty (30) years of experience in the diesel industry with alot of that
experience working for Cummins as an Engineer!! I guess Gale or his
R&D crew for advertising should do their homework before they post
an ad like that.
2. ) In July 2003, you debuted your "Banks Sidewinder LSR Truck" at the
ATS Truckfest Rally held at Bandimere Speedway just outside Denver,
Colorado to drag race it in an exhibition against the Scott Bentz Cummins
Diesel Dragster. (BTW,... ... the Scott Bentz Dragster beat your Sidewinder
truck pretty handidly!!) Gale Banks called Clint Cannon @ ATS before that event and had them build a complete Stage IV ATS TripleLok Transmission
for your truck so it could be drag raced without the "delay" of the manual
you had in it for the LSR run. I was at that rally and your own pit crew
that day wouldn't even admit it was an ATS Transmission even though
the thing was painted purple!!! I know because I looked under the truck!!
When I asked your crew "what kind of automatic transmission are you guys
running they replied "It's a Banks!" Yeah, right... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
Now I see your new "Banks High Performance Torque Converter" which
was displayed on the "Extreme 4X4 Show" which by the way showed
to be a "multi-disc with a billet cover. " To be honest with you, it looked
ALOT like the ATS TripleLok Converter with the exception that the discs
looked to have "round tabs" rather than the square tabs that Clint @ ATS
designed and I believe has a "patent pending. " We hear that "Pro-Torque"
in New York builds your torque converters, is that right????
3. ) I personally know one of your customers who experienced an engine
failure in his 2004 Dodge CTD CR last year about this time up in Indiana/
Illinois while running your Banks Six-Gun w/Speedloader. Specifically,
the #6 piston was badly scored and you guys (so far) have refused
to help him. I won't get any deeper into this because I believe it is
still in litigation, but,... ... ... ... . your own ad says; "the Banks Six Gun
is the upgrade needed for BIG horespower and torque gains, matched
with comprehensive airflow improvements to keep your engine and
transmission cool while you're smokin' your buddies. " I guess that
Six Gun didn't keep the engine too cool in this case I mention huh??
Peter, I know of more incidents but that is enough for now. I think
you get the idea. As you said yourself; "you (us) are entitled to our
opinions. " You got that right, but in my personal case my opinions
are a result of what I have personally seen your company do over
the last few years.
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John_P
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Vaughn MacKenzie
TDR MEMBER
Guys guys guys, I don't agree with a lot of things Banks does and yes I know Banks has made some major customer service blunders, but please let's not eat Peter up alive and launch all sorts of negative cannons at him.
Engaging in open dialogue instead of jumping someone's case will be a lot more productive, and I for one am interested in what Banks is working on. Banks DOES do a number of things no other vendor does and I appreciate them for that. Maybe if we can refrain from making this a bash Banks thread we'll learn a few things, and maybe Peter would be open to some suggestions.
John P, injector failures and engine meltdowns aren't a uniquely Banks problem. It's happened with other boxes, injectors, and on stock trucks. Point is the failure very likely was caused by an issue the 6-gun had little to do with.
Vaughn
Engaging in open dialogue instead of jumping someone's case will be a lot more productive, and I for one am interested in what Banks is working on. Banks DOES do a number of things no other vendor does and I appreciate them for that. Maybe if we can refrain from making this a bash Banks thread we'll learn a few things, and maybe Peter would be open to some suggestions.
John P, injector failures and engine meltdowns aren't a uniquely Banks problem. It's happened with other boxes, injectors, and on stock trucks. Point is the failure very likely was caused by an issue the 6-gun had little to do with.
Vaughn
I watched the show today featuring the new Banks parts and was very impressed with the system I saw.
Is Banks perfect, I doubt it, but they have been in business for a long time and he has always had a good reputation in the industry, as far as I've known.
I personally don't care if his customer support team goes to lunch at the same time every day, at least they answer the phone when they are there, return calls if they're not and try to answer my questions whenever I call. Granted I've only called with questions about product and not problems, but I've talked to three different gentlemen there and always been impressed.
As far as the engine that blew in IN/IL I believe that there were many side issues involved in that case and reserve judgement.
I think that the issues here are:
1. Does the system work as it is advertised?
2. Will Banks stand behind the product if problems arise?
3. Are the parts well designed and of high quality?
4. Is the installation of this system a good investment?
An integrated approach seems like a great idea to me. The intercooler looked great and would probably help all of our trucks. The variable turbo is capable of solving drivability vs. performance issues that most people face as they attempt to increase power. The exhaust manifold will undoubtably be much better than stock and the Six Gun/Speed Loader is already proven.
Would I buy it? Not on your life, my C15 is 550HP/1850TQ and pays all the bills.
I would buy a box that wouldn't void my warranty and get me a 10% or better mileage increase.
I wonder how many idiots put boxes that are capable of adding 100 to 150 HP and proceed to destroy a perfectly good engine, then cry when someone else won't pay for it.
I've driven diesel trucks for 32 years and back then all it took was a button in the pump to make a cummins run.
Done within reason and driven well it was not a problem.
In those days we had "Drivers" and "Herders", if you were a herder you didn't pass the student run where I worked.
DC, Banks, ATS, TST and all other manufactorers have no way of knowing which type of driver is buying their products.
Is Banks perfect, I doubt it, but they have been in business for a long time and he has always had a good reputation in the industry, as far as I've known.
I personally don't care if his customer support team goes to lunch at the same time every day, at least they answer the phone when they are there, return calls if they're not and try to answer my questions whenever I call. Granted I've only called with questions about product and not problems, but I've talked to three different gentlemen there and always been impressed.
As far as the engine that blew in IN/IL I believe that there were many side issues involved in that case and reserve judgement.
I think that the issues here are:
1. Does the system work as it is advertised?
2. Will Banks stand behind the product if problems arise?
3. Are the parts well designed and of high quality?
4. Is the installation of this system a good investment?
An integrated approach seems like a great idea to me. The intercooler looked great and would probably help all of our trucks. The variable turbo is capable of solving drivability vs. performance issues that most people face as they attempt to increase power. The exhaust manifold will undoubtably be much better than stock and the Six Gun/Speed Loader is already proven.
Would I buy it? Not on your life, my C15 is 550HP/1850TQ and pays all the bills.
I would buy a box that wouldn't void my warranty and get me a 10% or better mileage increase.
I wonder how many idiots put boxes that are capable of adding 100 to 150 HP and proceed to destroy a perfectly good engine, then cry when someone else won't pay for it.
I've driven diesel trucks for 32 years and back then all it took was a button in the pump to make a cummins run.
Done within reason and driven well it was not a problem.
In those days we had "Drivers" and "Herders", if you were a herder you didn't pass the student run where I worked.
DC, Banks, ATS, TST and all other manufactorers have no way of knowing which type of driver is buying their products.
This is not banks product related. Its spike TV extreme truck related. Grant you the girl is nice looking,but they need to lose her,Soon!!She is kind of a air head and needs to move on. IMHO the show has changed since I first started to watch it,they have kind of protrayed this young lady as very silly of late. I will stick with to guys garage on the speed channel. coobie Oo.
Not trying to flame anybody or start or carry on any disputes, but these shows are cramming several hours of modifications/work into a 30 minute show. Thats 30 minutes minus commercials which equals about 15-20 minutes of real show time. You could probably fill several shows with what is left out. I watch most of these shows, but they kind of worry me as they leave a lot of important steps out, and they make the procedures seem a lot easier and faster than they really are, which could mislead someone into getting into something that is far above their capabilities. I haven't seen Peter attacking anybody else's product or slamming anybody for their opinion. One who comes bearing the flag of truce should not become an aiming point for artillery. I have e-mailed Banks twice with questions about the Autorate drivetrain protection and did not get a reply. I'm not angry, I have a few years of experience in customer service, and it is impossible to provide the perfect customer service to everybody. You always make somebody mad. Maybe all customer service departments should be named "recon by fire" departments because sometimes you miss.
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