Twin turbo dynoed HP...

[Diesel Freak]

ya did not answer my question. I asked about "your" background... . not your fellow employees which you rely on for assistance (not a bad thing BTW). Mainly because you are giving a "sales pitch" when someone asks a specific question. Are you in sales?



My Background?



US Navy Nuclear Power School. 3. 104 GPA



6 years running and maintaining a nuclear power plant (got lots of turbines there and it's all moving fluids)



4 years with BOC Edwards at the Intel Process Technology Developement site. Semiconductor Process Vaccum (ever seen a Turbo Molecular Pump?), Process Abatement, and compressed/cryogenic gasses. Air liquification plants use BIG radial compressors... . just a large electric driven turbo. Really cool stuff (literally), and it is all moving fluids... like the induction system in an engine. Makes internal combustion engines look like "childs play" in comparrison.



Currently a student at WSU Vancouver Engineering and Science Institute.



oh, and least we forget...



Self Proclaimed TDR and NW Bombers Turbocharger GOD :-laf



sorry, could not help myself Oo.

 

[Hohn]

Man, I must be turning into a real jerk because I seem to irritate more people lately. Was this^^ addressed to me?



Gary, you can stop sending me the correspondence course



I'm not sure who Brett is addressing, though, as I have a lowly HX35



Brett, I have to say that I really appreciate your contributions to the board here. As I also previously mentioned, I would love to see the PS66 be *THE* single we have all been hoping/waiting for. It's a breath of fresh air to see someone FINALLY target and meet the needs of the CTD enthusiast.



We here in TDR land have been scraping by with non-optimized turbos for so long that we're somewhat jaded, I think. I mean, going all the way back to the Majestic-tweaked 40s that popped like popcorn. Everybody has been trying to find a way to frankenstein a good turbo from parts, because NO ONE made a turbo that was specifically designed for our needs!



The turbo market for CTDs has been nothing but voodoo and salesmanship for so long that most of us (or maybe just me) are pretty jaded and cynical. How many vendors out there selling twins setups with NO DATA AT ALL-- no maps, not temps, no pressures, nothing! JUST REPUTATION. I HATE to buy something that has nothing more solid than word-of-mouth.



One guy likes a setup that "works great on my truck". Another guy buys the same setup and hates it. How can that be? Because it's all just "somebody says this" and "my friend's buddy's brother-in-law said" ad nauseum ad infinitum.



But as long as vendors hide behind "trade secrets", then we as customers are left with little to nothing to go on. I'm not referring to Industrial Injection, so please don't take it that way. I'm discussing other guys in generalities.



Who's to blame for this? WE ARE-- THE CUSTOMERS. The reason we are left is because we were content to drop a LOT of money on (a) turbo(s) based only ona vendor's say so or a test drive in someone else's truck. We never demanded better.



I would tend to think that the most effective sales technique is to test the crap out of your product-- test it agains the competition, then SHOW HOW IT IS BETTER, using that data.



It would be so convincing to see a turbo map for a PS66, along with a profile line for a bombed CTD. THEN, compare this to a map from an HX40 or some Frankenstein turbo (HTT, B1, Adkins, whatever). Let's be frank-- how many chargers aside from a stock HX40 and an S300 are not fooled with? How many are NOT a frankenstein charger of one sort or another.



I'm pleased that I. I. has the ear of Borg-Warner, as it appears to be the conduit through which the performance-minded diesel enthusiast can get the attention of a "big player" in the turbo game.



Justin

 

[Todd T]

popcorn? why i can just dump some down the hot side of my exhaust and butter it up!



how big is your "really big boat"? my TT weighs 9863lbs soaking wet and that's just a small fella



Fishin Guide: I have PDRs HX40/HT3B street/strip twins, TST 3 competition version that has been tweeked to bring the fuel in harder a bit lower in the RPM's and some nice slobbering EH BD5's (new injectors and Mad ECM are next on the list) 5" exhuast no muffler out a single stack.

 

[Fishin Guide]

I would tend to think that the most effective sales technique is to test the crap out of your product-- test it agains the competition, then SHOW HOW IT IS BETTER, using that data.

I agree. And who would hjave thought?



BTW, if the turbo vendors are afraid of reverse enineering, they don't have to look to us. The truth is, anyone that has he facility to ereverse engineer your turbo also has the ability to but one and copy it.



We as comsumers should demand more. It is our hard earned BTW.



And sorry for taking away from the topic at hand. You max power twins? I'm sure Jet Pilot or one of the like can chime in on what that takes.



Dave

 

[BradyWilliams]

RE: Back Ground, D. Freak

Your back ground looks interesting. And your proclaimation is noted. Your interesting enough to work here. That would be a kick! I have been around natural gas compressors. Those are very impressive. In fact we supply turbos and fuel systems to some of the maintaneance companys that take care of that big stuff. Wish you were at Bully Dog, it would be nice to meet you.

 

[Loaded 45]

Brett are you going to hire D. Freak ? - Since he posted his resume for ya.



Bretts answer to your no it all posts - makes me very glad I just purchased my super phat shaft 66 turbo from Industrial Injection - Great service!

 

[BradyWilliams]

RE: Understandable!

What do you think our frustration has been, trying to sell you the public, turbos that I my self and others here have tried on our trucks. I won't say what I think after that comment. I have to live in the turbo dist. network. What we want to sell you is what you want. Someone here said it," have their cake and eat it too". I HAVE ASKED MY SELF WHY NOT. I can tell you this, we are salesmen out of neccesity, but technichians by trade. When we say our trucks do this or they do that, it's only because we are trying to communicate the facts, only. We are on your side thats why we continue fighting forward to make things better. There is only two ways for the competition not to catch on to what we have been doing. DON'T educate them and keep moving forward. That is why I have been droping pieces of information through the different threads. We respect everyone in the diesel industry. One on one and face to face is good for us. We could and would walk you through every detail that way. Comp maps? We have comp maps that have up to three compressors on the same map for comparisons. For ever thing you can think of. Thanks and best regards.

 

[Diesel Freak]

Man, I must be turning into a real jerk because I seem to irritate more people lately. Was this^^ addressed to me?



Gary, you can stop sending me the correspondence course



I'm not sure who Brett is addressing, though, as I have a lowly HX35



Brett, I have to say that I really appreciate your contributions to the board here. As I also previously mentioned, I would love to see the PS66 be *THE* single we have all been hoping/waiting for. It's a breath of fresh air to see someone FINALLY target and meet the needs of the CTD enthusiast.



We here in TDR land have been scraping by with non-optimized turbos for so long that we're somewhat jaded, I think. I mean, going all the way back to the Majestic-tweaked 40s that popped like popcorn. Everybody has been trying to find a way to frankenstein a good turbo from parts, because NO ONE made a turbo that was specifically designed for our needs!



The turbo market for CTDs has been nothing but voodoo and salesmanship for so long that most of us (or maybe just me) are pretty jaded and cynical. How many vendors out there selling twins setups with NO DATA AT ALL-- no maps, not temps, no pressures, nothing! JUST REPUTATION. I HATE to buy something that has nothing more solid than word-of-mouth.



One guy likes a setup that "works great on my truck". Another guy buys the same setup and hates it. How can that be? Because it's all just "somebody says this" and "my friend's buddy's brother-in-law said" ad nauseum ad infinitum.



But as long as vendors hide behind "trade secrets", then we as customers are left with little to nothing to go on. I'm not referring to Industrial Injection, so please don't take it that way. I'm discussing other guys in generalities.



Who's to blame for this? WE ARE-- THE CUSTOMERS. The reason we are left is because we were content to drop a LOT of money on (a) turbo(s) based only ona vendor's say so or a test drive in someone else's truck. We never demanded better.



I would tend to think that the most effective sales technique is to test the crap out of your product-- test it agains the competition, then SHOW HOW IT IS BETTER, using that data.



It would be so convincing to see a turbo map for a PS66, along with a profile line for a bombed CTD. THEN, compare this to a map from an HX40 or some Frankenstein turbo (HTT, B1, Adkins, whatever). Let's be frank-- how many chargers aside from a stock HX40 and an S300 are not fooled with? How many are NOT a frankenstein charger of one sort or another.



I'm pleased that I. I. has the ear of Borg-Warner, as it appears to be the conduit through which the performance-minded diesel enthusiast can get the attention of a "big player" in the turbo game.



Justin

WTG Justin!!! Oo. Oo.



Where are my Pom Poms!!!!!!



Brett, believe me, I am not trying to single you out... . you just are posting more frequently about your product than other vendors, and are just "available".



Over the last year I have seen some real crappy craftmanship with regards to turbos, and turbine modifications.



I along with many others are friggin fed up with Vendors selling "intangeables" and not solid info. Most claims are OUTRAGEOUS IMO!!!!



Take for instance the DD Jammer II... . sold as a 600 HP turbo... . umm on a Gasser it could, but not on a diesel!!!



Reverse engineering happens..... get over it!!!



Where is Industrial Injection located?



While the "offer" was in jest, I have to finish my BSME before I consider going back to work.

 

[Fishin Guide]

Comp maps? We have comp maps that have up to three compressors on the same map for comparisons. For ever thing you can think of. Thanks and best regards.

Now we are getting somewhere. Would it possible to see any of these? I don't mind even going somewhere to view them if you want to send it to me.



I am willing to make the effort to understand what you are saying about your product. I am just looking for information. I am not a turbo builder and don't want to be one.



I would also like to hear what your thoughts are regarding compound setups.



Thanks Brett.



Dave

 

[Diesel Freak]

There is only two ways for the competition not to catch on to what we have been doing. DON'T educate them and keep moving forward.

no argument there!!!



But what about potential customers who really want to make an informed decision?



Why is it that I can find maps for practically EVERY Garrett made, but nothing in the Diesel Specific market (holset, Schwitzer to name a few)?



Serriously now, not much has changed with regards to turbo technology other than some new materials that withstand the abuse that high P/R compressor wheels take. The extended tip change... it helps, but not a huge advancement. Just makes a smaller wheel feel bigger when at high pressure ratios.



High flow turbines? well, ya make a sacrafice at high boost (turbine RPM) in efficiency from the slightly lower gas exit velocity out of the exducer (it is the "reaction stage" of the turbine)

 

[BradyWilliams]

RE: comp maps

Borg Warner and Holset etc. believe their information is protected by dist. agreements that we sign. They call it proprietary information. This adds a twist to showing their information to the world. Believe me if it would sell turbos and we wouldn't get a call from the factorys and others wouldn't take notes, I would be fine with it. Thats why we have been doing so many dyno runs and testing. And posting all of it on here.

 

[Diesel Freak]

ah I see!!!



Big Brother don't like it when a NDA is violated.



Well, looks like it is back to the Garrett drawing board. Definately a difference in sales techniques and customer response. Garrett has responded to the gasser performance market very well.



Borg Warner and Holset etc... . well they have marketshare in other places and just are not interested I guess.

 

[BradyWilliams]

RE: Phat Shaft 66

Believe me it IS a balancing act to get good spool up on bottom end and make some good hp at top. It has been said not just by me but by others that have installed PS Super 66 turbos, that the spool up is almost like a HX40 but when it hits it's goes all the way to the wastegate. Made me nervous the first time I drove with that turbo. I was worried about how pulling would be. But now that I have pulled alot with it, I know it's good to go for pulling. I think thats been the best part for me.

 

[Hohn]

Brett, thanks for your patience as you guys walk the line between keeping both sides (customer and manufacturers) happy.



We can be a cantankerous bunch, but if you are patient with us and endure some occasionaly nonsense, you will earn a degree of customer loyalty that will stick by someone to the end.



Make mine a regular PS66