Upgrading the 48RE!

[flattracker]

KKLING didn't post it as a question he posted it as a fact , if you read back thru this thread he has posted several things that were dubious to say the least. People on this board spend a ton of money getting their transmissions to perform the way they like, money spent due to information thats false or misleading is just money down the drain. If it's is a fact post it as a fact if it is just secondhand info that someone told you say so, if it is just a theory you dreamed up say so no one is going to be mad or think less of you unless you mislead them and then they have the right. Sorry for the rant.

 

[LightmanE300]

Ok justin maybe I took it the wrong way if I did I apologize. Just poking fun with the grammar comment as you may have been with the crazy comment Cheers

 

[KKlingbeil]

KKLING didn't post it as a question he posted it as a fact , if you read back thru this thread he has posted several things that were dubious to say the least. People on this board spend a ton of money getting their transmissions to perform the way they like, money spent due to information thats false or misleading is just money down the drain. If it's is a fact post it as a fact if it is just secondhand info that someone told you say so, if it is just a theory you dreamed up say so no one is going to be mad or think less of you unless you mislead them and then they have the right. Sorry for the rant.

Not quite so sure I posted "dubious" info. as my convertors were from TCS and did FAIL, and about the shipping thing, that was also true until not too long ago when they got a warehouse in the US.

About the triple disk to single disk thing, i never stated it as a fact, and yes that is what a transmission guy told me, and to me it does make sense, maybe not to all, and maybe i didn't use the best wording when posting it, im not an english major!!! To each his own i guess. Flattracker, you still come across as bashing everyone, dont know if that is your intent or not, but that is usually how your posts look, to me anyway. O well i guess, im sick of this post, because no useful knowledge can ever be gained from all the other trash talk!

 

[fox]

Someone would have to be crazy to think a single will hold as much as a multi disk with the same amount of apply pressure.



The whole reason a multi disk was developed was for the guys that did not want to turn up the line pressure.



Flat is right about the extra disks in the front drum. There is a new drum out there will hold 6 clutcheds instead of 4.

Justin, this is exactly what I'm refering to. The stock trans need more pressure, not just more clutches in one area.

This new drum you mentioned, I have been using it for two years , and I'm not the first, so I don't call this new stuff anymore.

It is a lot more than just clutch area, which is part of the formula, it is quality control.

I have measured the clutches.

BTW, I'm 52, I would like to know your age and experience level.

 

[fox]

Also, Justin, I'm planning to build a kit to put Dual wheels on my wifes Corvette.

The dually trucks use then so it would really help a sports car.

Of course I'm being cynical, but this is how I often compare the need to a multi disc clutch on the street.



Now, to repeat it, I am not really building a kit to put duals on anything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

 

[flattracker]

KKLING the shipping thing was never true and still isn't they ship there convertors directly from Canada and there is no 400. 00 customs fee and that is a fact not some heresay that someone told me secondhand. If you think I'm confrontational because I call a lie a lie, that could be because of the age difference, when I grew up the truth was more important than whether you would hurt the liars self esteem by pointing it out. Im sorry that you have had your trans rebuilt three times and it still doesn't work but have you asked your vendor why if they had ceased doing business with this convertor company because there convertors were no good they chose to put not one but three of them in your truck?

 

[justinp20012500]

Justin, this is exactly what I'm refering to. The stock trans need more pressure, not just more clutches in one area.

This new drum you mentioned, I have been using it for two years , and I'm not the first, so I don't call this new stuff anymore.

It is a lot more than just clutch area, which is part of the formula, it is quality control.

I have measured the clutches.

BTW, I'm 52, I would like to know your age and experience level.

What is the square inches of the friction paper in the direct drum???



Read my profile, you can do the math and get me age. And as for my expeirence level, I have already explained that in a previous post.



Dual wheels on the wifes corvette huh?? Good luck with that one.





Justin

 

[fox]

Justin, I'm not gonna tell you!! Figure it out if you want to know.

I don't need this baby stuff from you.



Do a search and find Pascals law and study it. You may learn about things.

I'm gone from this post.

You always go after someone. And never directly respond, just squirm around the topic.

 

[KKlingbeil]

KKLING the shipping thing was never true and still isn't they ship there convertors directly from Canada and there is no 400. 00 customs fee and that is a fact not some heresay that someone told me secondhand. If you think I'm confrontational because I call a lie a lie, that could be because of the age difference, when I grew up the truth was more important than whether you would hurt the liars self esteem by pointing it out. Im sorry that you have had your trans rebuilt three times and it still doesn't work but have you asked your vendor why if they had ceased doing business with this convertor company because there convertors were no good they chose to put not one but three of them in your truck?

Flattracker- The convertors that went into my truck were orgianally built by TCS, and they were leftover after the split and all that jazz. Anyway, the new machine shop dismanteled all of them to check internals and fix anything that was wrong. Well it turned out that the seals that TCS had put in them were WRONG, and the new shop didn't check that because they assumed they were new and the right ones, but they weren't.



About the shipping thing, im not gonna argue anymore about it, as it is pointless, but it would seem to me that it would be hard to ship across borders without paying customs. Someone earlier in this thread stated that TCS has a warehouse now in washington or cali. or somewhere, so that they wouldn't have to pay customs. I do not know, nor really care.



About the age thing, that is just crap, and a lame excuse to say the least. Just because i am young and didn't grow up back in the day gives you no right whatsoever to be a jerk about it. Not saying anything bad about growing up back then, but you gotta realize that not all young people are bad, and little unrespectful a-holes. Sorry about anything, but arguing about this anymore is pointless, so i'll call a truce right here and now. So truce. .

 

[flattracker]

Agreed truce . DTT is the one with the wharehouse in washington or at least that is where you return the cores too. So DTT'S new machine shop opened these convertors up before installation and they still failed ? I would be very interested in what they find as the cause of all this when they get your trans lined out have run both DTT's convertor and TCS's and had good service out of both never knew anyone to have this much trouble with a DTT transmission usually if they don't get it perfect on the first try it's just a matter of tweaking pressures or changing out springs for optimised shift points and such.

 

[justinp20012500]

Justin, I'm not gonna tell you!! Figure it out if you want to know.

I don't need this baby stuff from you.



Do a search and find Pascals law and study it. You may learn about things.

I'm gone from this post.

You always go after someone. And never directly respond, just squirm around the topic.

Ok, I guess I will measure myself. I just thought you knew the answer off the top of your head. My rebuild kit should be on my doorstep today.



I only go after someone that posts incorrect information about certain products.



Baby stuff??? Come on. I never resorted to name calling, or pulling the age the card!!



How many 47RE torque converters have you cut open??



How many multi disk torque conveters have you developed/tested??





Justin

 

[flattracker]

Fox there is always more than one way to skin a cat. When DODGE upped the hp up over 300 and the torque over 500 they chose to add clutches to the foward clutch and the clamping force on the 2nd gear band thru an increased ratio lever as opposed to increasing line pressure. I think we loose site of the fact that although most of the people on here either have or want a modified auto the vast majority of these trucks sold are running up and down the road daily pulling loads and doing it with a stock trans. If they were so horribly unreliable you couldn't get down the road for the dodge diesels expired in the middle of the road.

 

[justinp20012500]

Fox there is always more than one way to skin a cat. When DODGE upped the hp up over 300 and the torque over 500 they chose to add clutches to the foward clutch and the clamping force on the 2nd gear band thru an increased ratio lever as opposed to increasing line pressure. I think we loose site of the fact that although most of the people on here either have or want a modified auto the vast majority of these trucks sold are running up and down the road daily pulling loads and doing it with a stock trans. If they were so horribly unreliable you couldn't get down the road for the dodge diesels expired in the middle of the road.

Modifications done to the should directly reflect the vehicles power level and the different types of driving the vehicle is subject to.



Yes fox, maybe at moderealty higher then stock power levels a multi disk TC is not needed and a single will work fine.



Even a stamped steel TC with the correct stall speed will work in heavliy modifed conditions.



I guess its all personal preference.



There are many trans vendors out there putting power to the ground and holding it with many different approuches to the way they think the trans needs to be set up.

 

[KKlingbeil]

Agreed truce . DTT is the one with the wharehouse in washington or at least that is where you return the cores too. So DTT'S new machine shop opened these convertors up before installation and they still failed ? I would be very interested in what they find as the cause of all this when they get your trans lined out have run both DTT's convertor and TCS's and had good service out of both never knew anyone to have this much trouble with a DTT transmission usually if they don't get it perfect on the first try it's just a matter of tweaking pressures or changing out springs for optimised shift points and such.

From what i was told is that they opened up the two previous convertors that were in my truck and they had the wrong seals. They were from TCS originally, and the new machine shop opened them up to make sure the machined parts were good and the way they were supposed to be, but they didn't check the seals, and so they were blowing fluid by the seals and thats what is making it slip. Im going back to lawrence ks next weekend and God willing, it will be done and working. We still think it is torque convertor, because there isn't much left it could be, as we have checked about everything, and replaced anything we thought a possible cause. I just hope it gets done next weekend, and that we figure out FOR SURE what is going on.

 

[SnoKing]

Hey guys, hear about NAFTA. Anything built in Canada, USA or Mexico goes across the border(s) without a tariff either direction. I recently talked to the Blaine border crossing about this, as I was going to buy a court yard covering made in Sidney, BC. American productions assembled in Canada can return without duty. Canadian Products can enter the US without duty. That is the North American Free Trade Agreement - NAFTA. SNOKING

 

[flattracker]

Snoking you are right sometimes the obvious escapes me. I would imagine the trouble related to KKLING was when TCS was selling to DTT Canada has some funky tax laws I know I have bought several chainsaws from a dealer in Canada and he can sell them to me and ship them down here for far less money than he can sell them locally with the taxes.

 

[dzltrqcrzy]

TC only for '05's ?

Hi Guys,



Long time reader, first time poster !

First off, let me thank you all for this great website. Some much useful info !

Let me tell you, from reading the other brands' forums before purchasing my truck, the Dodge w/Cummins is definetly the most reliable engine/transmission (auto or 6sp) combo out there !!!



I agree with you all that the TC could be tighter. I find myself driving in tow/haul all the time and making the transmission upshift to 3rd locked as soon as possible.

I'm not planning on bombing at all, I just want to get the power that's there to the ground !



I called Dave G in Iowa, who suggested that for my apllication (stock power/towing<7k) a single disc TC (with better coupling) alone would be fine. He also said that the VB wouldn't need any mods if you didn't need fluid circulation in park as the line pressue is a bit higher than on the '03-'04. 5's. If I was gonna put a box on, he suggested the triple-disc. He's a great guy and took 45 minutes of him time explaining all this to me in detail.



Also, in another forum (dieselram) their resident transmission expert (Tim H) confirmed this and said that the '05 VB couldn't be modifed as far as line pressure because of the electric servo controlling the VB vs. the throttle cable (which could be adjusted externaly)



Right now, my plan is to just get a new TC.

The other thing that I need to figure out is what to do about the 'thurst washer' issue that Bill K brought up about a year & 1/2 ago. I haven't seen any post that states that their transmission went south because of that washer. I wonder if I should just leave it alone, or simply have the holes in it plugged ?

What do you guys think ?

Thanks,

Pat

 

[SnoKing]

Hi Guys,



Long time reader, first time poster !

First off, let me thank you all for this great website. Some much useful info !

Let me tell you, from reading the other brands' forums before purchasing my truck, the Dodge w/Cummins is definetly the most reliable engine/transmission (auto or 6sp) combo out there !!!



I agree with you all that the TC could be tighter. I find myself driving in tow/haul all the time and making the transmission upshift to 3rd locked as soon as possible.

I'm not planning on bombing at all, I just want to get the power that's there to the ground !



I called Dave G in Iowa, who suggested that for my apllication (stock power/towing<7k) a single disc TC (with better coupling) alone would be fine. He also said that the VB wouldn't need any mods if you didn't need fluid circulation in park as the line pressue is a bit higher than on the '03-'04. 5's. If I was gonna put a box on, he suggested the triple-disc. He's a great guy and took 45 minutes of him time explaining all this to me in detail.



Also, in another forum (dieselram) their resident transmission expert (Tim H) confirmed this and said that the '05 VB couldn't be modifed as far as line pressure because of the electric servo controlling the VB vs. the throttle cable (which could be adjusted externaly)



Right now, my plan is to just get a new TC.

The other thing that I need to figure out is what to do about the 'thurst washer' issue that Bill K brought up about a year & 1/2 ago. I haven't seen any post that states that their transmission went south because of that washer. I wonder if I should just leave it alone, or simply have the holes in it plugged ?

What do you guys think ?

Thanks,

Pat

Why not call Bill and ask him. He will talk to you also. SNOKING

 

[bchesley]

I just returned from Relentless Diesel in Willis Texas and had the transmission upgraded. Man I can not believe the difference. Just do it.



Brad

 

[Matt400]

I just returned from Relentless Diesel in Willis Texas and had the transmission upgraded.

What did they do, TC and VB or complete rebuild??