Used 3rd Gen's are stupid crazy on price

[jhenderson]

I agree. I just started a small job over the line in Ct. Only 8 miles each way. The contract runs out April 1st. Hurts my feelings to run my truck on a short haul but need my off road fuel tank and tools every day. I'll shorten up oil changes to 2,000 miles, block off the grill and hope for the best.

 

[crobertson1]

The reason my truck had such low miles (35K), was because it was used mainly to tow the RV, or the trailer full of dirt bikes. It never went out in the winter because of my OCD (and the mag chloride on the roads). Also, I have my company truck for my work. It sure paid off when I sold her!

 

[Bill Stockard]

The reason my truck had such low miles (35K), was because it was used mainly to tow the RV, or the trailer full of dirt bikes. It never went out in the winter because of my OCD (and the mag chloride on the roads). Also, I have my company truck for my work. It sure paid off when I sold her!

Our truck also low mileage (41k) because of similar use. I buy diesels for the power and fuel economy vs. gasoline. We like traveling to the mountains of the west and turbocharged diesels, unlike natural aspirated gasoline engines, don't lose power with altitude. Our truck is not a daily driver, garage kept, and used for hauling our Lance truck camper. We don't usually travel unless the weather is nice. Our truck and camper, which like our truck has also always been stored inside since new, are in like new condition. We've had legitimate offers on both, but so far have declined since the replacement cost is so expensive.

Bill

 

[rscurtis]

How about some pictures of your Hemi Coronet? Please?

Here you are. The seat covers have been replaced with new from Legendary Interiors. The radio has been removed for repair, and the addition of an FM tuner. I've gone through the carburetors and have the jetting pretty much set the way I want it. I installed some aftermarket gauges and discovered it only has 10# of oil pressure at idle, I have to research that. I don't think its major, as the engine is quiet, even from a cold start. I have a new OEM oil pump that I'll change when I get the chance. When the weather gets better, I'll pull the engine to fix a small leak at the rear main seal, install a period-correct solid lifter cam, and install a heat riser valve in the RH manifold. I wanted another project and it looks like I found it! The good news is that it doesn't need any body or interior work.https://www.turbodieselregister.com/threads/248957-Got-another-project

 

[Deleted member 995608]

I think I'm given up my 3rd gen fix unless I can find one fairly priced. I doubt the pricing or popularity will ever change but if it does, I'd find myself even deeper in the hole since I'd would have paid $7-10k over a premium retail price to begin. These trucks might pull in high prices but they aren't selling very fast. Even the 06 I mentioned earlier has been for sale for 1-1/2 months and it's cherry, but for $32900 when the Nada premium retail value was $24k and change, even my financial adviser thought I was nuttier than squirrel poo.

So I will continue my hunt for 2014-15 with hopes to buy under invoice. I won't be saving any money but at least I'll get a factory warranty.

 

[MerkelG]

Sold my 06 big horn 4x4 auto quad cab with 40300 miles to cypress auto center in Auburn ca.for 29000.

 

[SnoKing]

I think I'm given up my 3rd gen fix unless I can find one fairly priced. I doubt the pricing or popularity will ever change but if it does, I'd find myself even deeper in the hole since I'd would have paid $7-10k over a premium retail price to begin. These trucks might pull in high prices but they aren't selling very fast. Even the 06 I mentioned earlier has been for sale for 1-1/2 months and it's cherry, but for $32900 when the Nada premium retail value was $24k and change, even my financial adviser thought I was nuttier than squirrel poo.

So I will continue my hunt for 2014-15 with hopes to buy under invoice. I won't be saving any money but at least I'll get a factory warranty.

Same thing happens here in the NW the big truck lots in Puyallup jack the heck out of the prices. They throw lift kits(most likely cheap ones) at just about everything. You can watch their adds over months and the same trucks are there! http://nwmsrocks.com/

 

[crobertson1]

here you are. The seat covers have been replaced with new from legendary interiors. The radio has been removed for repair, and the addition of an fm tuner. I've gone through the carburetors and have the jetting pretty much set the way i want it. I installed some aftermarket gauges and discovered it only has 10# of oil pressure at idle, i have to research that. I don't think its major, as the engine is quiet, even from a cold start. I have a new oem oil pump that i'll change when i get the chance. When the weather gets better, i'll pull the engine to fix a small leak at the rear main seal, install a period-correct solid lifter cam, and install a heat riser valve in the rh manifold. I wanted another project and it looks like i found it! The good news is that it doesn't need any body or interior work.https://www.turbodieselregister.com/threads/248957-got-another-project

thank you!!

 

[Freidhof]

Driving any of these TD trucks a short distance (ie Grocery getter) is hard on them, I live outside of town about 10 miles to fire up my truck and go in town it hasn't even come close to operating temp, then to shut it off do what you went to town to do, fire it up and go 10 miles back home shut it off. That IMO is REALLY hard on the truck, oil and not real good thinking if you want to keep things going for the 200K that I have on mine now and I plan on keeping it NO MATTER HOW LONG it takes to see a Million on it if Im still around to do it.

This is the reason for a Gas Taco and besides the Taco is 4x4 gas was cheaper (and still is) and its up to temp before I drive the 400 yard driveway to the main hwy to go into town. BTJMO

Maybe, but Had an 06 Mega Cab used 98% of the time for a grocery getter. We live 12 miles from town, many many times drove from home to store and shut the key off. ( I let warm up and cool off, my wife not so much). Gave me a 100K trouble free miles, other than general maintenance, oil sampled and changed oil and filter every 5000 miles. Never ever had a bad sample, and have no doubts that truck will run another 100k without issue.

Just sold it outright, have a 15 on order with intentions of doing the same thing. Had 188k on the ticker, cost me with major repairs and tires and general maintenance (not including fuel, oil, and filters) $0.16/mile to drive that truck. Would doubt you can find many gas taco's that can haul 3 kids in car seats, pull a trailer when needed, be comfortable, and do it all safely with little doubt of my wife and little ones coming home in one piece, for much if any cheaper.

Did pretty much the same thing with my 99 until the kids came along, and it has 250k on the clock now. Even lived closer to work at that time, so more short trips.

Guess what I am getting at is, short trips may not be ideal, but is not the end of the world. Just our experience, not Gospel.

 

[RVTRKN]

The Emissions setup on the 07.5 and later CTD's are a far cry different than your 06, don't be surprised if you get the DPF full message with lots of codes.

 

[Freidhof]

The Emissions setup on the 07.5 and later CTD's are a far cry different than your 06, don't be surprised if you get the DPF full message with lots of codes.

Fully aware of that, but not overly concerned. Work in the heavy and ag equipment industry, and see lots of new equipment on light duty and excessive idle situations with little to no issues. Tractors running grain carts comes to mind.

Also, the new half ton diesel is designed and marketed as a grocery getter with similar emissions systems, so Ram clearly is not concerned either.

I will agree however, I would not probably be doing this if Ram/Cummins had not come out with urea emissions systems. Was a major deciding factor in running the 06 so long and buying a new pickup vs. My standard 4-5 year old unit with 80 on the clock.

I guess all I can say is....we'll see!

 

[photowrite]

Fully aware of that, but not overly concerned. Work in the heavy and ag equipment industry, and see lots of new equipment on light duty and excessive idle situations with little to no issues. Tractors running grain carts comes to mind.

Also, the new half ton diesel is designed and marketed as a grocery getter with similar emissions systems, so Ram clearly is not concerned either.

VW makes some diesel 'cars' too, we own one, but surely most are not owned and driven by gearhead enthusiasts who care or know how to drive them any different than any other 'car'.

I will agree however, I would not probably be doing this if Ram/Cummins had not come out with urea emissions systems. Was a major deciding factor in running the 06 so long and buying a new pickup vs. My standard 4-5 year old unit with 80 on the clock.

I guess all I can say is....we'll see!

The new urea system is working for me, pleased to see how little DEF my rig is consuming in light-duty use.

 

[Freidhof]

VW makes some diesel 'cars' too, we own one, but surely most are not owned and driven by gearhead enthusiasts who care or know how to drive them any different than any other 'car'.




The new urea system is working for me, pleased to see how little DEF my rig is consuming in light-duty use.

Photowrite,

Really glad to hear that. Your experience seems to mirror what most of my customers with the 13 and newer Rams are seeing for reliability and maintenance. I really think that Urea is the way to go of the EPA emissions systems to choose from. We have been running DEF/SCR in Ag equipment since 2009, and has virtually been a non issue as compared to all the bad hype it received before it came out. I can probably only name 2 or 3 minor issues relating to the DEF on our units over the last couple years, and most were common flukes, i.e. leaky o-rings or bad DEF pump. Of the big 3 Ag manufacturers, the 2 that chose to use Urea in some shape or form seem to have had the least emission related issues. In my experience, anyways. Results may vary!

Being a diehard Dodge/Cummins guy, I was really disappointed when Dodge went all DPF in 07.5. I think the new system is a way better option, hopefully it proves right!.

I'll shut up now, and quit hi jacking this thread! Sorry...

Thanks,

 

[Tuesdak]

Photowrite,

Really glad to hear that. Your experience seems to mirror what most of my customers with the 13 and newer Rams are seeing for reliability and maintenance. I really think that Urea is the way to go of the EPA emissions systems to choose from. We have been running DEF/SCR in Ag equipment since 2009, and has virtually been a non issue as compared to all the bad hype it received before it came out. I can probably only name 2 or 3 minor issues relating to the DEF on our units over the last couple years, and most were common flukes, i.e. leaky o-rings or bad DEF pump. Of the big 3 Ag manufacturers, the 2 that chose to use Urea in some shape or form seem to have had the least emission related issues. In my experience, anyways. Results may vary!

Being a diehard Dodge/Cummins guy, I was really disappointed when Dodge went all DPF in 07.5. I think the new system is a way better option, hopefully it proves right!.

I'll shut up now, and quit hi jacking this thread! Sorry...

Thanks,

You are actually bang on as to a good reason older trucks still hold extreme value.

EPA wouldn't let Cummins, Ford or GM release an engine that required another fluid like DEF at the time. So they had no choice but to release an engine that wasn't ready and none of the big 3 worked well with the no DEF EPA issue - debate reliability all you want, but, MPG matters more and it went down 10-20%! The extra DPF plugging soot that was created from low NOx emission requirements requiring more EGR to obtain didn't help at all. Worked hard the soot buildup barley burned off fast enough on a Duramax leaving us in regen after pulling a trailer over a 7% grade into town. It was something else to see the soot generated during the same pull after the bolts failed to hold the DPF on as it smoked as bad as a NA 6.2 GM due to excessive EGR use!

So you buy a newer DEF truck and still have extra emissions that cause you issues or get an older truck without. Issues again you can debate about what year is the best, but, the value of older pre-emissions trucks says more. Mainly skipping the known troublesome low MPG Non-DEF emission truck years gives you the choice of expensive later model or older trucks. If you can't afford later model you are looking at the older trucks...

 

[BIGNASTY]

Fully aware of that, but not overly concerned. Work in the heavy and ag equipment industry, and see lots of new equipment on light duty and excessive idle situations with little to no issues. Tractors running grain carts comes to mind.

Also, the new half ton diesel is designed and marketed as a grocery getter with similar emissions systems, so Ram clearly is not concerned either.

I will agree however, I would not probably be doing this if Ram/Cummins had not come out with urea emissions systems. Was a major deciding factor in running the 06 so long and buying a new pickup vs. My standard 4-5 year old unit with 80 on the clock.

I guess all I can say is....we'll see!

I will have to agree with you on the Farm equipment not having any issues, we have a couple of Case IH tractors that have the re-gen BS I wasn't a big fan of it when FIL bought them, I fire it up every AM let it idle until the wife or her sister come out to get in and feed cattle, the ONLY thing that we have done is add the Exhaust Fluid, I do that cause I don't need the crap to somehow get mixed up as sometimes happens, I don't know how!! but a Pard at the saloon is the Case IH dealer said it happens more than you would think.

We have had no codes thrown, it smells HOT when it re-gens but that's normal, The mechanic at the Dealer said that you CAN drive it while it re-gens but he suggested to stop and take a break for the 20 minutes that it takes to cycle the process. It re-gens about 1 time a week in the winter we use it also for snow removal with a blower and to pull a hay trailer to feed cattle. I wonder if the spec's on off road equip is as strict as on road?

The Wife's Audi is diesel as is our Daughters VW and they have had NO PROBLEMS!! it seems as if the European folks may have figured this out better than us!!

 

[Freidhof]

JDoremire,

Spot on. Exact same thing happened in 10 when I bought my 06. Could buy an 08 same options less miles for less money. I looked for over a year to find this truck and wasn't even being real picky! Had every intention of the 06 to 300k+ just avoid emissions as long as I could.

One major problem with this plan......SALT!!! Haha The biggest thing that kills these trucks in my area is body cancer. I've seen 2 and 3 year old trucks starting here already. Especially these 3rd generation trucks. Rarely do you see a 3rd Gen here without the rear fender wells bubbling, quickly followed by rear cab corners. Buddy jokes the life cycle of a truck is stock, fender flares, flat bed
, scrap yard!

your right, drive an older truck, eventually have swiss cheese box syndrome, but avoid emissions or stay in the trading game and get rid of it while it's valuable. Not sure what the right answer is.

Bignasty,

To answer your question on off road equipment, yes....mostly. Regs are as strict or getting there very soon, just lagged behind on road by several years. I think more games were probably played to avoid the inevitable for as long as possible i.e. using "clean engine" credits on one model line to prolong building tier 2 or 3 engines in a different line longer, lowering or raising horsepower to avoid a deadline etc.

As far as shutting down while the tractor regens, depends on the model and what level of a regen it is doing, but probably not necessary to stop working while in regen. Your case guy might have said that out of concern for exiting exhaust temp. When emissions first hit the ag industry there was a lot of concern of a feed wagon tractor going into regen while driving through a free stall dairy barn and catching the cobwebs and dust on fire. Just a thought.

 

[spin05]

I paid 28.5k for my 04.5 3500 4x4 with 55k miles on it, s&b intake,Mrbp exhaust,B&M gooseneck hitch,camper tie downs, tool box,new kelly tires. Real clean truck. This was last febuary. 28.5k was full price. He had a guy coming from Eastern WA to buy. A nieghbor that wanted it and one other guy. I was first in line otherwise it woulda been gone

 

[CharlesHoward]

For me, another reason could be that I don't want all the "consumer" electronics on a newer truck (GPS, etc) that either become obsolete or fail too soon/often.

 

[Bill Stockard]

Bignasty,

To answer your question on off road equipment, yes....mostly. Regs are as strict or getting there very soon, just lagged behind on road by several years. I think more games were probably played to avoid the inevitable for as long as possible i.e. using "clean engine" credits on one model line to prolong building tier 2 or 3 engines in a different line longer, lowering or raising horsepower to avoid a deadline etc.

As far as shutting down while the tractor regens, depends on the model and what level of a regen it is doing, but probably not necessary to stop working while in regen. Your case guy might have said that out of concern for exiting exhaust temp. When emissions first hit the ag industry there was a lot of concern of a feed wagon tractor going into regen while driving through a free stall dairy barn and catching the cobwebs and dust on fire. Just a thought.

I purchased a new Kubota tractor with Tier 4 emission system (EGR and DPF) on it last June. I have nearly 100 hours on it now and it has gone through regeneration two times. I never stopped the tractor while mowing pasture and would have never known it was in regeneration except for a Regeneration Indicator Light illuminated on the dash. The regeneration lasted for about 15 minutes and the light went off. I checked the soot level indicator which showed 0% soot level in the DPF. There is a switch on the dash to temporarily delay regeneration if the tractor is in a hazardous location. There is a short time frame before the engine gores into "reduced power" when the DPF is at 100% full. Regeneration can be done with the tractor stationary if certain parameters are met, but it's not necessary.

One advantage, there is no more diesel smoke or lingering diesel smell in my shop when starting the tractor inside the building.

Bill

 

[Deleted member 995608]

Im noticing these highly price 3rd gen's aren't selling very quickly. 3 or 4 that live looked at recently have been for sale for months so I'm hoping the prices have topped off and maybe go down a little. I found another 3500 SRW 6spd today with less than 80k miles for $39,800. That's nucking futs!