V-8 Power Stroke and I-6 Cummins

[ramman]

!'st v/8 goes to Caddy

If I'm not mistaken Caddy had the first v8 power not sure of the year,I heard this on a trivia question a few nights ago on the radio. A little research will be needed.

 

[Ethdee]

This probably doesn't help, but Chevrolet had one in 1917, a couple of years after the Cadillac.

 

[JTMcCracken]

Drive them both and buy whatever tickles you. Its really not a life or death type of decision. All of them make enough power for the average type. I sure would rather change the starter on my Dodge than any V-8 though, love them Inline 6 cylinders! JTMcC.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

"Aw, come on Gary, the first place I met you was at the Sacramento Drag Strip Of course I believe you were just spectating that day, in your old truck... "



WADDA ya MEAN "spectating"?



I turned a 16. 9 at 82 mph that day...



LESSEE that would make a total of 1/2 mile DRAG RACING vs about 40,000 miles towing our trailer - the rest of the 119,000 miles was just odd jobs and commuting... Oo.

 

[ramfan2]

Just remind him the the Power Choke is rated as a light duty diesel and the Dodge Cummins is a medium duty. In other words, he'll be rebuilding his when ours is at half life, or less.







Chris

 

[DarrellB]

TORQUE





Nuff Said

Darrell

 

[GBall]

:-laf First of all this is not GBall. This is EVIL GBall. Dude left his account up on this comp. here at work. Being as any one that registers at FD.com can post and this is a fee site there is never a fair representation of ford/Navistar. So here is another take. First lets stop with this "detuned" fraze. That would mean they put it together and it made so much power that they started taking things off and downsizeing every thing to retard it. Truth is it runns as eficient as the epa will allow. Soon as you add your power gagets it smokes like a friggin freight train. If it was "detuned" they wouldn't have upgraded it twice now ie. old twelve,new twelve,24 valve and now the new generation. With your terminoligy ALL engines are detuned. As far as v vrs I, I agree the six is stronger in the basement,a main after every rod is stout. V's are for fitting in tighter places and just run smoother. Longevity will suffer some but not as bad as ya'll make it out to be. More later( if I don't get shut down)Moowaahh..... (evil laugh):--)

 

[GBall]

Continuing now on lunch break. I still have never been on a run over the mountains,pulling horses and been passed by with friends that have stock CTD's of the same year. I have a 97 cc srw f350. My father inlaws brand new duramax will slowly come by but not blow me away and it's a 2001. Yes i know you guy's can inexpensivly bomb the crap out of them and hey thats cool. All that sounds like it's over with the new Gen. as they went with common rail injection. We'll see if they can keep the "cackel" out of them. Wich by the way I've never seen/heard or personaly known any one to have. But there is enough talk about it that it would suck to be one of those guy's. :--) Later Evil GBall

 

[Groover]

Quit trashing the powerstroke. The Ford/powerstroke is a nice package. They run good, get almost as good mileage. The injection is complicated and expensive and longevity is not as good. But to each his own.



It makes you appear to be insecure when you have to trash the other persons choice of truck.



Yes I chose the Dodge/Cummins for obvious reasons. I regularly drive/ride in fords and I like them too. The new ISB scares the hell out of me with the common rail gismo stuff.



Whenever a Ford guy tries to rag on me I just ask them what engines are available in a F650... . ISB, CAT, Ford I-6 but no powerstroke. It makes you wonder why the powerstroke doesn't make the list. Ford makes a great I-6 but I think the block is a little large for a pickup.

 

[Wayno]

I do not know if this has anything to do with the price of horse feed in Texas, but I work for the state and we just got a new maintainer and guess what kind of motor is in it? Its not a International(Powerstroke). We also have a Grade-all with a 5. 9 cummins in it and I have seen it run for eight hours wide open , govern out for 8 hours a day, day after day with out any problems to the cummins. And its a old machine too. I dont think we have any Powerstrokes in any of the heavy equipment. You would be surprised how many people would not own a International farm tractor but would buy a Massey or JohnDeere farm tractor, but they drive a Ford with a Powerstroke. Oh and just for the record,I own a International farm tractor,but it aint got no Powerstroke in it !!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Johnboy3]

Wayno, a diesel engine running at 1200-1500 rpm at prolly 125 horse isn't any great achievement. The 5. 9 is used in tons of equipment. We have several of them. They are a nice package that fits, runs goods, and starts nice. I do agree there, but it doesn't make the Powerstroke any less of an engine.



If anyone actually understood the engine half life ratings, they would realize that both engines are rated the same. The light duty and medium duty stuff is for emmisions purposes.



Finally all three truck makers have a good diesel engine in their pickups. We have come along way. I used to drive a 7. 3 N/A F-350 (still got one ) that did the job, but no very fast. My dad had a 90 5. 9 5-speed 3500 that ran alright after he turned it up, but it wouldn't touch any of the new trucks now. We used to have a 91 auto 5. 9, that truck was a toad, period. We've come along way. If a modified truck back in 1990 ran like one off the showroom floor today, it would have been a hotrod back then. I can't wait to see what another ten years brings us. (I'm dreaming of 550 hp twin turboed 12 speed trans right from the factory )



Everyone has their own reasons for buying what truck they did, 90% of those people are happy with what they bought. It's the 10% that aren't that we always hear from.

 

[Irontrader]

The first V8 tractor that I know of was the 1914 Common Sense tractor. This pre-dates the 1932 Ford V8 by quite a few years.



In 1906 Glenn Hammond Curtiss built the worlds first V8 engined motorcycle. In 1907 on January 24th, Glenn Hammond smashed the land speed record at Ormond Beach in Florida, reaching an amazing 137mph.





The Cadillac V8 came out in 1915.

 

[ramfan2]

"If anyone actually understood the engine half life ratings, they would realize that both engines are rated the same. The light duty and medium duty stuff is for emmisions purposes"



Johnboy3



The emissions may be part of it, but the light duty and medium duty mostly refers to the life of the engine before a rebuild. I don't have the numbers in front of me. It is something like 200K for the light duty engine and 400k for the medium duty (Cummins). From what were seeing in mileage numbers, 400k may be a on the low end.



Chris

 

[cold Diesel]

The reason I bought the Dodge was because they last way longer and are more reliable period. I live way up north and work in the oil industry. Some companies use the Ford and others the Dodge. The big difference is that the fords only seem to be able to take about 250K Km of abuse before they need a new motor. the Dodges seem to last 600 to 700K Km with the same type of abuse!! I wanted the best..... so I bought the best!!

 

[LarryB]

Anyone remember where that picture of the Chev, Ford, and Cummins rods is? I posted it here a few months back but can't find it now. It is an amazing visual comparison that's hard to dispute. Sure would go nice in this thread.

 

[GBall]

Larry we've seen it a thousand times. No big deal usually they blow a head gasket or somthing. I haven't heard of them throwing rods all that much. I have heard of some and I've heard of the cummins breaking apart to. So the pic. just means they new they would need to boost the crap out of them to get the power they do. As far as oil feilds go I know they use the fords by almost double as the truck itself seems to hold up. The cummins can go 400,000 up there but the trucks themselvs are in rough shape. Later Oo. Evil GBall

 

[LarryB]

:-laf You're funny! :-laf

 

[Cummins4Life]

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Rod envy... . not a pretty sight. :{

 

[LarryB]

LOL :-laf



Thare it is! Thanks C4L. Now listen to em cry! :-laf

 

[Johnboy3]

I will admit that the picture of the rods is impressive. I may even have a touch of rod envy!



The light duty and medium duty rating has nothing to do with the life of the engine. Find the figures, actually read them without a Cummins loving slant, and you'll see what I'm talking about.



Fords out out number the Dodges in the oilfields around here 10 to 1 if not more. Although I will say the folks around here that do have Dodges are pretty happy with them. The only complaints they have are the crappy Dodge brakes and front end.