Waiting to bomb...good idea?

[JyRO]

Howdy!

For those of you who have had to put up with my b. s. , I think I may be on the verge of giving in and doing some slight bombing (275's). My problem is, my truck is an ETC. So far, I think its the only ETC/DEE I've heard of. Anyway... .

I'd rather bomb an ETH, because regardless of what I do to this (ETC) truck, an equivalently prepared ETH will still out perform it. Also, I would like to have a 4 door truck (although, I won't be buying a what I've seen so far. Which is a quad cab with normal doors, versus our suicide doors. I want a big cab like you can get with the Ford SD).

What do you guys think? Please give me your opinions! Should I save the money I'd lose on bombing this ETC and put it on an ETH 4 door, then bomb? But I'm not sure if DC will make a real 4 door truck, that's the only way I'd sell mine is to get a BIG 4 DOOR CAB. I've seen DC's excuse they're calling a 4 door for the 1500's. All that is, is a QC with the doors reversed IMO.

If there's no real 4 door coming, I'll be bombing this ETC. Questions, comments, suggestions, concerns? #ad


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Y2K 2500 Cummins ETC/DEE, SLT+, 4X4, Quad, LB, Intense Blue Sport, 3. 54 LSD, rear aux. springs (camper special), sliding rear window, all options except cab clearance lights including agate leather, totally stock engine, silencer ring removed, "stealth," mod to run fogs with high beam. Since everybody else listed their toys, I will too.
1995 Kawasaki ZX6-R (For Sale)
1990 Toyota Celica
1983 Mazda RX-7 GSL (For sale)

 

[1tuffram]

The crew cab rumor has been going around for a few years now. Crew cab in 2003?? Bean counters at DC probably say as long as quad cab keeps selling like it is, no need to pull a new trick from the hat.

I would start BOMBing and IF the crew cab comes later then consider selling. Personally I would wait for one or two model years before I bought something new on the market. Let any major kinks get worked out. I'm sure these new "next generation" Rams are going to have a fair amount of problems crop up the first few years.

Just my humble opinion

PS: correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the ETC have more bombing potential (or easier to bomb) than the ETH? I get the impression the ETH ECM and VP44 pump are hampering bombing a bit (but this problem is starting to be overcome).

[This message has been edited by 1tuffram (edited 03-07-2001). ]

 

[Alan Reagan]

Jyro, One of the guys in Atlanta a couple of weeks ago for the SETDR day at STP has an ETC with the DD box and injectors. That thing will outrun electricity. It's fast and it sounds great and will give the ride of your life. It will definitely outperform my ETH.

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2001 HO 6 spd 2500, 4. 10 LSD, Towing Package, Electric Brakes, SPA EGT/Boost Gauges, Fog Lights, Real Backup Lights, Molded Running Boards

 

[JyRO]

Alan - If your ETH had the same mods as his ETC, wouldn't you be able to outrun him?

1tuffram - I don't know if the ETC has more bombing potential or not. But I do know that mine doesn't have those pesky void stickers on any of the wires. Hehehehe. #ad


- JyRO

 

[klenger]

JyRO:

How did you get a ETC / DEE? Isn't that the standard engine with the 6 speed transmission. Did you swap out the transmission, or am I confusted?

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Ken Lenger
On Order - 2001. 5 2500 QC 4X4 SWB SLT, ETC/DDX 5 Speed, 3. 55 (no antispin), camper group, trailer folding mirrors, RBR CD/Radio, LT265/75R16E AT OWL tires, trailer tow group, Patroit Blue / Agate,
Replaces 98 Jeep Grand Cherokee V8 which is for sale.
Trailite 21' Travel Trailer, ~4000 lbs loaded.

 

[JyRO]

Ken - I saw the 6 speed was available in the 2000 brochure, early in 1999. I went to the dealer and ordered the truck, and ensured with them that the 6 speed was available, and ordered it. I wasn't a member of the TDR or I might have had enough information to wait for the HO (ETH).

- JyRO

[This message has been edited by JyRO (edited 03-07-2001). ]

 

[CUMINNTSTRKN]

i'm pretty sure the etc/dee has a smaller input shaft than the eth/dee. as far as bombing your etc is the way to go. you can put a fueling box on and see huge hp gains where as the eth doesn't respond well to the fueling boxes. with a fueling box and nothing else you can get over 100hp gains.
this is edges product. if you do any of these thing make sure you have gauges.
http://www.edgeproductsinc.com/dodge_comp.html

jim


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2001 eth, ez box, dd2's

 

[Guest00]

You might try what I am doing. For $850 you can get the Dodge ( Cummins ) 505 lbft ECM. This will give you the same performance as a HO with more potential for bombing as your VP44 pump will supply more fuel than the ETH inj pump. This route will give you the extra performance without over riding stock ECM fueling and timing program.

 

[Scrmbld4X4]

MikeR, that's what I thought. Seems like this combination would make the best truck to "bomb".

 

[JyRO]

Hmmmm. So my truck is a good one to bomb, huh? I didn't mean to say that my truck doesn't have potential, I just thought it may be wiser to start from a more powerful platform to begin with.

But from what I'm hearing, I may have the best platform to work with. Scrmbld, and Mike R - you guys are the 1st I have heard that either has or knows of someone who has an ETC/DEE. Believe it or not. Love mine. Looks like I may have lucked out and bought a good combo (ETC/DEE), especially for pulling.

Thanks for the good info guys, keep it coming. I think I'll start a matrix to determine the best bombing options for me.

- JyRO

 

[BLACKRAM]

Call Diesel Dynamics. They can get you all of the power you ever dreamed about.

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1999 2500 4x4, auto, 3. 54, HD241, Quad cab SLT, Blk Sport Pkg, 285 Bridgestone AT, Amsoil.
1992 SC400
1978 Mooney 201 IFR

 

[klenger]

Is the ETC/DEE combo available in 2001. 5? I don't remember ever seeing it as a valid combination on the Dodge website or anywhere else. Did I screw up but not ordering it? I hope I can get over my regrets for not ordering the ETH/DEE, and a few other things I took off at the last minute. Maybe I'll feel better once it gets here and I can touch it.

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Ken Lenger
On Order - 2001. 5 2500 QC 4X4 SWB SLT, ETC/DDX 5 Speed, 3. 55 (no antispin), camper group, trailer folding mirrors, RBR CD/Radio, LT265/75R16E AT OWL tires, trailer tow group, Patroit Blue / Agate,
Replaces 98 Jeep Grand Cherokee V8 which is for sale.
Trailite 21' Travel Trailer, ~4000 lbs loaded.

 

[Mopar-muscle]

JNUTTER , question , did you trade in your auto equipped ram for a stick ? last i knew there was no uprated ecm for auto equipped rams ? can you clarify your statement ?

i haven't paid much attention but have seen in passing that ETH bombing is different that ETC bombing becuase of the injection pump . those with the ETC and 6 speed have a good combo as it is easy to get 500 plus flywheel HP out of an ETC #ad
#ad
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klenger the only regret you will have is the missing gear , but your trailer weight isn't heavy enough to cause you to worry , or second guess . BOMBs away #ad

 

[Scrmbld4X4]

Jyro, will be putting my puck on the ETC/6spd truck in the near future. He tows an enclosed sled trailer that kicks his butt in the wind. Will let you know. From what limited amount I know the ETC motor can be made into a very wild machine for not a lot of $$ or hassle. Just depends on how much you want. I'm content (for now... ) with my puck and PS boost module, especially with the trailer/Jeep in tow.

 

[My 6 Eats V8's Old File]

at this time we know the eth has electrical problems, it responds better to the ez than the hot pe, so injectors,ez, and turbo are about max for it(along with a clutch)425hp.
the etc is the same as hvac's truck and can be made to have exteem power, dd 4's, hot pe(or comperable), ez, and even twin turbos to put you well over 500hp.

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96 4x4, 3. 54 posi, 6. 5"lift, 35" bfg m/t's and 35x14. 5x16. 5 boggers,dual stabalizers, aluminium wheels, sport headlights,billet grill, K/N 0880, NOS, Performance Diesel LPG, BD Pulling/Competition fuel injection pump,370hp marine injectors, ported head, Hx40 w/ 16cm2, 4" exhaust w/ 2 chamber Flomaster, BD copetition auto transmission and torque converter, Kenwood sterio System, Westach 60lb boost/ egt guage with warning light,aluminium bed rail covers,chrome diff covers, 5 foot traction bars,
475hp and 1050lb of torque on #2
530hp and 1140 with bullydog lpg maxed(only 55hp)
590hp and 1200 with lpg and nos
all done in 5th gear with 35's.
have a great day.
Adam

 

[Todd T]

what are you guys talking about, the difference between the ETC and ETH is not the pump. from 98. 5 and up they all have the VP44 pump the ETH is the six speed option and HX35 turbo with 12cm2 housing
and the ECM is programed different to allow 3PSI more boost. as far as i can tell the ETH is a waste of $$$ if you plan to bomb anyway, 15hp could be made up easily and you could take the $600 you saved by getting the 5spd. to do it. i got a 01 5spd with HX35 turbo for thousands less than the HO truck next to it. and i will laugh all the way to the parts counter at DD for some III's

as far as ETC/DEE that is cool. . #ad





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Todd,
2001 Q-cab SB 4x4 5spd 3. 55's, A pillar Boost/EGT,Jardines 4" turboback kit, and more to come...

 

[Scrmbld4X4]

A buddy of mine has one, 2000 QC 2500 235 Hp motor & 6 speed. Off the lot nothing custom.

Now for the million dollar question, What clutch does the ETC/DEE use????? I think this would make the difference. If it uses the ETC clutch, BOMB on #ad
Lot of talk about the ETH/DEE clutch not holding the power.

 

[MikeR]

Jyro,

My truck is also '00 ETC/6spd. There were 1500 6spd trucks built for the '99 model year,and while 6spd production was a bit slow for '00,there were alot of '00 trucks built with the 6spd. I don't know why you don't think yours has potential.

If you have read the posts the modified ETH owners have been doing,you'll see that the ETH with injectors and boxes doesn't seem respond to the mods like the ETC will. It seems the injector pump has a lower limit built in on how much fuel it will flow compared to the ETC pump.

I bought my ETC in Dec of 99,just a week and a half before the ETH came out and I have never second guessed my decision.

Scrmbld,
The ETC/DEE uses the same clutch as the 5spd.

-Mike

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'00 2500,QC,4wd,LWB,Dark Garnet,6spd,3. 54lsd,SLT,DD stage II,Psychotty air,10-level PM3,Jacobs ebrake,Isspro pyro & boost gauges,2wd-low,Airoquip fuel lines,Smittybilt nerfs,BFG 285/75 AT's
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'95 2500,Reg-cab,2wd,LWB,White/Driftwood,Automatic,3. 54open,SLT

[This message has been edited by MikeR (edited 03-07-2001). ]

 

[klenger]

Mopar-muscle

It's not the 4000 lb trailer I concerned about towing, it's the 27 ft 5th wheel that I want to buy. I keep telling myself that I have the same HP as the current automatics and more than the older ones were delivered with. I also have one more gear, although it's a granny. I'm sure it will do fine; it's just second thoughts. The reason I opted for the ETC 5 sp was becasue it seemed to be quieter than the ETH, but I'm not even sure that that is true. It also saved me $1K. Thanks for the comments.

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Ken Lenger
On Order - 2001. 5 2500 QC 4X4 SWB SLT, ETC/DDX 5 Speed, 3. 55 (no antispin), camper group, trailer folding mirrors, RBR CD/Radio, LT265/75R16E AT OWL tires, trailer tow group, Patroit Blue / Agate,
Replaces 98 Jeep Grand Cherokee V8 which is for sale.
Trailite 21' Travel Trailer, ~4000 lbs loaded.

 

[Todd T]

you did Ken, the sixes are troublesome (QC held several times including right now in St. Louis)and 15hp is not felt in the shorts as much as 1k is in the wallet.

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Todd,
2001 Q-cab SB 4x4 5spd 3. 55's, A pillar Boost/EGT,Jardines 4" turboback kit, and more to come...