When is the aftermarket...

[CM_Guest]

My initials are HB? Hitting the juice a little early today, are we? In case you've forgotten, you're posting on a thread I started talking about my ideas for an AFTERMARKET fuel supply pump. One that could be used on pretty much ANY diesel engine in ANY application where its features could be of benefit. I only brought up OEM situations and other manufacturers and other applications and other engines and fuel systems when the ADD-afflicted "experts" started taking issue with my FACTUAL comments on fuel injection system component life being MUCH higher than they claim it is. So I'm really not trying to "compare" anything and just like the NON-EXISTENT AFTERMARKET IDEA I had and described in MY thread, what I've said about fuel systems and service life and maintenance can and does apply ACROSS THE BOARD.

I'm correcting your b.s. claim that an HPCR injector has a kinda-sorta-average service life of 200,000 miles and that an injector that's not functioning properly has "failed'. Because that is exactly what you claimed, I know it to be b.s. on several levels, and you were challenging ME and MY knowledge and experience when you said it. Probably assuming that you'd look smart, I wouldn't pay attention or care and that as a diesel technician I'd never think of challenging someone that no doubt thinks people like him pay my wages. That was a mistake on your part. I've had similar discussions with CUSTOMERS and they don't have any problem accepting the kind of rational and undeniable EVIDENCE I can use to support my argument. Especially when NOTHING I'm saying can do anything but SAVE them money if they're SMART ENOUGH to listen.

There's a world of difference between someone that owns a diesel pickup and could get by with a gas-burner and the guys that use diesel-powered machines to put food on the table and have no other options. And for some reason, even the guys that have owned dozens or hundreds of diesel engines in all kinds of machines over the years and have operated them in the field for tens or hundreds of thousands of miles and actually know more about them than a LOT of regular automotive technicians STILL never act like owning something and having driven it a lot makes them an "expert" on it. I don't consider MYSELF to be an "expert". What I know I've gradually learned every day for 25+ years now. I started working in a local garage part-time after school. I've worked on a lot of machines, a lot of vehicles, a lot of makes, a lot of models and a lot of "failures", real and imagined.

So far I've REPAIRED them all, no matter what it took. And I've made a LOT of mistakes and I've had to eat a LOT of crow. And I have even had to look customers in the eye and tell them I screwed up and it's going to cost them money and time even IF if they weren't paying the bill. Guess what? I'm not an expert and I have no desire to be one. Because anyone who considers themselves to be an expert on anything is obviously just looking for a debate-ender when somebody disagrees with them. Obviously that's not me. You can keep talking and I'll keep responding. And no, I don't care how I "look" doing it. What I do isn't about "looks" and rumors and gossip and "tricks" don't fix anything.

Basically all you've done here is go on tangents and throw ever more feces at the vertical building partition, hoping it will stick. You haven't posted ANYTHING that you can back up with a service manual or TSB or failure-analysis report or even a specific instance you can prove with an invoice for parts and labor. Do you think I can't back up what I say? And now you've gone off the rails yet again and are now claiming that because I stated the FACT that you get CRAPPY diesel engine service and support from a Dodge dealer that somehow that I'M upset because the dealership I work for and the brand I work on somehow is getting the "short end of the stick" by properly supporting it's products.

You really are reaching the "pathetic" end of the "desperation" scale prettyy quickly. I feel that JD is getting the short end of the stick? That's funny. I've worked on JD TWO-CYLINDERS in the shop that were 50+ years old. It all pays the same for me and there isn't a JD dealer in the country that has too many technicians or too little business. I walked into the dealer I work at now after several years of being away from JD dealers and had a job in 5 minutes just by asking for one. Which just proves that your ignorance of the modern diesel industry stretches beyond the nuts and bolts to the parts/sales/service aspects.

What is it YOU do for a living? I'm just curious because I MIGHT be an "expert" on it if I've ever been exposed to it on any level.

 

[CM_Guest]

So what you're saying is that even though I asked a question about something I don't claim to be an expert on, and you didn't know a transmission even existed that I did and posted a smart-@ss comment about it implying I didn't know what I was talking about, that somehow THOSE things make ME a hypocrite or something? When I don't know something I ask someone who does or at least want some opinions. And now that I've done some research and have found a whole PILE of different "experts" who "fixed" the "same" problem with a whole "PILE" of different "solutions", I realize that I'm going to buy a factory service manual, perform factory diagnostics and LEARN THE SYSTEM so I can actually REPAIR the problem with a minimum of effort and money. Or I could just go out and buy another MIRACLE BOLT-ON so I can brag about how I "fixed" my problem on the internet.

 

[CM_Guest]

Is there a point you're trying to make with this meaningless link to a fuel cooler installation in a Dodge pickup? What are you trying to say? That I STOLE my fuel cooler idea from a comment I never saw on a subject I never searched on a board I just joined? That's funny. Uh, I realized the benefits of cooler fuel back in high school when I read Hot Rod magazine religiously and saw drag cars with fuel coolers. It made sense. It's pretty basic physics. So I'lll ask again, what is your point? And what's your point in trolling my comments looking for something you can say "gotcha" about? You're pretty pathetic.

 

[CM_Guest]

And by the way, I wasn't asking you WHAT that smart controller is OR what it does. I don't even care. I asked you if you bought it to compensate for something. It's called HUMOR and SARCASM. But I get that "humor" = smilies for you.

 

[SnoKing]

And by the way, I wasn't asking you WHAT that smart controller is OR what it does. I don't even care. I asked you if you bought it to compensate for something. It's called HUMOR and SARCASM. But I get that "humor" = smilies for you.

Well is sounds like you have learned a lot after posting this on 3/13/14, I guess you are a quick study!

"47RE shift point / lockup advice anyone?
So I bought a cherry 2002 2500 Quad-Cab and I love everything about the truck EXCEPT the way the transmission shifts. Or maybe it's the way it DOESN'T shift. I've NEVER seen a more poorly calibrated transmission when it comes to shift points and converter lockup. There isn't any slippage in the transmission and the converter holds fine once it finally locks in and as long as its 70 mph or over. But if I sort of idle away from a stop sign and then peg the throttle, the engine will run up to 2800-3000 rpm and just HANG THERE forever before it shifts. And of course there's NO boost left by the time it shifts. If I ease into it more and then sort of progressively roll into the throttle it accelerates much more quickly. I think I can probably do 0-60 faster at half throttle than at full throttle and I'm not even joking. And what really irritates me is that it's just the OPPOSITE on the top end. I can slowly accelerate up to 65 mph or so and the trans will have been in OD and the converter locked up for several seconds. If I keep that same rate of acceleration (slow) up to and past 70 it will stay in OD and locked up but if I get on it then it just goes NOWHERE. But if I hit 65 and then really lean into it, the converter unlocks INSTANTLY and if I keep my foot down it'll DOWNSHIFT TO DRIVE a second later. At 70 mph. I guess my '94 just spoiled me and I'm used to being able to come up behind somebody running 65, pulling out into the hammer lane, punching it and seeing 38-40 on the boost gauge and being around them and back in the right lane at 75 in under 10 seconds. The 2002? I pulled out to pass someone at 60 the other day when there was a car probably 3/4-mile down the road and I honestly didn't think I was going to get back over in time because as soon as I pulled out and punched it, the damn thing downshifted and there I sat at 2500 rpm or so in drive going NOWHERE and when I lifted it upshifted and there I sat in OD going nowhere so I leaned into it and back down we went. Nice. Any way you slice it, this truck is a DOG all over the tach and speedo compared to my '94. Granted, my '94 is a regular cab with 4.10s and I'd conservatively estimate it's probably good for 275 hp at the flywheel or so and it gets there in a hurry with the little turbo Im running. But I always thought that '94 was TERRIBLE when it came to holding a gear WAY too long. But it shifts like a manual valvebody Torqueflite compared to my new truck. The '02 is a stocker and I'm sure it could run a little better than it does but that's not going to improve the shifting. And I KNOW that stock Dodge Cummins torque converters are WAY too loose and I plan to address THAT, as well. But what can I do in the meantime to get this thing to get out of gears faster down low and stay in gear up high? Do any of the aftermarket tuners affect shift points at all? Like I said, I KNOW it needs a converter and that a tighter converter will help it all over the place and improve economy too. But as far as the transmission goes, I don't plan to get crazy with the power and I'm NOT going to spend $5000+ on a transmission for a truck I paid under $15,000 for, lol. I've done automatic transmission work and I rebuild 19-speed powershifts and 16-speed powershifts and do all kinds of gear and wet clutch work all the time. So if I DO any transmission work it will probably literally be me doing the transmission work. And when it comes to that, instead of having the truck dead in the water while I rebuild the existing transmission, I might just try to find a salvage yard core I can take my time building and have ready to put in over a weekend. But if in the meantime anyone knows any tips or tricks to get this thing shifting like a DIESEL PICKUP instead of a GEO METRO, I'd appreciate hearing them"

Then this reply:

"Thank you. I was actually thinking about band adjustments earlier today and the throttle cable occurred to me. I've never adjusted one but I know they're there and what they do. And it's definitely the 1-2 shift that just takes forever. I've got factory body and chassis diagnostics manuals ordered but I don't know what they'll cover. I'm sure I can find the info online. It's probably a good idea to check the transmission anyway. I saw on the Carfax that it was serviced a long time ago but I have no idea what's been done since. I've heard horror stories about servicing high-mileage trannies that were working okay and then having problems, but I'll roll the dice, lol. Do you have much experience with deep pans? I know they hold more fluid and help the transmission run cooler, but it also looks to me like dropping the filter lower is going to work the pump harder and maybe drop pressures some. I was thinking maybe I'd put one on while I'm doing it but I'm not sure they're all they're cracked up to be, either."

 

[cerberusiam]

I'm correcting your b.s. claim that an HPCR injector has a kinda-sorta-average service life of 200,000 miles and that an injector that's not functioning properly has "failed'.

Just to be clear, WHAT would you label an injector that is a) over fueling b) excessively noisy c) exceeding fuel return specs? I call if "failed" but I guess you could take exception to the nomeclature and call it something else. Just to further clarify, they injectors were cleaned prior to replacement to negate a gummed up injector. For one, give me a straight answer, are you still going to insist that this does not constitute a "failed" injector?

I made it very clear that 200k was an AVERAGE, do you not understand that concept? Why don't you call up your favorite Bosch certified repair center and chat with them about AVERAGE mileage on injectors in Dodge trucks? You might get a large surprise in what they consider average. A LOT of them are saying 150k and if the cleaning doesn't work replace them or go somewhere else because they do NOT want the hassle that comes with failing to see the obvious.

I also stated quit clearly that the CR injector are capable of 500k WHEN certain parameters are met. Do you know what the differentiates THESE from the average? How about 2 um filtration, an additive package, and constant run times. Time for a straight answer again, will these 3 contributors make a 2.5 time difference in injector life?

You don't recognize ashphaltenes in the context of present some flawed logic but that is my fault for using big words? Jeez, educate yourself a little bit before throwing that crap out there. FYI, known issue with ULSD along with the water contamination issues. If you ever HAD to work with substandard fuel systems and discover the cause so it could be fixed you would know this already and recognize the applicability, but, you do NOT work on Dodge trucks as a rule you work on tractors that evidently do not suffer the same problems. It doesn't take a lot of criticla thinking to come to a conclusion there are some diffewrences that are contributing.

Make up your mind want you want to discuss. You asked a simple question then polluted it with a lot of personal observations you are trying to pass as fact along whole lot of political whining about the state of affairs. I ask you again, what is wrong with the existing solutions that you find so offensive??

 

[cerberusiam]

So what you're saying is that even though I asked a question about something I don't claim to be an expert on, and you didn't know a transmission even existed that I did

His question was fair as Dodge never used 48RH as a designation. Typos happen but you HB'ized it to another level. If you explained what you meant and that it was typo it would have ended there.

 

[SnoKing]

His question was fair as Dodge never used 48RH as a designation. Typos happen but you HB'ized it to another level. If you explained what you meant and that it was typo it would have ended there.

And he said!

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[CM_Guest]

Dodge never used 48RH for a designation? You sure about that? If they didn't, where did I find that info when I researched my truck? But then again you don't pay much attention to what you're responding to, do you? So you probably don't know what I said about where I found that "designation" Dodge "didn't use". Where do you get this "typo" crap? Its NOT a typo in my signature. My '94 DOES have a 48RH in it. Ever heard of Google? It's okay. You can go Google 48RH and then when you find out that you're wrong you can keep it to yourself.

It's no skin off my nuts if you two experts want to keep trolling my posts and reposting my comments. I wouldn't make them if I was concerned about people seeing them, no would I? Personally I find it funny that the two of you have done nothing but question me for the last few DAYS and have done nothing but post even more b.s. every time you talk. And I don't know or care what HB is all about. Obviously its some term that gets tossed out by people that are easily offended or otherwise so affected by other peoples' opinions that they start categorizing whatever or whoever offends them by attaching some meaningless label to it. That way they can do a forum search for that term and go back and re-read those comments and be offended all over again

. I really don't play those games and I don't care if others want to. My guess is that your MAIN problem with me is that I respond to your comments with reason and facts and INTELLLIGENT humor or sarcasm. Or maybe its because you've been jerking my chain for 2 days and I don't even care enough about you to look at your profile to try to learn what you're about. Why? I don't care. Don't make the mistake of thinking that because I reply to you I have any interest in you, or use for you. Every forum on the internet has its agitators. Usually manipulated or bribed or flattered into trying to agitate someone off the board by another forum member, or members, that ALSO have a problem with that person but aren't going to risk their "reputations" by going public with it. And as long as that person isn't personally offending anyone, they can't cry to a moderator about it either so there's really no action a moderator can take to get rid of them. Even if the MODERATOR wants the individual gone.

It never ceases to amaze me how I can go on an internet forum and then somehow "offend" people without ever even talking about ANYBODY. And if they're not offended by what I say, they're complaining that my comment is too long or that I should use paragraphs or that I'm posting on the wrong forum or blah blah blah. And the next thing I know, there's a couple agitators trolling my comments and just in general being a PITA at all times. Of course they always come on WAY too strong with it, they make mindless and meaningless comments that just BEG for a personal "attack" in response.

When they don't get it and when they're asked politely and privately to stop, they turn the heat up higher. Why would someone do that if they were NOT simply trying to get someone irritated enough to either leave or say something to get them banned? Any ideas? And why would they want to get rid someone who is being the least bit critical of the SUBJECT of the forum when that person suggests ways to SAVE MONEY rather than SPEND MONEY? Hmm. It's a mystery. I wonder if it has anything to do with who bankrolls the website and forums.

 

[Wayne M.]

HB.... I mean CJ, you never answered my question I asked way back. Can you say who the supplier is for JD fuel systems?

I gotta say- for such a hot shot tech, you got a lotta time on your hands. Off today?

 

[CM_Guest]

I'm supposed to be concerned about where something I didn't start ends? There was no typo. Dodge built 48RHs. I researched my truck so I know they did. Or I wouldn't have posted it. I guess I'm supposed to apologize when I'm right in order to "end" something? That's funny. But not as funny as the fact that DAYS after I joined a discussion board someone is OBVIOUSLY going over EVERYTHING I've posted with a magnifying glass looking for mistakes to "get me" with. I'll just go ahead and clear the air right now. I DO make mistakes. A lot of them. I fix them and go on. I'm not ashamed of them or intimidated by someone pointing them out. If I was deeply concerned about my online "image" I'd just stay offline. But here I am. Fire at will.

 

[CM_Guest]

Is it any of your business how I spend my time? I didn't respond to your question? I never saw it. But then again, I DID say at LEAST twice that Deere uses Nippondenso fuel systems and MAYBE Bosch too. I also mentioned that Deere has used a lot of Nippondenso for a long time AND Bosch as well and that the Nippondenso products appear to be Bosch designs built under license. I imagine that NOW you can go search "Nippondenso" and find those comments. And I said that could be the case with the HPCR systems and that they might be Nippondenso-built Bosch designs. I said COULD BE because I have no idea. And don't really care. So OBVIOUSLY I was ducking your question because I didn't know the answer.

 

[SnoKing]

Dodge never used 48RH for a designation? You sure about that? If they didn't, where did I find that info when I researched my truck? But then again you don't pay much attention to what you're responding to, do you? So you probably don't know what I said about where I found that "designation" Dodge "didn't use". Where do you get this "typo" crap? Its NOT a typo in my signature. My '94 DOES have a 48RH in it. Ever heard of Google? It's okay. You can go Google 48RH and then when you find out that you're wrong you can keep it to yourself.

You might want to read this far enough to see that the OP was wrong, and that he had a 46RH like you. Unless you have an one off truck! They did not start the 48 series until 2003 and it was a 48RE! What do we know? cerberusiam only joined the TDR on 10-05-2001 and I have only been around starting 06/29/2001. Oh! And Wayne has been here starting in 8-17-1999! BTW what size of pink T-Shirt should we order for you?

Chris

http://www.dieseltruckresource.com/dev/hot-48rh-t68860.html

 

[Wayne M.]

No CJ I won't do that. Since you're a JD guy and since this is about filtration, I'd often thought that JD used Stanadyne as a filtration supplier. I've seen Stanadyne ads in DIESEL PROGRESS mag and thought the Deere engine mounted OE filter arrangements looked similar to what I saw in print. Their stuff seems nice.

 

[cerberusiam]

There was no typo. Dodge built 48RHs. I researched my truck so I know they did. Or I wouldn't have posted it.

Could there be a possibility where your sourced the info made a typo? Like those don't exist in Owners Manuals, Install instructions, etc.

SNOKING wanted to know the differences between a 47 and 48 RH, why is that so hard to understand. If you researched it then you should have that info at hand to understand it. Maybe since it sounded reasonable you just took it on faith, like lets say see average injector life around 200k? Better filtration make fuel systems last longer?

THAT sword cuts both ways. You nit pick little things, somebody else does it to you but that is a reason to go off the deep end? Sorry, I can't help you.

 

[SnoKing]

CJ, maybe you can look at this and tell me which digit told you that you have a 48RH transmission.

http://dodgeram.org/tech/specs/VIN_decode.htm

Then look at this page and tell me why I do not see 48RH listed

http://dodgeram.org/tech/transmission/4xrh.htm

Ram 2500/3500:
1994-1995 5.9L V8 = 46RH
1994-1995 V10/Diesel = 47RH
1996-2002 5.9L V8 = 46RE
1996-2002 V10/Diesel = 47RE

And then maybe just say, gee guys, I was wrong as now see that I have a 47RH transmission!

Chris

 

[BIGNASTY]

We are in Valencia Ca right now, waiting until the AM so we all can go to Magic Mountain and ride the roll-a-coasters. I plugged into the hotel internet to see what was up and took a look at the TDR site. WOW!!! ALL this and im not involved with it or in it!!!!!!!!!

I did take a quick scan to see what was up on this post and there was one that said something about HB im meen CJ ????? THAT WAS A FOUL BY ANY STANDARDS!!!! but an excellent kick to the GROINS worthy of praise to be sure!!! Oo.

Please keep the fun going, I hope to be able to spend more time finding some Round Card Girls. We are going to Monterrey Calif and then to Sausalito Ca then up the Ca North coast to OR and WA then home so keep it up PLEASE!!!!!!!!



It always happens when im away, you guy's have all the fun!!!!!!! :-laf

 

[SnoKing]

I will be collecting funds(or that funs) for the pink T-Shirt.
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[CM_Guest]

There's nothing funnier than a know-it-all that won't use Google to find out he's wrong. My truck ALSO has an NV241HD transfer case. Let me guess, THOSE don't exist either. Read it and weep...

ATS 3019002116 (ATS Diesel Deep Transmission Pan) applies to the Dodge Cummins Diesel with a 46RE, 46RH, 47RE, 47RH, 48RE, 48RH Transmission from vehicle manufactured date ranging 1988-2007.

How many more references to 48RH transmissions do you want? Did you REALLY think there were 46RHs, 46REs, 47RHs, 47REs and 48REs but NO 48RH? I believe either you or your fellow cyber stalker said something about me just admitting I was wrong or something? So step up to the plate.

 

[CM_Guest]

Is it possible you don't know what you think you do? I already dropped this hammer on your fellow cyber-stalker Snoking and I'm SURE you'll go out of your way to avoid reading it just like you've avoided Google for 8 hours or so now. So here you go. Like I told him, did you really think they made an RH and RE version of EVERY transmission EXCEPT the 48? Man I LOVE shutting down cyber-stalkers that don't know when you quit...

ATS 3019002116 (ATS Diesel Deep Transmission Pan) applies to the Dodge Cummins Diesel with a 46RE, 46RH, 47RE, 47RH, 48RE, 48RH Transmission from vehicle manufactured date ranging 1988-2007.

So BOTH of you claim I was wrong, it's a typo, etc. Your buddy says I can't get the transmission info from a VIN, even though I DID. Clearly he not only has NO idea what he's talking about when it comes to Dodge transmissions, he ALSO doesn't know that you can email Chrysler your VIN and they'll email you a copy of the "build sheet" for your truck. And both of you were running your mouths about how I should just admit being wrong. So which one of you is going to MAN UP FIRST?