Who sell's the most diesel's in pick-ups?

[Rob Thomas]

Dodge, Phord, Chebby... ... ... ... ... ... ..... who sells the most? Anybody know?





Later, Rob

 

[RichR]

Edjamakated Guess

I would say Ford due to the high amount of service fleet sales. I just was in Orlando,Powerstrokes in evrerything>

RichR

 

[tgbol]

In shear numbers F*rd sell more diesels. As a precentage of total truck sales Dodge sells more.

 

[Johnboy3]

I'm pretty sure...

That the ratio is aobut ten Ford Powerstroke trucks sold for every one Dodge Cummins. I'll try and dig up the figures to be sure.

 

[klenger]

I wonder what the ratio would be in comparable models. For example, Dodge didn't have SRW 1 ton or crew cab trucks. What would the ratios be on 3/4 ton Dodge quad cab vs Ford?

 

[tarussell]

I agree with all that has been said. From what I have read Ford sells more diesel light trucks than anyone ( fleet service ) and Dodge sells more diesel's compared to total number of trucks sold,meaning most Dodge owners are looking for a diesel only. I don't know where GM stands but I know they have been playing catch-up since 1994 when the Powerstroke and the 2nd Gen. Dodge's came out;isn't competition great.

 

[Rob Thomas]

I wonder why that is? Why would one want to buy a pherd, (sorry Johnboy ) If the Dodge/Cummins typicly whips the compitition in racin', pullin', reliability, and the list goes on and on, why not buy a Dodge/Cummins?



Is it that the uninformed are skeptical cause ours are ONLY 6 cylinders? I'm not lookin' to start a war, or even an argument, I'm just curious as usual.



Even if we have an occasional engine problem, we can access most parts of the engine in meer minutes, where as the "V" trucks need the whole day of strippin' parts to even find the engine burried in the mess, so they can't be buyin' them for ease of maintainance.



Maybee it's a "noise" issue, some people like 'em quite I suppose.



Or maybee it's that people are still in that "I ain't buyin' no old Dodge" phase of yesteryear.



Whatever the reason, I just wanna know, not that I care what someone buys, just what made they're mind up, to buy what they did, thats all.



Later, Rob

 

[HEMI®Dart]

Rob,



I think it's mainly a lack of knowledge about Diesel engines.

 

[gitchesum]

Advertising, horsepower and cab configurations.



Ford and Chevy defiantely have the market on cab configurations. I know MANY people that would buy a real crew cab Dodge over a crew cab Ford anyday. Problem is, Dodge won't make one.



Ford has always advertised their Powerstroke diesel well. Dodge IMO had faltered in that area. I still haven't seen an advertisement from DC on the new HD trucks or the old ones for that fact. . I've seen 4 Ford SD commercials and plenty Chevy HD commercials though. Most people see these TV ads, they look at HP numbers and they look at whe truck fits their lifestyle. They could care less which truck has the superior engine. So far, Dodge has been on the bottom of the scale on all 3 points. Not looking for flames here, just stating what I believe are facts.



Last year, Dodge only offered a regular cab and quad cab. This year they only offer a regular cab and a quad cab. Ford and Chevy both offer full crew cabs, extended cabs, and regular cabs in long bed and short bed options. I think Dodge did a good thing by adding a SWR 3500 to the stable. That would be the truck that would interest me the most. I like the extra paylod when I need it but I'm really starting to dislike the "hips" in Houston. Damn lanes are way to narrow here.



Last year, Dodge had the lowest HP rating of all three trucks. This year they got it right and went over the 300hp mark. That might draw some people in. The quieter diesel(and I mean quiet) will attract some people to the diesel engine since alot of people don't care for the rattle that most of us have come to enjoy.



Also, Ford sells a lot fo fleet vehicles. A lot of oil companies buy thousands of trucks every year. That would account for a lot of sales.



Now, all of this babble is my opinion only and I might be wrong.

 

[Shovelhead]

I wonder how much of it could be that Ford might stand behind their warranty better than DC?

 

[gitchesum]

Originally posted by Shovelhead

I wonder how much of it could be that Ford might stand behind their warranty better than DC?

That's starting to change. Ford has denied a couple of warranties due to things they have read on the F-D.com site. One of the warrantee denials was on an engine. Big ticket item there man.

 

[illflem]

Originally posted by Rob Thomas

I wonder why that is? Why would one want to buy a pherd, (sorry Johnboy ) If the Dodge/Cummins typically whips the compitition in racin', pullin', reliability, and the list goes on and on, why not buy a Dodge/Cummins?

The engine probably has little to do with the decision to buy a Ford. You'll have to admit the Dodge part of a Ram is full of problems not to mention lousy dealer service from DC. And what about recalls, I've had 12 on my '95s, my PSD buddy with the same year has had one. Reliability extends far beyond the engine.



I recently met a mechanic for the US Forest Service, they are required to buy trucks from all three manufacturers and rarely keep them beyond warranty. He said that by far the Dodges were in the shop more, mainly for non-engine related issues. We're talking the experence of hundreds of trucks over a 12 year period.

 

[tarussell]

I know some of the folks who order trucks for power company's and service fleets and they are more familiar with the Ford product than what Dodge has to offer. In the late eighties Ford addressed the ton and a-half market with the first Super Duty's( 10 Lug ) and they have always offered a SRW F-350,I know that a well equiped Dodge 2500 is equal but the average person doesn't and it seems that Ford offers more choices to the uninformed fleet buyer. Ford agressively advertises the industrial side of thier trucks and that seems to help. People will buy what they are familiar with not just what is the bottom dollar dictates.



I know of one company that gave a Ford dealer thier whole contract partly because the F-450's offered dual altenators and other specialties that Dodge and GM did not offer. I guess it was like one stop shopping.

 

[Cummins Cowboy]

I think brand loyalty plays a big part in truck sales. Ford and chevy have always been the big sellers, they have more people who are brand loyal. There are people out there that think GM stands for god motors, when i feel that the fit and finish on their products are some of the worst ever on vehicles. If it isn't put together well makes you wonder what else is they cut corners on. my dad's '02 GMC envoy for example the hood was on crooked, the fenders are not on straight and the rear bumper has a 1/4 inch more gap on one side than the other. In response to illflems remarks my last job had approx 30 vehicles in its fleet, mostly dodges, about 3 fords and only 2 chevy's. Those 2 chevy's gave us more probs than all the other vehicles combined. I used to be brand loyal to chevy and ford and leary of dodge unsure of their product and probably would never buy one. That all changed the first time I drove one.

 

[Champane Flight]

Want

I know Ford sells more diesel powered light trucks than Dodge. Of course they always have, mostly return customers. I have owned Fords before and can say they do build a good light truck. I would not buy another V diesel again EVER. I have had my fill of them in the past.



What I have found in my experience is that the Ford is a more stable light truck on the dirt. The Dodge is better on the pavement. I am sure this can be retified by upgrading the Dodge suspension, but stock to stock Ford wins. Power is the deciding factor for me, I will take the Cummins, and Mopar. I do all my own service and repair.



If properly maintained the Dodge will outlast and have less problems than the Ford. Preventive maintainence is the key. We have two 2001 Ford 250s at work and they are abused, at 35000 miles, the doors won't close right, the road noise is tremendous, and the windsheilds crack (because of loose cabs). The seats are uncomfortable and leave me with back pain after 400 miles of dirt. My Dodge has a tight cab still and the seats are comfortable with over 80000 miles. I am sure though if my Dodge had a steady diet of dirt and two tracks it would have problems to.



I would still buy the Dodge. Just like em.

 

[Davey]

There was an advertising banner in my dealership last year stating that, in Alberta, Dodge outsells Ford and GM (3/4 and 1 tons) when equipped with a diesel engine.

Damn, are we Albertans a smart bunch or what?

 

[Snow man]

Ford outsells Dodge big time around here. Rob,most guys dont care if a highly modified Dodge wins pulls,dragraces,and has an engine that will last twice as long as Ford's. I can think of a lot of reasons to buy a Ford,there dealers around here are 10X better than the dodge dealers,configurations Ford offers over 40 configurations,Dodge doesnt even offer 1/2 that, until this yr. Stock power ,especially with autos,goes to Ford,no one buys a 6 speed here,except tow truck comapanys,most trucks sold here are autos,plow trucks especially,they havea roomy crew cab-4 real doors,you dont even bang your knees on the B pillar when you get in them,like you do on the 03 Ram's,the list goes on and on,nice towing mirrors,etc,etc,etc.

 

[apkole]

Ah, there's a question. How much useable torque/hp actually makes it to the ground with any of these Big Three manufacturers? I thought I read awhile back that the F--d lost alot of the engine output by the time it got to the ground. Any one have any dyno numbers for the stock trucks with similar gearing and configuration??



Andy

 

[Rob Thomas]

Yea, I see the point of more configurations, it seems as though DC should wake-up and compete. I've been lucky around here, my local dealer is great, they have good, fast and accurate service, no complaints.



Later, Rob

 

[Steve M]

I have to agree with the 6 versus v8 theory. Most folks who could afford a diesel pickup don't know anything about diesels or gas engines for that matter. All they know is, six cylinders are underpowered engines and V8 means powerful. It's hard for the current pickup uneducated to get past that. The first time my dad rode in mine he replied, "this thing really gets up and goes don't it! Is this a V8 diesel?" No it's a big six... "Really? Well I'll be damned! It's got some power don't it!" He remembers the sixes in Mavericks and Chevelles that were real dogs compaired to the V8s. To those who don't know any better that's the basis for thier impression of the mighty Cummins. To the contrary, my happiness with my F150 300cid straight six with 5spd/3. 55 ratio is what led me to the straight six Cummins diesel in the Dodge. A '95 auto/3. 54, a '98 5spd/4. 10 and now my 01. 5 auto/3. 55.

On the other hand, Dodge made the ugliest trucks on the planet in the 60s and 70s with the exception of the IH p'up. Ford and Chevy looked pretty good and had a good reputation. That built some serious brand loyalty. Why stray from a good thing. THey'll never know what they're missing. We have a lot of Mopars in our family and we're very happy with them.