Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) Who's got the new tank mounted lift pump??

[.44 mag]

Who's got the tank mounted lift pump that the dealers are installing now? I just got my truck back yesterday from the dealership after installing a new VP44 and the tank mounted fuel pump under the tail end of my warranty. This is the first and hopefully the last time it goes to the dealer for anything. If the cost of the parts wasn't so darn much, I would have done it myself.



I was wondering how others have had their wiring etc. installed for this retrofit. On my truck they just zip-tied a relay harness to some loose wire under the hood and ran an in-line fuse to the left side battery + post terminal. The harness ties into the old lift pump connector and looks like it runs down to the body harness connector behind the left front wheel well. This just seems really poorly done and prone to corrosion etc. It sure doesn't look "Factory. "



I want to know if this is just what to expect with the poor quality of mechanics and general lack of quality these days; or if I've got a legitimate complaint. The VP44 install looks OK eccept for a few mis-matched bolts and such. The truck doesn't seem to have as much power as I think it had before, but I haven't had the chance to really run it yet.



Just curious what others are finding.



Thanks!

 

[BILLYGEE]

Say What ?

Are you telling me the dealer installed the new lift pump retrofit kit in the tank under warranty at no cost to you? If so, there is gonna be a lot of po'd 24V owners like myself that have spent extra money on mods to help the poorly designed oem set-up. The phone is gonna be ringing off the wall at DC unless they recall every one! :-{}

 

[.44 mag]

Yep, it was a warranty item. I've got about five months left on my 5 year / 100,000mi. std. warranty.



Truck went in with a 216 code and check engine light. I had already been to my local Cummins shop to confirm what I thought about the VP44 going bad. They told me the price of a new one and I decided to try and get the dealer to warranty it. I went in strong about the VP44 replacement and dealer told me that they would handle it. Seems that the dealer can no longer get the std. engine mounted lift pump assembly, everything from this point on that comes in gets the in-tank retrofit.



I don't have a fuel press. gauge yet, so I can't post any numbers. Truck runs fine and it sure sounds like this is a better set-up for getting the fuel to the engine.

 

[JeffWhite]

Let you know in a few days, mine goes in day after tomorrow for

in-tank/VP.

 

[jrobinson2]

... On my truck they just zip-tied a relay harness to some loose wire under the hood and ran an in-line fuse to the left side battery + post terminal... .

Thanks!

Move it to one of the studs where the main power feeds connect in the PDC, no problems with corosion there.



Jared

 

[DavidC]

Are you telling me the dealer installed the new lift pump retrofit kit in the tank under warranty at no cost to you? If so, there is gonna be a lot of po'd 24V owners like myself that have spent extra money on mods to help the poorly designed oem set-up. The phone is gonna be ringing off the wall at DC unless they recall every one! :-{}

Sorry to say but do you think DC really cares?. Look how much money they saved holding out for most of the warranties to expire and how much they can make with people buying the new system. I will go aftermarket before DC sees any more money from my pocket. After the 53 episode we traded the wifes 02 Dakota for a Toyota Sienna. Never thought I would see the day I would own a foreign vehicle. That is the way Detroit and the lousy customer service is moving people to imported vehicles. Hopefully the foreigners will take better care of the customers.



Dave

 

[no-xqsz]

My LP was replaced under warranty 2 weeks ago with the in-tank version. I have a stock truck and the FP is 7-8psi at idle and 3 at WOT. I have been able to even pull it to 0 psi on a couple of occasions. That's much worse than the failing old LP.



I plan on installing one of the vulcan big line kits to see if that helps.

 

[no-xqsz]

My first reply was to the wrong thread. Sorry for the re-post.



My LP was replaced under warranty 2 weeks ago with the in-tank version. I have a stock truck and the FP is 7-8psi at idle and 3 at WOT. I have been able to even pull it to 0 psi on a couple of occasions. That's much worse than the failing old LP.



I plan on installing one of the vulcan big line kits to see if that helps.

 

[isb360]

Apologies in advance if this is a silly question, but I haven't been following the in-tank retrofit scene very closely: Can the in-tank retrofit be installed while leaving the existing engine-mounted LP in place, kind of like a modified pusher pump set up?



Anyone have any luck getting partial or full credit from DCX on an out-of-warranty vehicle? I'm on LP #4 at 129k miles.



Thx



Tim

 

[JeffWhite]

It's in, but not sure about it yet

Just got back from picking it up at the dealer, 8 psi at idle, pulls down to

5 real easy. No WOT yet. Haven't looked under the hood yet to see how

well they did either, about afraid to. My original LP was still kicking 15+

idle, and over 10 WOT - Man, I don't like the looks of that pressure.

Seems like when you do roll into it, it hits 1000 deg. (pre) a lot easier than

it used to though. They put a new VP on, reason for changing the LP too.

Never said a word about it till I picked up the truck, but when I did, he

said "check back tomorrow, see if they charge a deductible - some they

do, some they don't" What is this B. S. ? Never heard of deductible on a

regular factory warranty, but this is the first new vehicle I've ever owned...

If you hear a loud noise tomorrow, it is me blowing my top at the dealership.

For the record, its an '02 (see sig) bought july of 02, now with 54,000 and

change showing. When I first pulled out of the lot, it felt DEAD in second,

just why I carried it in, dead pedal fits, and throwing 0216's - I got a bad

feeling about this, but I have been out of the truck for two days, driving a

v-6 gasser, so maybe it was my imagination...

 

[JeffWhite]

NOPE, not my imagination, full blown dead pedal twice in about 12 miles

going home, and 0216 when I got home. And coming in this morning, pulled

the fp down to 2 psi in fifth just getting up to speed on the four lane,

unloaded. Going back to the dealer today, the saga continues...

 

[nps]

Deductible is $100 on the 5/100 Cummins extended warranty.



My mind is made up - 2 posters with low FP from the in-tank LP. Mine's staying out of the tank - don't need more garbage inside the tank when (if) the time comes to change it.

 

[Jeepmullet]

NOPE, not my imagination, full blown dead pedal twice in about 12 miles

going home, and 0216 when I got home. And coming in this morning, pulled

the fp down to 2 psi in fifth just getting up to speed on the four lane,

unloaded. Going back to the dealer today, the saga continues...

:{ :--)





maybe they'll pay for your RASP pump! :-laf

 

[JeffWhite]

Update, went back this morning - due to some sort of confusion, they did

NOT put on the VP, just the in tank swap I could have probably told

them just dropping the fuel pressure in half would not fix it. Mechanic

called it "new VP time", shop boss said OK, go for it, but parts got mixed up

and didn't order it, so when it came time, mechanic thought something had

changed, and just put on what they gave him. New VP is on order, no word

on how long it'll be though. Said it was showing up 0 or negative in the

'puter at most of their locations, might get one out of Denver. :{

On the deductible, said "N/A" , no charge. We shall see if that stays the

same with the VP install. Daddy told me I shoulda bought a Durajunk.

Not yet, but by the time this is over, I may look. Go ahead and jump on me,

I know about their problems too, just pi**ed right now with D/C.

You know, folks were so quick to condemn the 5. 7 GM diesel, I can't see

much difference what with all the LP,VP,53 block stuff, as far as reliability.

I guess it has more to do with at least when the 5. 9 IS running, it is a hoss,

where the 5. 7 couldn't have pulled a greased string out of whatever's behind... Jeepmullet, on the RASP - yeah, I'm holding my breathe on that

 

[jjordan1]

I just had my VP 44 replaced under warranty. They told me since i have 5# psi on the lift pump they cant replace the lift pump to the in tank set up. Seems to be holding 5psi on start w\12psi running around town.

 

[Fishin Guide]

Never thought I would see the day I would own a foreign vehicle. That is the way Detroit and the lousy customer service is moving people to imported vehicles. Hopefully the foreigners will take better care of the customers.



Dave

You honestly don't think that your current vehicle isn't "Foreign"? Look at who's running the show at Dodge! It's not a make anymore, it's a reconized name badge.



Dave

 

[diesel DOG]

I just had my VP 44 replaced under warranty. They told me since i have 5# psi on the lift pump they cant replace the lift pump to the in tank set up. Seems to be holding 5psi on start w\12psi running around town.

Mine is about the same

 

[CO Lineman]

Just got off the phone with the local dealer and they want to charge me about $1000 to do the swap... . Thinking I may have to do something else.....

 

[jjordan1]

I had mine done about three weeks ago. All done under warranty. At the time i had 68000 miles. My truck is a 2001\2500. Good Luck

 

[NevadaBackroader]

I have 3000 miles on the in tank pump and new VP44. It pulls down to 3psi at WOT with 10psi at idle. No problems at all even while towing 10,000 pounds. I have 17,000 left on the warranty and am going to run the hell out of it this hunting season.