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Should Cummins raise their output to match the 2020 Powerstroke?

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The 2020 Ford numbers are in... 475 hp @ 2800, 1050 lb-ft @ 1600 hooked to their new 10-speed. Granted, the I-6 design has limitations, but this will certainly test whether FCA and Cummins are willing to test the limits of the 6.7 to keep up... and it will likely require a new transmission with more gears.

I'm thinking when the HDs get the 5th gen cab/body in a couple of years, Cummins may have something to announce. On the other hand... we're getting to where Class 8 engines were a few decades ago in terms of power output.
 
This Ram review by Fleet Owner was interesting or a typo. 6 spd. manual again?

Ram releases its 2020 model updates, including its trucks in the medium-duty classes, officially in the fall. The 4500 Class 4 and 5500 Class 5 chassis cabs are designed to be “upfitter-friendly” and include a vehicle system interface module, or VSIM, to facilitate communication with aftermarket equipment. They’re available in 2WD or 4WD configuration with regular or crew cabs. Powerplant options begin with a 6.4L gasoline HEMI V8 with 370 hp. and 429 lbs.-ft. of torque, or a Cummins 6.7L inline 6-cyl. turbo diesel.

The Cummins engine has 320 hp. and 650 lbs.-ft. of torque; a high-output version produces 325 hp. and 750 lbs.-ft. of torque. The V8 and high-output Cummins engines are paired with an Aisin 6-speed automatic, while the normal-output Cummins 6.7L is joined by a 6-speed manual gearbox. The Ram Chassis Cab trucks are offered in Tradesman, SLT, Laramie, and Limited trim levels.
 
NIsaacs said:
This Ram review by Fleet Owner was interesting or a typo. 6 spd. manual again?

Ram releases its 2020 model updates, including its trucks in the medium-duty classes, officially in the fall. The 4500 Class 4 and 5500 Class 5 chassis cabs are designed to be “upfitter-friendly” and include a vehicle system interface module, or VSIM, to facilitate communication with aftermarket equipment. They’re available in 2WD or 4WD configuration with regular or crew cabs. Powerplant options begin with a 6.4L gasoline HEMI V8 with 370 hp. and 429 lbs.-ft. of torque, or a Cummins 6.7L inline 6-cyl. turbo diesel.

The Cummins engine has 320 hp. and 650 lbs.-ft. of torque; a high-output version produces 325 hp. and 750 lbs.-ft. of torque. The V8 and high-output Cummins engines are paired with an Aisin 6-speed automatic, while the normal-output Cummins 6.7L is joined by a 6-speed manual gearbox. The Ram Chassis Cab trucks are offered in Tradesman, SLT, Laramie, and Limited trim levels.
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That's not correct at all for the 2020 C&C. FCA's spec sheet says there is one Cummins for the 3500/4500/5500 C&C trucks rated at 360(2800)/800(1800), connected only to the Aisin AS69RC.
https://fcaus-product-media.info/resources/2020_RAM_Commercial_Chassis_Cab_SP.pdf
 
Beyond the question of "Where is my MPG" it's starting to become a question of enough traction even with a full load over the rear wheels to use all the advertised HP/TQ.
 
There is quite an array of trucks and what they are used for.
I guess the real question, does anyone here feel they need more than the current HP/Torque the Cummins.
 
Back in 2013 I contact Aisin in America spoke with someone that gain My trust as we spoke about the 69 Max Capacity, He clearly stated 1200FT LBS TQ is max running, In other words it should be capable of Running 1200FT TQ its entire avg life, My 2013 has Never been dyno MY SOP tells Me its 440-460HP at around 1200-1250FT LBS TQ MAX, its been this way since Feb of 2014 and 44K Miles almost all of that pulling.
 
The bottom end on the 5.9-6.7 Running HP is 600HP, it will stay together up to 800HP, the Top, Trans, DL and fuel needs work to make it pass 500HP Running. So IMO its No problem other than additional warranty for DL, It takes a big stick to turn that HP/TQ.
 
The HP/GCW war will not end. I for one, like it. Trucks just get bigger and better. How can you not like it? If 400/1000 is too much, don't use it or buy a gasser. At least Ram offers a choice of SO/HO. My guess is, if Ram offered the option of an L9 Cummins in the 4500/5500, they would fly off the showroom floor:D
 
NIsaacs, The 8.3 Weight 1630LBS / 6.7 1100LBS its just to big.

Let FORD have the Title because that's all it is...The FORD Diesel power plant is over engineered, and over priced, The Cummins will Kill FORD in Sales in the Future when NON-External EGR is available. I ready Have My Pen and Bank Account waiting for that Power Plant..

Both I and Eric are already making Company Changes to Bring the Hard Parts and fuel for that engine. With The EPA current position on Tuning to remove the EGR is not the direction we are taking, TC already has a good standing with the EPA and I plan on using that leverage in the Future.

Just to give a heads up Some of are Vendors require 12-14 months lead time with the $$$$$$ Paid up front, and that's Not including our finger prints...

Unless GM and FORD spent Millions$ and I mean 50 Million$+ in development Cummins is /will be the Engine for Pickups and Light trucks in the future.
 
Yep, that 500LBS is payload....Wishful thinking thou. I would like a tilt Hood on My Pickup...These 4th/5th Gen's You can remove the front fender/grill in about 45 minutes. RI in 1.5 Hrs.
 
TCDiesel said:
Yep, that 500LBS is payload....Wishful thinking thou.
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Since it has only been a few years ago, even I can remember:D all the nay sayers regarding more than 6spd autos. It is not just the trucks that are getting huge power. We had a '98 and a '05 Dodge Neon, both good cars with 2.0, 132/130 power. Our '17 Ford Escape 2.0 eco boost has 245/275 power:eek: Trust me, with a 4.58 1st gear, the power is instant, it don't appear to hold back at all.

A new Cummins with 500/1200 would be nice:p
 
The V motors make big HP just because they can wind them tighter. The long-arm design of the Cummins is not conducive to that. I would have to believe the PS is closer to the edge of its envelope at 1050 ft/lbs than the CTD. As previously mentioned, I would like to see the torque curves. The HO Cummins dyno chart I saw has a curve as flat as Kansas. The L5P chart I saw peaks early and falls sharply.
 
I would rather see FCA do better tuning on what they have. I have a 18 with 930 and when I have to get in it off the line it feels like a dog. My tuned 06 5.9 with the 700 Tow tune feels much better at getting things moving. Part of the problem is the 1-2 range of the Aisin seems really torque managed as the truck get moving pretty good once it gets to 3rd.

With that all said. Horsepower and torque are the crack for gear heads. Never get enough. ;)
 
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