Will the 2010's even make to the dealer?

[JUeckert]

I doubt they will ever be built, the Cummins engine is a work of art, but the Dodge truck is a piece of junk, I hate to say it but my guess Ford will come back strong with there new engine there going to use on the Super Duty, they really got hurt with that 6. 0 engine, I suspect they have learned, Dodge I think still hasn't got the picture.

ron, i think your wrong about dodge hasnt got the picture yet. albeit took them long enough to do it, they are introducing a heavier line of truck now[4500/5500] , gee whiz, that only took how many years compared to ford or gm? my next new truck will likely be between a 4500 dodge or a 450 ford, of course if the new ford engine dosent make a good show, my choice will defintly be the dodge. the quality of my 05 dodge is much better then the first and second gen dodges i have owned/own, but there are still some

issues i have had with this truck. gm and ford trucks have definitly treated me better over the years, all three makes of the diesel's have treated me well also. dollar for dollar, i have spent a bit more on cummins engines, not because they have been more failure prone[ my 24v was prone] but because the particular parts cost more then the ford or gm parts i had to replace. to all the folks attacking this man for his post, get a life! just because this man's opinion/experience's dont go with your way of thinking, dosent give you the right to bash him. that's just childish. .

 

[Grizzly]

My point wasn't to degrade Dodge, and glow on Ford, I now have a Dodge, not a Ford, I service this truck way beyond what most people do, it has 55000 miles, it looks like new, and drives like new. My complaint if I knew the Blend door, and related parts would fail, the U-Joints, the Ball Joints, the Tie Rod ends, bad seats, and the list goes on, I wouldn't have bought it. Dodge knows the short commings, they just would rather take a warrentee hit on a certain percentage, the engine and trans, and the rest of the driveline is great. My point is as a business, I doubt it will make it, Fiat doesn't want dodge trucks, they want a Dealer Network to market there cars, and some of the existing Chrysler products with there parts, it's that simple. The only company that has a chance of sticking it out is Ford, they were smart enough to see the train wreck 2 years ago, I hope Dodge sticks around, I like the new 2010 ! ton, but do the math, it doesn't look good, would you buy Chrysler stock, a bunch of it ?, I doubt it.

Ron, since you don't have a signature and you haven't said which truck or what year your Dodge is, I find it difficult to understand why you are having so many problems that most Dodge owners never have. Did you purchase the truck new? If you purchased it used, maybe it was mistreated by the previous owner, which could explain your problems. Was you truck built in St. Louis or Saltillo, Mexico? Dodge trucks assembled in Mexico always have fewer problems. Do you do a lot of dirt road mountain driving? Do you use it on a ranch? There has to be a reason why the truck has problems with Blend door, U-Joints, the Ball Joints, the Tie Rod ends, bad seats and on and on. It sounds like it's been abused.



If the truck was abused, a Furd or Chevy wouldn't hold up any better.

 

[RonD]

Just a quick reply. my Dodge is a 2005 SRW 3500 Laramie 4x4, I ordered it brand new, its garaged 90% of the time, no accidents, never been off road, and is not been abused, it was built in Mexico. It is bone stock, except it has 305 tires, and an Edge Easy run on #2. The first 2 years no problems, after the 36000 mile warrentee ran out the issues started. First was the Blend door, and another part of the HVAC system failed, $800 later its fire, at about 50000 miles there was a driveline noise, I guessed a U-Joint, it was the far rear one, I removed it, and replaced it with a Precision 330 greaseable one. I know that is part of the 7-70 drive line warrentee, but I didn't want a replacement of the same part, I then inspected the front U-Joint of the rear driveshaft, it was close to worn out, dry, and making black metal, so I replaced every U-Joint in the truck, all the others were still fine, but I feel better now there gone. Next it would wander, that turned out to be Ball Joints, and one tie rod end (no grease in it). I elected to replace the front steering hardware with the upgraded one's now out, then the Steering Box was very loose, it was adjusted back to spec. This truck as of today is in top condition, my *****, this stuff should happen at 125000 miles, not 40000-55000 miles. There have been a lot of these issues discussed on this site, I think the problems are over, I want to keep this truck another 5 years, it is a fantastic tow vehicle, why all this happened on my truck, I don't know.

 

[HBarlow]

ron, i think your wrong about dodge hasnt got the picture yet. albeit took them long enough to do it, they are introducing a heavier line of truck now[4500/5500] , gee whiz, that only took how many years compared to ford or gm? my next new truck will likely be between a 4500 dodge or a 450 ford, of course if the new ford engine dosent make a good show, my choice will defintly be the dodge. the quality of my 05 dodge is much better then the first and second gen dodges i have owned/own, but there are still some
issues i have had with this truck. gm and ford trucks have definitly treated me better over the years, all three makes of the diesel's have treated me well also. dollar for dollar, i have spent a bit more on cummins engines, not because they have been more failure prone[ my 24v was prone] but because the particular parts cost more then the ford or gm parts i had to replace. to all the folks attacking this man for his post, get a life! just because this man's opinion/experience's dont go with your way of thinking, dosent give you the right to bash him. that's just childish. .

If he, or you, don't want to be "bashed" as you call it, don't come on the Dodge website and tell us Dodge trucks are junk. If you prefer Fords or GMs that's your business. Go buy one.

 

[FFeiller]

my dealer has downsized to a fraction of his size a year ago, which is smart. but, he is still solid.



really like the look of the new rams.

 

[FFeiller]

i would like to believe that fiat/chrysler will merge and each benefit by the others strengths and i believe the ram is certainly one of chrysler's strengths. i'm countin on it

 

[Grizzly]

Just a quick reply. my Dodge is a 2005 SRW 3500 Laramie 4x4, I ordered it brand new, its garaged 90% of the time, no accidents, never been off road, and is not been abused, it was built in Mexico. It is bone stock, except it has 305 tires, and an Edge Easy run on #2. The first 2 years no problems, after the 36000 mile warrentee ran out the issues started. First was the Blend door, and another part of the HVAC system failed, $800 later its fire, at about 50000 miles there was a driveline noise, I guessed a U-Joint, it was the far rear one, I removed it, and replaced it with a Precision 330 greaseable one. I know that is part of the 7-70 drive line warrentee, but I didn't want a replacement of the same part, I then inspected the front U-Joint of the rear driveshaft, it was close to worn out, dry, and making black metal, so I replaced every U-Joint in the truck, all the others were still fine, but I feel better now there gone. Next it would wander, that turned out to be Ball Joints, and one tie rod end (no grease in it). I elected to replace the front steering hardware with the upgraded one's now out, then the Steering Box was very loose, it was adjusted back to spec. This truck as of today is in top condition, my *****, this stuff should happen at 125000 miles, not 40000-55000 miles. There have been a lot of these issues discussed on this site, I think the problems are over, I want to keep this truck another 5 years, it is a fantastic tow vehicle, why all this happened on my truck, I don't know.

Well Ron, I'm at a real loss. Sounds like you've done everything right and it was built in Mexico. Maybe the 305 tires and the Edge Easy could have contributed. Anytime you alter the size of tires, you effect the steering and handling characteristics of the vehicle. Your truck was designed to handle, steer and brake best with the original size tires it came with from the factory. I don't know what the Edge Easy does, nor do I know what a blend door is.



I too have an 05 3500 Quad Cab, Laramie, DRW, 4WD, which was built in Mexico with almost as many miles. My truck is 100% stock and has been on a 11K mile round trip to Alaska with my then Lance camper. I've not had one issue with it. My Mexican built 95 Dodge 4WD, 3500 DRW also made the same round trip to Alaska towing a 29' Holiday Rambler 5er and again 100% stock. After 10 year and over 100K miles I never had one issue. These trucks are well built (Mexico) and the only way you will have issues with them are if they have been abused, which yours has not, or you modify them, which I believe is called bombing.

 

['strokeThis_'07]

Every manufacturer will roll out vehicles that will have issues. Goes hand-in-hand with mass producing something. Are there design flaws? Certainly. Take the blend door. My 03 has been afflicted with this for 2 years now. Keep meaning to fix it, but forget about it in the summer since I dont use the defroster. Hopefully this year will get it fixed. So what did Dodge do? They fixed it. Ive mainly heard of this on earlier 3rd gens. Very rarely on later trucks.



The driveline vibration. Also had it on the 03. Got it replaced under warranty, and not an issue since.



Power steering pump blew up in it also. Obviously thats outsourced from another company.



All in all, I consider these minor issues. A major issue I frown upon is something like the 6. 0 Powerstroke. Both my Dodges have been excellent. Only major thing has been the automatic in the 07. Knew I was taking a chance when I bought it, but the stocker proved to be fairly stout. Far better than I was anticipating... Ive alway liked Dodges, but these 2 trucks have no doubt made a believer out of me. My experience with the newer Fords has been horrible (Ive never owned one, but know plenty who have) I dont see me buying anything but Dodge trucks in the future, have nothing but good things to say about them

 

[JUeckert]

If he, or you, don't want to be "bashed" as you call it, don't come on the Dodge website and tell us Dodge trucks are junk. If you prefer Fords or GMs that's your business. Go buy one.

my point of view on the matter, the man tried to clarify his comment in post 13, yet it made no difference. to say he was attacked, is a bit of an overstatment on my part. fact remains, no one wants to hear their truck called a piece of junk, regardless of brand. fact also remains, yes this is a dodge web site, yet there are many on here who own other brands as well. i call it like i see it, and if it makes you feel better i have had to defend my dodges when on other brands of sites as well. again i call it like i see it, if the front end on my dodge is flimsy, i dont argue with someone who has had the same issues, or issues i have witnessed others have. this same thing applies to the fords or gm's that i own. my trucks get a healthy dose off highway use, and the olders dodges with out a doubt didnt hold up as well as my gm or fords. my 05 has lived an easier life then all the rest of my trucks, yet the front springs were sagging about a year after i drove it off the lot. luckily, dodge had a recall on the springs, and all is well. just a suggestion; instead of makeing snide remarks in a case like this. why not ask question's about a person attitude toward something, or maybe even try and learn from others experiences/information. lot's of good info on this site, and a lot of folks with years of experience's with trucks and other type's of rolling stock that dosent even relate to the site directly. i would hate to think i'am paying 35. 00 dollars a year for a good thing, only to watch into turn into the same old bash fest like so many other sites i have been on.

 

[Grizzly]

Every manufacturer will roll out vehicles that will have issues. Goes hand-in-hand with mass producing something. Are there design flaws? Certainly. Take the blend door. My 03 has been afflicted with this for 2 years now. Keep meaning to fix it, but forget about it in the summer since I dont use the defroster. Hopefully this year will get it fixed. So what did Dodge do? They fixed it. Ive mainly heard of this on earlier 3rd gens. Very rarely on later trucks.



The driveline vibration. Also had it on the 03. Got it replaced under warranty, and not an issue since.



Power steering pump blew up in it also. Obviously thats outsourced from another company.



All in all, I consider these minor issues. A major issue I frown upon is something like the 6. 0 Powerstroke. Both my Dodges have been excellent. Only major thing has been the automatic in the 07. Knew I was taking a chance when I bought it, but the stocker proved to be fairly stout. Far better than I was anticipating... Ive alway liked Dodges, but these 2 trucks have no doubt made a believer out of me. My experience with the newer Fords has been horrible (Ive never owned one, but know plenty who have) I dont see me buying anything but Dodge trucks in the future, have nothing but good things to say about them

I agree, some flaws do happen. I believe they happen more to Furd than they do to Dodge however.



At the risk of sounding too naive, I still don't know what a blend door is. Blend means to mix ingredients.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

I agree, some flaws do happen. I believe they happen more to Furd than they do to Dodge however.



At the risk of sounding too naive, I still don't know what a blend door is. Blend means to mix ingredients.

It's the flapper door in the HVAC system that is adjusted as needed to mix hot/cold air for temperature control - the door has had design issues the cause it to break, and need replacement - a very nasty job...

 

[FLynes]

If you want to brag about the Ferd StupidDuty maybe you should be on the DieselStop with the rest of the Stupid Ferd owners.



TDR is a Dodge forum.

Grizzly, as a former CTD owner twice over, I remain a member of this board, because I have the intention of dropping a CTD in my F350 King Ranch, and I value the input from TDR members. I've even gotten good info from some of your posts, however your post was just plain ignorant.



How do you know about the Diesel Stop? Have you been to it? If you have, does that make you stupid? I'm stupid because I own a Ford? You know what my cirucumstances were, when I bought my truck at a DODGE dealership?



That's right, I forgot, I guess my '01 was being reliable, when the APPS crapped out on me 230 miles away from home, while I was towing our horses home, and I guess it was being reliable, when I started getting the VP death code, when I was in San Antonio.



I'm not saying that my 6. 0 has been reliable; far from it, but I've learned how to take care of it, in order to get the best performance out of it. Is it better than a Cummins? No f-ing way, which is why I want to have a CTD transplant performed.



My great-grandmother always used to say that, if you have nothing intelligent to say, don't open your mouth and show people your ignorance.



Your post makes me rethink renewing my membership. I'm here to get opinions about the CTD and give advice, based on my experiences with my '05 2500HD and my '01 3500.



By the way, if this is a Dodge forum, then why is there a Cummins conversion part to this site?

 

[HBarlow]

my point of view on the matter, the man tried to clarify his comment in post 13, yet it made no difference. to say he was attacked, is a bit of an overstatment on my part. fact remains, no one wants to hear their truck called a piece of junk, regardless of brand. fact also remains, yes this is a dodge web site, yet there are many on here who own other brands as well. i call it like i see it, and if it makes you feel better i have had to defend my dodges when on other brands of sites as well. again i call it like i see it, if the front end on my dodge is flimsy, i dont argue with someone who has had the same issues, or issues i have witnessed others have. this same thing applies to the fords or gm's that i own. my trucks get a healthy dose off highway use, and the olders dodges with out a doubt didnt hold up as well as my gm or fords. my 05 has lived an easier life then all the rest of my trucks, yet the front springs were sagging about a year after i drove it off the lot. luckily, dodge had a recall on the springs, and all is well. just a suggestion; instead of makeing snide remarks in a case like this. why not ask question's about a person attitude toward something, or maybe even try and learn from others experiences/information. lot's of good info on this site, and a lot of folks with years of experience's with trucks and other type's of rolling stock that dosent even relate to the site directly. i would hate to think i'am paying 35. 00 dollars a year for a good thing, only to watch into turn into the same old bash fest like so many other sites i have been on.

I have no argument with most of what you wrote above. I don't know anyone that has used their truck in heavy service and lots of miles that would credibly claim it was perfect, I don't think my Dodges have been perfect either, but when a guy whose name is not familiar to me, a guy who has no signature indicating if he even owns a Dodge-Cummins, comes along and opens a thread with such an outrageously inaccurate and blanket condemnation of the product as "Dodge is a piece of junk" he's not asking for understanding and agreement or technical assistance in solving a problem and is not likely to receive any help from me.

If, on the other hand he had written something like "I've had some problems with my Dodge" or "I'm disappointed in my Dodge because ... ..... " so be it, that's his report and I have no quarrel with it.

 

[JGamble]

Well gents, I dont know. I am here stuck in ole' Jacksonville NC and you barely tell that there is a recession in progress, until you drive into National Dodges and Marine Chevy's lots. Marines left and right, coming home from deployment with gobs amounts of money, buying four wheelers with gangsta rims on them , and who knows what else. Well, anyways, I drove into National Dodge yesterday to see what new and used toys they got. Well, um, they had nothing in the realms of diesel trucks. Last year, their overflow show lot was nothing but 2500 and 3500 CTD's with any option and color one could ever want. Yesterday. there was a USED 2008 sprinter with CTD. Nothing else. I asked the sales man where all the diesels went and he looked like the man who saw the hindenberg go up in flames... . I was flabbergasted. I asked why there was none here, and he said, I cant answer that at this time. The sales manager said the same..... hmmm..... well I gues this might be the end in ol swamp J-Vegas... ... .



Regards,

John

 

[Grizzly]

Grizzly, as a former CTD owner twice over, I remain a member of this board, because I have the intention of dropping a CTD in my F350 King Ranch, and I value the input from TDR members. I've even gotten good info from some of your posts, however your post was just plain ignorant.

How do you know about the Diesel Stop? Have you been to it? If you have, does that make you stupid? I'm stupid because I own a Ford? You know what my cirucumstances were, when I bought my truck at a DODGE dealership?

That's right, I forgot, I guess my '01 was being reliable, when the APPS crapped out on me 230 miles away from home, while I was towing our horses home, and I guess it was being reliable, when I started getting the VP death code, when I was in San Antonio.

I'm not saying that my 6. 0 has been reliable; far from it, but I've learned how to take care of it, in order to get the best performance out of it. Is it better than a Cummins? No f-ing way, which is why I want to have a CTD transplant performed.

My great-grandmother always used to say that, if you have nothing intelligent to say, don't open your mouth and show people your ignorance.

Your post makes me rethink renewing my membership. I'm here to get opinions about the CTD and give advice, based on my experiences with my '05 2500HD and my '01 3500.

By the way, if this is a Dodge forum, then why is there a Cummins conversion part to this site?

Ron Doupe really got under my skin with his remark about Dodge Trucks being a piece of junk. Nothing is further from the truth especially when he's praising Furd at the same time.



Prior to my 95 Dodge, I had an F250 which was a piece of junk. It was a big block gasser. At 104K miles I had to have the engine rebuilt and at 121K I blew the engine in Montana while pulling my 5er and had to have a new engine installed. At 132K I was having major engine problems and I literally gave the truck away. In the time I owned it, which I purchased new, I replaced the alternator 3 times, starter 3 times, fuel pump 3 times, power steering pump twice, all exhaust twice, AC compressor and other AC parts once, fuel tank sending units twice, brake master cylinder once, AC/heater fan motor and many many other parts. That was very typical of Ford. They were a piece of junk.



I also had a Furd Explorer 4x4, which I inherited. Same miserable experience.



As you can see I am very bitter against Furd and I make no apologies for calling a Furd a StupidDuty, but I never called anyone who owns one stupid. Then Ron Doupe is telling us, at a Dodge/Cummins website, that Dodge is a piece of junk and that Furd is so great. I exploded. Obviously Harvey did too. I love the two Dodge trucks I have had the pleasure of owning from new, which have been totally trouble free. I do realize, as stated before, that they too may develope problems as nothing is perfect or can last forever.



My wife and I own Toyota cars, which to me are the ultimate in reliability. My Dodge trucks have been just as reliable.



I do read TheDieselStop once in a while just for laughs.

 

[Grizzly]

It's the flapper door in the HVAC system that is adjusted as needed to mix hot/cold air for temperature control - the door has had design issues the cause it to break, and need replacement - a very nasty job...

Thanks Gary.

 

[dieselpowered]

I also had a Furd Explorer 4x4, which I inherited. Same miserable experience

You mean Furd Exploder , lol

 

[Deleted member 995608]

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WOW! I'll I wanted was a few opinions as to whether or not we'll ever see the 2010 hit the showroom floor.

 

[JUeckert]

mr. harvey,i respect you view completly. i can also see where a completed sig could clear the water also, thats something i need to work on myself. grizzly, your ford experience reminds me of a 1/2 ton dodge i had years ago, the truck was strictly for commuteing and such, didnt even have a hitch on it. long story short, it was one of the worst vehicle's i ever owned. i didnt however write off the chrysler corp after my experience with that vehicle. same could be said about the 90 model i have thats had every driveline componet replaced on it, except the cummins engine. that same truck has seen several other parts like the steering collum , 2 alt's, 2 door motors, 2 a/c compressors, front end, radiator, door hinge ripping out the door,heater core, cab rotting out at the roof line[ how the hell does that happen?] all with less then 130k on the ticker. it is the worst vehicle i have owned, and i only keep it for a mule, and because 1 of my machines may need the engine someday. i had another 90 model that i sold to a friend last year, it had close to 150k on it . this one suffered many of the same issue's, but not all of them. my 91. 5, here again, some of the same issues but with over 200k on it, and so far it's been a bit better then the 90 model i sold. every brand has had it's good model's and bad ones, in the end we take our chances with any of them. .

 

[JUeckert]

to answer your question mr. hawes. i honestly believe the 2010's will make it to the lot's. havent kept much in tune with the 1/2 ton diesel, but i feel if any vehicles are axed, it will be these. ford put their's off a little longer, heard gm dropped their's for now, so we will see if dodge follow's suit. .