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Will the 2017 Ram match the 2017 Ford PowerStroke Power ratings?

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Whitewolf, my dad worked at the E Peoria proving grounds for 35 years. He could eaaily describe why Car was better than the competition. Everyone thought Japan made a better product. Not so! Well, maybe the Aisin is better, but their engines (Komatsu and others) were/are not. The I6 design is superior and Cummins build is proven

Nothing away from CAT... BUT Komatsu has been known to use Cummins power. We have a few WA380's and guess what? They have '03-'07 style 5.9's. Great machines.

Has anyone actually had their hands on a '17 SD? We got a '17 F250 just in, and I am NOT impressed with the body and bed- very flimsy! I think it's all aluminum. I hope Ram won't follow with the next gen. The diet is on, fellas.
 
Cummins has already announced the new B-series engine - it's coming. New emissions standards go into effect for January 1 2017, which is why you also see revised Powerstroke and Duramax engines. But you have to understand one loophole that EPA allows for meeting emissions. If the engine build date is before an emissions change, a vehicle manufacturer can still use the engine after the new emission-regs date. In other words, FCA can continue to build Rams with the current (2013-emissions) engine as long as the engines are built no later than December 31 2016. As long as FCA has sufficient stock of those engines, they can keep using them... and FCA may have very well requested a stockpile from Cummins to complete the 2017 model run. But at some point next year, FCA will begin to install the new 2017-spec B6.7 (no longer ISB6.7).

The question isn't really about a new engine. Ford and GM offer the same maximum hp/tq rating over all their HD pickups... F-250 through F-450 get the same 440/925 Powerstroke, 2500-3500 GM trucks get the same 445/915 rating. FCA of course has three ratings based on transmission and the max rating is only available with an optional transmission and only on the 3500. They need to do something about that or risk sales, particularly in the 3/4-ton market... if the 68RFE is the best Ram is willing to offer in the 2500 and remains limited to 800 lb-ft, people who want power will go to the other guys. And no one wants additional torque management to choke off the drivetrain just for bragging rights of engine numbers. Cummins would probably say "Yeah, we can do 950 - do you have a transmission that can properly handle it?"


More power in a 2500 series truck is strictly a ego issues. SNOKING
 
Do you think we'll see the new engine as a 2017.5 or 2018?

Depends on what transmissions FCA can get and when. If they're looking at 7-speed Eaton/Fuller manuals to replace the G56, and a single automatic that can handle 900+ lb-ft, that will be the way to go, but there have been no rumors about changing the gearboxes. My best guess would be a 17.5, but possibly not until February or March.
 
More power in a 2500 series truck is strictly a ego issues. SNOKING

I agree. A lot of people that own 3/4 tons never even use the truck as designed. They make bro dozers out of them, complete with led light bars, white powder coated wheels, and brag at the fueling station they they get 29 mpg.
 
I agree. A lot of people that own 3/4 tons never even use the truck as designed. They make bro dozers out of them, complete with led light bars, white powder coated wheels, and brag at the fueling station they they get 29 mpg.

Actual RAM is smarter in their approach, as you can get into a lower HP 2500 for a much larger delta in price difference against the Aisin/3500 vs GM's and Ford's which have a narrow separation of price between the 250/2500 vs 350/3500.
 
It is ego. I do drive current Ford 6.7 F250's for work and they are ridiculously fast. Way faster than any pick up should be.
 
It is ego. I do drive current Ford 6.7 F250's for work and they are ridiculously fast. Way faster than any pick up should be.



I haven't driven the power stroke scorpion. But watching them come off the line from a start, they seem to make a lot of turbo noise before they even start to move.
"I agree. A lot of people that own 3/4 tons never even use the truck as designed. They make bro dozers out of them, complete with led light bars, white powder coated wheels, and brag at the fueling station they they get 29 mpg."

I originally thought i would tow more with my 2500. But when a travel trailer we rented started falling apart as we were camping and towing, (it had significant dry rot)), my wife has said "no more towing". My truck appears completely stock except i put in some sulastic shackles, a block heater cord, a BD Throttle Booster, and a gooseneck hitch which has 500 towing miles on it. Nothing powdercoated no extra chrome. All stock lights.
 
I haven't driven the power stroke scorpion. But watching them come off the line from a start, they seem to make a lot of turbo noise before they even start to move.

Believe me, with the traction off, it'll leave rubber for as long as you care to have a foot in it- it'll just keep throwing gears. My point is, it's getting off base for what a truck is for. And they really ride terribly.
 
Believe me, with the traction off, it'll leave rubber for as long as you care to have a foot in it- it'll just keep throwing gears. My point is, it's getting off base for what a truck is for. And they really ride terribly.

Yet all require air bags if you are going to load them up. So what is with that? SNOKING
 
Actual RAM is smarter in their approach, as you can get into a lower HP 2500 for a much larger delta in price difference against the Aisin/3500 vs GM's and Ford's which have a narrow separation of price between the 250/2500 vs 350/3500.

Agreed, but I was more or less making fun of forum B. A lot of those guys buy, sell or trade their truck because they don't have the newest, fastest brand.
 
One reason i had for getting a Ram 2500 was that people were repeatedly running into me from behind. Had it happen on the freeway going 55 mph and at stop signs/stop lights. And i'm the kind of driver that coasts to stops with light brake application/bever slammimg on the brakes unless necessary. They see the chrome om the Ram much better than they saw the black bumpees on the 4 banger i used to drive. I discovered when a 4 banger gets hit by a 6 cylinder car, the 4 banger loses. Now i drive an i 6. Lol
 
One reason i had for getting a Ram 2500 was that people were repeatedly running into me from behind. Had it happen on the freeway going 55 mph and at stop signs/stop lights. And i'm the kind of driver that coasts to stops with light brake application/bever slammimg on the brakes unless necessary. They see the chrome om the Ram much better than they saw the black bumpees on the 4 banger i used to drive. I discovered when a 4 banger gets hit by a 6 cylinder car, the 4 banger loses. Now i drive an i 6. Lol

I often wonder why they do not make the exhaust brake turn on the brake lights? When traveling with friends I warn them that my rig will slow without the brake lights coming on, so do not tailgate.
 
I have wondered the same. I'm always warching in the mirror and tap the brakes occasionally as a warning. Too many people texting and driving.
 
I often wonder why they do not make the exhaust brake turn on the brake lights? When traveling with friends I warn them that my rig will slow without the brake lights coming on, so do not tailgate.

I believe there are different requirements and philosophies but don't know the current standards. I've driven electric cars with significant regen that slow down better than any old high-compression carbureted V-8 and don't show brake lights, and I've driven motorhomes that run the brake lights when the exhaust brake is on. That became a problem at the end of a long descent where the brake lights were on all the way down the hill at a steady 55-58 mph, then traffic stopped at the bottom of the hill and you don't see much nose-dive on a 36-foot coach from behind and the brake lights are just the same. I think BMW's approach that shows more brake light the harder the braking is a good idea.
 
Some transit express coaches (NJ Transit for sure) have exhaust brakes, and there are amber flashing lights up high in back that go on decel. Independent from brake lamps.
 
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