XX fuel filtration system

[FParisi]

Thanks! Got it. Looks like a nice clean install.

 

[AH64ID]

They look like a great system. I designed my filtration setup before these guys released their setup and mine is very similar. I have the f/w sep under the frame and the 2um under the hood. I have asked them what Donaldson filters they use and they won't tell me. . I don't like that at all, why be so secretive. .

Look at the link in my sig for my install.

I too have read the posts on the Cat 2um filters... but based on the "new" standard nothing is 2um... When my supply of Cat's runs out I'll probably get the donaldson P551313, only because I can get it cheaper.

Also the Baldwin BF1212 is rated better at f/w separation than the Fleetguard FS1212.

 

[morbius]

I was working on a bracket similar to your with some additions till I ran into XX ..... at that point it was just easier to purchase it than continue. I did not like either secret stunt either, just gains nothing and in my personal opinion, does not to prompt the company. Anyway, info is out for all, so people can make choice.



When my stock of cat filters run out, going to Donaldson also, however in my area, they more expensive than cats.



Thanks for the info on Baldwins, will look into it. Have to find a good priced source online that has all these filter types available next. Local semi store only stock partials.



Cheers.

 

[morbius]

Just installed replacement gauge to show pressure at the CP3 pump after 4 filters ... .

So here the pic at idle:
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The gauge is 0 (zero) to 15 PSI, its an oil filled mechanical gauge and at idle all the way to 3000 rpm, its reads a good steady 11 PSI.

This reading is based with big line kit installed, 4 filters ranging from 20 microns down to 2 micron and stock pump setup.

Cheers.

 

[swhalen]

Hi All:

I have been following these threads dealing with additional filtration to try to make an informed decision as to which product to go with. Does anyone know the difference between the XX and the GDP big line kit? It looks like the XX system mounts behind the transfer case, while the big line kit mounts in the engine bay on the intake. Is this correct, and are there other considerations?

TIA, Steve Whalen

 

[morbius]

Steve,



Maybe I can help since I have both. The GDP big line kit mounts as said but also comes with the parts to help remove the restriction that exists between the stock filter and CP3 pump. The GDP kit addresses better filtering to the CP3 pump, nothing else. The XX kit mounts also where you mentioned and does not address the restriction that exists that GDP does. The XX kit addresses better filtering and water separation. If you want to deal with restriction, kits are available to deal with that separately.



In the end its all about what you want for truck. I was after a much better staged water separation for bio mix and better filtration to protect the pump and injectors so this worked out the best for me.



I think the two kits combined is a real winner and gets the best of all worlds and the best protection if the rights filters are used in the right order. I have heard many bad stories from various people that Dodge would not pay for damages due to bad fuel and bills over 5K easily.



Hope that helps somewhat



Cheers.

 

[swhalen]

Morbius:

Thanks for the reply. After reading about bad fuel and injector issues, my biggest concern is to avoid taking out a second mortgage for a set of injectors. I run straight dinodiesel, no bio or mix. I like the engine bay location, so have pretty much decided to start with the Dynomite product/CAT filter. I may copy your setup later. Impressive that you still get 11 psi after passing thru 4 filters!

Regards, Steve Whalen

 

[cycletech]

I have installed my dual filtration system, do you think I need to remove the factory filter from the housing, i am running the stock in-tank pump?

 

[AH64ID]

I have installed my dual filtration system, do you think I need to remove the factory filter from the housing, i am running the stock in-tank pump?

Leave it. . more filters is good... I have the stock in-tank with 3 filters.

 

[morbius]

Leave it. Basically it will not do much since you have a Donaldson 2 micron filter running on the xx kit and the factory filter is after that. Leave the factory filter canister void of a filter is not a good. Put in a fresh filter and it will never see anything unless other filter fail.



As you can see in my last post, 4 filter, stock pump, and still pushing 11 psi at the CP3 pump.

 

[TCDiesel]

All the the filters the are popular will NOT stop contamination in some cases,They all have bypass valves install,So if the filter gets plugged it just engages,This is to meet the requirements for Internal combustion certification . He's a link I spoke to the owner Bad fuel, insurance, and new trucks. Help me decide - Competition Diesel. Com - Bringing The BEST Together Post #10. If you purchase a filter (quality) that is NOT CERTIFIED the worse case scenario it will stall and need replacement. All the quality filters I have used always dropped the Pressure, and when they start to Plugged the pressure will drop considerably

 

[cycletech]

i think i will order the big line filter kit next to get rid of stock assembly and have the line to cp3. .

 

[morbius]

To take what TWest mentioned a little further and maybe help explain things to other not familiar with all this .....



If anyone thinks that all these filters will stop everything, it will not but the odds are much better than a single unit. Installing two filter does mean two of the same purpose, just means two ..... Just added one for water separation, and one for particulate filtering. Add a second filter for particulate, then you have two filters doing the same function, one protecting the other .....



This is why you stage your filtering, this why on large vehicle you see so many. If the first plugs up for what ever reason and goes into bypass mode, then the next catches it and so on ..... Staged filtering does not stop everything but the assurances that the last filter will stop the contamination its designed for while everything else fails is much higher than a single filter will ever achieve. You will never achieve 100%, but you will approach 99% if done right. So single filter is 50% chance, goto to two (of the same purpose), you go to something like 70%, goto to three of the same purpose, you can go to 90%, etc (numbers are not exact but get the idea, wife screaming at me to go so have to rush ).



Using my setup as an example:



I have 3 water separation filters (one serving dual purpose), in a staged level (20 microns down to 10). Two can fail and I still have some level of protection vs one only and not that good to begin with.



I have three particulate filters (one serving dual purpose), in the same staged level (10 microns down to 2). Two can fail and still have a good filtration level better than factory.



Hope that helps explain why so many filters and the reasoning behind it. Can explain more later tonight if it helps. I know others here can also



Cheers all.

 

[AH64ID]

All the the filters the are popular will NOT stop contamination in some cases,They all have bypass valves install,So if the filter gets plugged it just engages,

Do you have any pics, or other data to support this? I have always understood oil filters to bypass, but never fuel filters. I know the OE canister won't bypass at least.

Plugged fuel filters are common, and are generally the first place people look when a lack of performance occurs. If filters bypassed this wouldn't happen.

 

[TCDiesel]

Do you have any pics, or other data to support this? I have always understood oil filters to bypass, but never fuel filters. I know the OE canister won't bypass at least.



Plugged fuel filters are common, and are generally the first place people look when a lack of performance occurs. If filters bypassed this wouldn't happen.

The Link I posted, the Owner had 19% water Tested at two different facilities, He had the Airdog 2mic filters, if those filter can't stop 19% water then what are they?M1 and AH6, it would be next to impossible for any type of contamination to get by your setups. It's those aftermarket deceiver's that are getting My attention I have challenge them on More then 1 occasion, And none have taken up the offer.

 

[morbius]

Not all filters have bypass springs ... . Attached is a Cat filter that some of us use cut open. As you can see, no bypass spring so there is no bypassing. I do know some fuel filter have have bypass and so do some coolant filters. All depends on the specs and manufacturer.



The article posted talks about airdog filter/pump setup and does not mention if they are running airdog filters. I do remember seeing one cross sectioned a long time ago and it was spring loaded at that time (bypass). I do know some of the napa replacements for airdog have bypasses. Need more information before coming to a conclusion.



Again, I get back to staged filtering. Odds of two filter failing at the same time especially from two different manufacturers, slim

 

[Newt]

Every added filter/device lowers fuel pressure. How much can the stock lift pump handle?

Newt

 

[morbius]

look here ..... https://www.turbodieselregister.com...-xx-fuel-filtration-system-2.html#post2151660

 

[Newt]

look here ..... https://www.turbodieselregister.com...-xx-fuel-filtration-system-2.html#post2151660

That's all well and good. But, what is the pressure going up a 6% grade towing 13,000#?



Newt

 

[morbius]

Sorry, I currently would not be able to answer that yet on my setup. Mechanical gauges are a bit hard to read under the hood or under the frame while driving. My gauge setup is for quick tests and to make sure I know what the electrical gauge should see, I have not put together yet the correct setup for dash monitoring. That is coming next.