XX fuel filtration system

[AH64ID]

The Link I posted, the Owner had 19% water Tested at two different facilities, He had the Airdog 2mic filters, if those filter can't stop 19% water then what are they?M1 and AH6, it would be next to impossible for any type of contamination to get by your setups. It's those aftermarket deceiver's that are getting My attention I have challenge them on More then 1 occasion, And none have taken up the offer.

The AD is not the end-all be all filtration system that people want you to beleive. First its not a 2um filter, its a 5um filter. The f/w separation rating on the AD filter is 50% free water and 0% emulsifed water... In short the Baldwin PF7977 in the OE cansiter is a better overall filter than the 2 AD filters combined!



When AD is confronted about worse overall filtration about stock, their comment is "we haven't heard of any issues". . So it seems we get the same results with the companies... Bottom line is, know the specs of the filters on your truck. . don't just assume they are good.



FASS is no better. . except the Platinum.

That's all well and good. But, what is the pressure going up a 6% grade towing 13,000#?



Newt

I have 3 filter and the stock LP. I haven't ever seen below 5psi WOT (good filters), and less than 6psi towing up some steep grades at 90% throttle... The stock pump is good for about +100hp over stock and keeping 3+ psi.

 

[TCDiesel]

My Dual factory Lift With the Bypass used for filtering with 1 Zinga AZL-03 drops to 5PSI ,when I flip the switch to Both Pumps it hangs steady at 9psi,When I run any other filters Including CAT (I get them Free) the pressure drops 1 or 2Psi. I have 3 Pressure gages. In fact I rarely rum My Bypass system to to Having the Auxiliary Tank having the AZL-03 filter. I run 27/29K often (Testing our NEW Constant Pressure relief Valve). I run the Sensors from Bosch that are good to run 30k and Read up to 36K. NO CR rail has seen this type of consistent running,I still have My factory Injectors with 117K,This truck Runs 450hp on daily basis. Most CAT filters DO NOT have bypass valve do to being NOT certified for on road use. Who cares about on road certification?If you cannot tell when losing power BC of possible filter plugging? you should not be on the HWYs of America anyways. Don't drop yourself down to these stupid consumer Mags or Marketing,O you don't need to do this or that. I hear every day,YEP you don't need to do it,But when it fails,WHO do you blame?

 

[morbius]

The problem I see here is comments are being made on things without fair comparison. Typical apples to orange thing and tossing out "certification standards" words with no data to base it on. As an engineer, that is a hot button for me. I am going to back off and leave it up to others to make their own decisions. My goal was to help, so what I did and how its working for me based on the original question ask. For what I do, how we use our truck, for the year and setup it came with, and the specs of my CP3 pump, this filtration setup works for us. I made it very clear, I am only using their bracket and the filters are of my choosing and in the order I wanted.



I can not stress how important it is to know your setup, research your wants and understand what you are going to do and how it impacts your setup.



I agree, marketing literature is questionable, its up to the consumer to do proper research and become well informed before making their decision. XX labels the Donaldson P550847 filter as a 8 micron, Donaldson own website and literature shows the filter to be 10 micron at 99%. To me and knowing the measurement specs changed, looks like xx is using the old spec test (which looks better), and Donaldson site to be the new spec test. Which one is right ? If you are going to compare, you need to compare correctly all the way through ... .



I apologize if my posting on this thread ruffled feathers and it looks like a few are getting ruffled, it was not my intention.



Cheers.

 

[TCDiesel]

No ,You are Not Raffling any feather, Never Have you Been un-kind to Me. I can see You are dedicated to helping others. My resources reach with 30 years of diesel experience and connections that I will not disclose. My results are simple and unconnected with the worlds so call Knowledge. What motivates most of the worlds knowledge? Its In most cases contaminated with the quest for $$$$. Every Company that I know of that has switch there Auxiliary/Fill tanks over to Zinga have eliminate most of there Injection Problems. The Only compliant I have heard was changing the filter 3-4 times more often.

I know what may have Happen to the Owners truck that I posted,I ask him if it rain heavily just before filling (48)hrs. He said Yes,and he has been filling his company truck(s) at this station for Years and does 7/8k monthly. Here's what I think Happen, The station Pot's were flooded, the fill risers could not evac the the the Pressure and the tank was flooded,The Water pooled and when this owner started to fill,He found the Pooled water and mixed it while Pumping. Correct filters at the Pump what have stop this, But do due NO or Poor Regulations on filtered Pumping, the Cheap filter(s) did not stop the Water. Most Station do NOT spend the extra $ for proper filtration.



Key stokes are not My best way of communicating, I may come of as harsh, but that's not the Case, I invite anyone who has a free moment to call Me By Phone. Best times to reach Me via Phone Is evenings and weekends,During the day I have to at times set the phone down and Makes some $

 

[FParisi]

I continue to follow this + keep learning. Thanks to all esp Morbius for the detailed photos + filter info.

I started looking at more filtering after reading Wygate's thread. Is it right that the OEM filter will not bypass if it clogs with crud but will basically overflow with water if there is too much?

The OEM severe duty system provides a 2nd WIF alarm but uses the same dash light. A totally separate system might be good. Anyone done that? Or set up a drain or WIF alarm in the tank for gross contamination?

 

[cycletech]

how often do/ r u suppose to drain water separator. everyday/ once a week? or when light that doesnt even work?

 

[FParisi]

With my old truck I always did it with oil changes every 3,000 - 4,000 mi.

With longer oil intervals I'll probably stick to the 3-4,000. I've never seen the WIF light up except with start-up... yet.

 

[AH64ID]

how often do/ r u suppose to drain water separator. everyday/ once a week? or when light that doesnt even work?

Based on my experiances with where I fuel I drain my pair of seps every 5K miles. . When traveling I check it about every 1K miles.



The manual says every fill-up.

No ,You are Not Raffling any feather, Never Have you Been un-kind to Me. I can see You are dedicated to helping others. My resources reach with 30 years of diesel experience and connections that I will not disclose. My results are simple and unconnected with the worlds so call Knowledge. What motivates most of the worlds knowledge? Its In most cases contaminated with the quest for $$$$. Every Company that I know of that has switch there Auxiliary/Fill tanks over to Zinga have eliminate most of there Injection Problems. The Only compliant I have heard was changing the filter 3-4 times more often.

I know what may have Happen to the Owners truck that I posted,I ask him if it rain heavily just before filling (48)hrs. He said Yes,and he has been filling his company truck(s) at this station for Years and does 7/8k monthly. Here's what I think Happen, The station Pot's were flooded, the fill risers could not evac the the the Pressure and the tank was flooded,The Water pooled and when this owner started to fill,He found the Pooled water and mixed it while Pumping. Correct filters at the Pump what have stop this, But do due NO or Poor Regulations on filtered Pumping, the Cheap filter(s) did not stop the Water. Most Station do NOT spend the extra $ for proper filtration.



Key stokes are not My best way of communicating, I may come of as harsh, but that's not the Case, I invite anyone who has a free moment to call Me By Phone. Best times to reach Me via Phone Is evenings and weekends,During the day I have to at times set the phone down and Makes some $

I always learn something from your posts. . and hope that my key strokes aren't ever offensive, as that not the intent.

 

[morbius]

Twest, thank you for honesty ! Sometimes I feel like I getting pushy or aggressive in trying to explain things. Forum post like email are subject to interpretation and its hard to gauge how people feel. I also can explain things much better by voice vs writing.

 

[TCDiesel]

I cannot see why this site does not have twice the membership,I rarely see cheering leading Here, and it has the most knowledgeable Members on the Net,The COMPD for racing. The rest I just look through, and may post occasionally.

 

[firemansdiesel]

So for my own piece of mind, I bought the GDP 2 micron Big Line Kit, but went w/ the CAT 1749 filter instead of the Fleetguard filter that came w/ it. After reading that the Fleetguard is actually a 5 micron and the CAT is a 2 micron. Is the CAT filter the way to go or is there another that is better at filtering?



My 2009 6. 7 has the new 5 micron filter in the stock housing running to the CAT 2 micron filter to the CP3 w/ the big line kit. While I feel, I did some research before I bought, I would like to know the CAT filter is doing what it's intended as advertised/published.

 

[AH64ID]

I run the cat for its rating. Either the Cat or the Donaldson cross are the best filters to run.

 

[LBARTLETT]

I bought a very low mileage 06' (5,675 miles) and now am nearing 15,000 miles, I've been getting the fuel filter changed every oil change (5k miles and when I picked the truck up)



the dealership says they are using the new filter which is 7 micron



I did a search after seeing xx-fuel's ad in the TDR and found this thread



for a simple minded non-mechanic like me should I go with the xx-fuel system, the

In short the Baldwin PF7977 in the OE cansiter is a better overall filter than the 2 AD filters combined!

or both



I will do one or the other or both but I will stop there



thanks for your input

 

[AH64ID]

I am running a setup very similar to the XX with the PF7977, I doubt there is a truck with cleaner fuel.

 

[LBARTLETT]

thanks AH64ID, I think that's what I'll do